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05-15-2005, 11:19 AM
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Lightning Memorial Cup Thread

I figured with four prospects in the dance representing all three junior leagues we needed a special thread to post schedules and game results for the Memorial Cup.

For those of you who aren't Lightning fans just visiting the board, the Lightning have four prospects in the tournament...

Representing the QMJHL champion Rimouski Oceanic will be C/LW Zbynek Hrdel (9th round 2003) and LW Mark Tobin (2nd round 2004).

Representing the OHL champion London Knights will be G Gerald Coleman (7th round 2003).

And finally, representing the WHL champion and defending Memorial Cup champion Kelowna Rockets will be LW Justin Keller (8th round 2004).

It's a nice feather in the Lightning's cap to have players on all three league champions. I'm not sure any other team in the league can make that claim about their prospects.

Anyway, the Memorial Cup begins May 21st. I can't pick a dog in this fight because I want to show impartiality to all our prospects. Who are you rooting for?

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I'm torn between the Oceanic and the Knights. Mainly because the Crosby hype will only get more insane if Rimouski wins, even though I like them more between the two teams. I guess I shouldn't let the hype get to me though. I think most Lightning fans (knowledgeable ones anyway) will always have some kind of attachment to Rimouski. But hey as long as one of the Bolts properties wins it's all good.

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A little more on our MemCup prospects:

Mark Tobin, Rimouski (LW)
Drafted 2nd Round in 2004
6'3" 211
RS: 68 GP, 22-28-50, 107 PIM, -1
PO: 13 GP, 6-3-9, 23 PIM, +7
*9th on team in total points for both RS and PO.
*Scored in all 4 games of Rimouski's sweep of Halifax in the Q Finals.
*Primarily plays on 2nd or 3rd line and does grinder work on the PP.
*2-way player who does most of the dirty work for his line.
*RS +/- terrible compared to Crosby's +78

Zbynek Hrdel, Rimouski (LW/C)
Drafted 9th Round in 2003
6'4" 197
RS: 56 GP, 23-35-58, 47 PIM, +25
PO: 13 GP, 8-7-15, 10 PIM, +7
*6th on team in RS and PO scoring
*Primarily plays on 2nd line. Occassionally gets some time with Crosby. Gets more time with Tobin. He plays SH and the PP. He's been used at the point on the PP.
*Feaster likes his skill and pointed him out as a possible future signee due to our farm's need for more skill players. Could be in ECHL next year.
*A Jake Goertzen project

Gerald Coleman, London (G)
Drafted 7th round in 2003
6'4" 205
RS: 32-2-2, 1.70 GAA, .941 sv%, 8 Shutouts
PO: 7-1, 1.71 GAA, .935 sv%, 0 Shutouts
*Primarily London's 1-A of goaltending tandem throughout the regular season.
*Lost his "first start" role in the tandem after a loss to Kitchener in the OHL playoffs in which he was named the game's 3rd Star.
*Regained starting role after Adam Dennis lost a game and was pulled from another in the OHL Finals to Ottawa.
*Set OHL record for GAA this season. Led the league in virtually every category.
*3rd in voting for OHL Goaltender of the Year
*Pending a new CBA, could be a possible signee for the ECHL. The question with Coleman is how much was the team in front of him, and how much was Coleman. On the plus side, he's a smart GT, and is a battler with good mental makeup. Knows how to win.
*Despite numbers, not considered an elite prospect.

Justin Keller, Kelowna (LW)
Drafted 8th Round in 2004
5'11" 185
RS: 72 GP, 31-22-53, 103 PIM, +14
PO: 23 GP, 12-10-22, 44 PIM, +10
*Led Kelowna in goals and points during playoffs; 2nd on team during RS in points, first in goals.
*16 RS PP goals, 7 PO PP goals (both led team)
*Primarily plays on first line
*Most draft services projected Keller to be taken earlier than the 8th round (as high as 4th or 5th round)
*One of the few skill prospects on the Lightning farm.
*Scored the MemCup winning goal in last year's Finals.
*3rd in WHL in goals for POs, 13th in WHL in goals for RS.
*Slumped after scroring at a torrid pace the first two rounds of the WHL playoffs. Got back on track in Finals vs. Brandon.
*Chippy and gritty for his size, as evidenced by his PIMs.
*Is the Lightning Farm's version of Reggie Jackson. He comes alive during the playoffs.


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I guess that makes Keller "Mr. May". Wait a sec; I thought that was Dave Winfield.

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Keller is their Rusty Fedotenko in the playoffs.

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Dennis only lost one of those games. Coleman won the other in relief.

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Dennis only lost one of those games. Coleman won the other in relief.
Should've checked it to make sure.

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Even the bottom feeders on AOL appreciated your post Chad, although with their Kool Aid sipping pro-Coleman fanaticism you might want to watch out for a mail bomb for not calling him an elite prospect.

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Wait a second, Coleman isn't an elite prospect?

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Wait a second, Coleman isn't an elite prospect?
Not in some people's minds......

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Not in some people's minds......
Yeah, lots of people. Lots of hockey people. Knowledgable hockey people. Like the GM and coach of his own team, who only let him share the load last season and then went out and acquired Dennis this year because they weren't confident Gerald could carry them through the post-season. Like the GM and coach of Team USA, who left him off the WJC roster. Like the OHL management who left him off the league's All-Star roster despite his league-leading numbers. Like the 29 NHL GMs who passed on him for 223 picks until the Lightning rolled the dice in the 7th round.

