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10-18-2011, 02:27 PM
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lol. you guys are missing my point. I love Nash. I just want him to put in a little more effort. im not blaming him for the suckery these days. I just do not like that no one ever puts any blame on him. I do not care how many goals he has. im just saying that he could almost double that with a little more effort.
im predicting a 4-1 win for the jackets.
I agree with Hooks. Nash is an awesome player, any team would love to have him. However, if you wear the "C" for a team you need to do whatever it takes to lead the team. The cbj need him to come out with a physical presence, even if it is outside his comfort zone. Come on Rick!! Throw that big body around like you did in the olympics, drop your gloves and kick the **** out of Ott or Morrow tonight (well at least give it a shot). The players and fans will respect and appreciate you whether you win or lose the fight. Who knows you may actually provide some energy and spark for a team that desperately needs it, enough to even win a game. Thats what a Captain should do!

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10-18-2011, 02:29 PM
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lol. you guys are missing my point.
Oh they get your point. This is about the 86th time it's been discussed.

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I agree with Hooks. Nash is an awesome player, any team would love to have him. However, if you wear the "C" for a team you need to do whatever it takes to lead the team. The cbj need him to come out with a physical presence, even if it is outside his comfort zone. Come on Rick!! Throw that big body around like you did in the olympics, drop your gloves and kick the **** out of Ott or Morrow tonight (well at least give it a shot). The players and fans will respect and appreciate you whether you win or lose the fight. Who knows you may actually provide some energy and spark for a team that desperately needs it, enough to even win a game. Thats what a Captain should do!
No I will be pissed that the Jackets best player is out of the game for 5 minutes. I have never understood how anyone would want Nash out there fighting. Should he stick up for his teammates yes and he has and does, but we do not need him sitting or worst hurt because he takes on a roll that is not his.

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10-18-2011, 03:20 PM
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I agree with Hooks. Nash is an awesome player, any team would love to have him. However, if you wear the "C" for a team you need to do whatever it takes to lead the team. The cbj need him to come out with a physical presence, even if it is outside his comfort zone. Come on Rick!! Throw that big body around like you did in the olympics, drop your gloves and kick the **** out of Ott or Morrow tonight (well at least give it a shot). The players and fans will respect and appreciate you whether you win or lose the fight. Who knows you may actually provide some energy and spark for a team that desperately needs it, enough to even win a game. Thats what a Captain should do!
thank you and well said grumpy chuckles.

ever seen the video of yzerman fighting the other teams enforcer. It showed grit and dedication to his team. that is part of the reason the wings were so good. Excellent captain.

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10-18-2011, 03:23 PM
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No I will be pissed that the Jackets best player is out of the game for 5 minutes. I have never understood how anyone would want Nash out there fighting. Should he stick up for his teammates yes and he has and does, but we do not need him sitting or worst hurt because he takes on a roll that is not his.
I remember earlier in the year seeing Carter get slammed into the goal post only to watch Nash skate by and not even say a word.

If Nash fought and was out a couple of games it would rally the troops and the results could be amazing. Could be devastating be what the hell.


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10-18-2011, 04:45 PM
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10-19-2011, 08:58 AM
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Maybe this injury was why Carter looks lazy out on the ice. He just seems to float 90% of the game.

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10-19-2011, 10:32 AM
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Maybe this injury was why Carter looks lazy out on the ice. He just seems to float 90% of the game.
Ask Flyers fans Kshymkiw. They saw the same thing for years despite his ability to score 30+ goals. At one point he was labeled the worst 40 goal scorer ever.

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10-19-2011, 10:36 AM
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Ask Flyers fans Kshymkiw. They saw the same thing for years despite his ability to score 30+ goals. At one point he was labeled the worst 40 goal scorer ever.
Flyers fan here and I come in peace. You will not hear me say a bad word about Jeff. I was more upset about him going than Mike Richards. Big fast forwards who can score are not a dime a dozen. Every team it seems has a whipping boy and Jeff was ours. Now it is Scott Hartnell. Hang in there, you have a very good player in Jeff and I wish nothing but the best for you guys.