And like those of us who've seen him play in person and weren't terribly impressed.

One season backstopping an elite team does not an elite prospect make.

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I never said Coleman was an elite prospect nor did I say that above. I was just replying to the question that was asked. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But that doesn't mean we all have to agree. Sorry if my shoulder shirking indicated otherwise.


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In my books Coleman is about where Eklund was at this stage... except X is a little more athletically gifted IMO. I'd love to find a spot in the organization where Coleman could take the time he needs to develop properly, but anyone who tells you he's one of the best prospects in the organization is really blowing smoke. He's a longer term project.

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http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/Jun...0/1048808.html

London won't get any depth on the blueline back for the tourney.

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Here is the schedule. It all begins tonight with the one everyone's been waiting for:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/Jun..._schedule.html

2005 Memorial Cup Schedule

Saturday, May 21
Rimouski vs. London, 7 p.m.

Sunday, May 22
Ottawa vs. Kelowna, 4 p.m.

Monday, May 23
London vs. Kelowna, 7 p.m.

Tuesday, May 24
Ottawa vs. Rimouski, 7 p.m.

Wednesday, May 25
Kelowna vs. Rimouski, 7 p.m.

Thursday, May 26
London vs. Ottawa, 7 p.m.

Friday, May 27
Tiebreaker (if necessary), 4 p.m.

Saturday, May 28
Semifinal
Second place vs. Third place, 7 p.m.

Sunday, May 29
Championship
First place vs. Semifinal winner, 4:30 p.m.

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I never said Coleman was an elite prospect nor did I say that above. I was just replying to the question that was asked. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But that doesn't mean we all have to agree. Sorry if my shoulder shirking indicated otherwise.
Just trying to clarify for TB_FAN, who apparently hasn't been paying attention for a while.

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Dennis got the start... and allowed three goals on his first six shots against before settling down. At one time in the late 2nd the shots were London 26, Rimouski 6, with Rimouski leading 3-2.

Now 3-3 in the mid-third.

Tobin getting involved physically. Hrdel on his line; just interfered with Dennis with no call.

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A dominant London team wins 4-3 in OT.

Tobin -1, Hrdel -3 (on ice for OT winner).


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I don't know if you'd call that an outright vote of no confidence in Coleman, but it seems pretty clear that Hunter's going to ride Dennis in the big games. I suspect they'll give Coleman Ottawa to play with... but this was the biggest game in junior hockey this year and Hunter felt more comfortable with a gimpy groined Dennis coming off of a couple of bad games even after he fell behind 3-1 on 6 shots faced than he did starting Coleman.

Welcome to the big time Hrdel and Tobin... London has two lines filled with future NHLers. They just got a taste of what awaits them at the next level.

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Welcome to the big time Hrdel and Tobin... London has two lines filled with future NHLers. They just got a taste of what awaits them at the next level.
Did they ever.

I'm going off the last two periods of the Knights broadcast, but every time one of them (they were on the 2nd line) tried to carry the puck they were quickly separated from it. Hrdel got off a couple of quick shot - but from what I heard, neither one was able to hold it for any amount of time. As I mentioned, Tobin was throwing his weight around a little and got into a couple of shoving matches.

Desjardin was fantastic for Rimouski in net. He was bombarded and was coming up with saves the Knights announcers refered to as spectacular. Dennis, on the other hand, only had one save in that category. London was on Rimouski every time they rushed the puck. They never had the time to set up - aside from the PP (2 goals). They probably should have had more PPs, but apparently there were a lot of no calls that had ol' Doris up in arms on the Oceanic bench.

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Did they ever.
Kind of confirms some of the things I've thought about Hrdel... Zbynek does a lot of his damage on the power play where he has space and time. He's going to have to learn to fight through checks at the next level to be effective. Even bigger guys in our organization like Henrich have struggled with that... so we'll see what happens when Hrdel has a guy in his grill every time he touches the puck next season with Springfield.

Tobin, on the other hand, gets to play for a gutted Rimouski team sans Crosby, Pouliot, Roussin, Hrdel, Coulombe, Scalzo Jr. etc next season... at least until December/January where they deal him off for picks/youth. Just my guess. Life will suck for him if he stays there.

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From HF's Memorial Cup preview:

The second line features Mark Tobin (TB), Danny Stewart (MTL) and Zbynek Hrdel (TB). They had 50, 52, and 58 regular season points respectively and 9, 14, and 15 playoff points. Tobin has been described as a wrecking ball, hitting everything in sight and hitting them hard. He is a tireless worker and a big catalyst for Rimouski success. Standing in at 63 and 211 pounds he will give opposing defensemen a lot to worry about and with the top defenders likely matched up against the first line, it will be the job of the second line to create some momentum and chip in with some key goals. Hrdel at 64 and 197 pounds also brings size to this line.

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Ottawa and Kelowna going to a 2nd OT.

Keller has 4 of 8 Rocket PIM and a primary assist. He is Even.

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5 on 3 in double OT for Ott. Shades of TB-WSH.

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Ottawa-3
Kelowna-2 (2OT)

For those who were wondering.

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