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10-19-2011, 07:07 PM
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Flyers fan here and I come in peace. You will not hear me say a bad word about Jeff. I was more upset about him going than Mike Richards. Big fast forwards who can score are not a dime a dozen. Every team it seems has a whipping boy and Jeff was ours. Now it is Scott Hartnell. Hang in there, you have a very good player in Jeff and I wish nothing but the best for you guys.
Thanks for the words of encouragement.

I have a friend that's a Flyers fan, who was always a huge Jeff Carter fan. Curious to see how he feels about Carter being traded, haven't talked to him since before the summer. I'm sure he would say something similar to what you just said.

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10-20-2011, 07:04 AM
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Flyers fan here as well and I wanted to see what Blue Jackets fans thought of Carter so far this season. Unlike hockeypete I was never the biggest carter fan and thought that he was the obvious choice to be dealt this past off season (i was shocked richards was traded and never saw it coming). Anyways, I know Carter is hurt right now but I was just curious if had changed his game at all from his time in Philly?

I always felt that he avoided high traffic areas (I.E. corners and in front of the net)and settled for the wrist shot coming down the wing that had very little chance of going in way too often. I felt that he could easily score 10-15 more goals a season if had the desire (and guts) lower his head and use his size and speed to go hard to the net and I thought a change of scenery and shock of being traded would allow a light bulb to go off and he would change his game. Is that the case?

I dont think the flyers miss him at all right now, but I guess we will see as the season progresses. I think the combo of Courturier and Voracek out ways his production...

What are the columbus fans thoughts of him?

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10-20-2011, 10:54 AM
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Flyers fan here as well and I wanted to see what Blue Jackets fans thought of Carter so far this season. Unlike hockeypete I was never the biggest carter fan and thought that he was the obvious choice to be dealt this past off season (i was shocked richards was traded and never saw it coming). Anyways, I know Carter is hurt right now but I was just curious if had changed his game at all from his time in Philly?

I always felt that he avoided high traffic areas (I.E. corners and in front of the net)and settled for the wrist shot coming down the wing that had very little chance of going in way too often. I felt that he could easily score 10-15 more goals a season if had the desire (and guts) lower his head and use his size and speed to go hard to the net and I thought a change of scenery and shock of being traded would allow a light bulb to go off and he would change his game. Is that the case?

I dont think the flyers miss him at all right now, but I guess we will see as the season progresses. I think the combo of Courturier and Voracek out ways his production...

What are the columbus fans thoughts of him?
Say what you want, but it's hard for a guy to score as many goals as he does without doing something right. I know many Flyers fans weren't big on him, but I surely believe that you'll see some weaknesses exposed (particularly come late in the season) now that opposing teams don't have to worry about Carter and Richards with their one-two punch. Carter might not have put up a ton of points in the playoffs, but now all teams will have to do is put their top defense pair on Claude Giroux or Danny Briere instead - you'll see what I mean.

Without a doubt, in the first couple of games of the season, I thought Jeff Carter was very effective for the Jackets. If we put him on a line with a competent playmaker, I see absolutely no reason why he can't put up 40+ goals on a regular basis. Just because he doesn't go to the front of the net like, say, Scott Hartnell, doesn't mean he's not an elite level player.

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Being that he is on IR, when will he be eligible to play? The Tuesday game against the Wings or the Thursday against Buffalo?

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they said he'd be re-evaluated 7-10 days from last Monday...I don't expect him to play until Anaheim at the earliest...10/30

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Say what you want, but it's hard for a guy to score as many goals as he does without doing something right. I know many Flyers fans weren't big on him, but I surely believe that you'll see some weaknesses exposed (particularly come late in the season) now that opposing teams don't have to worry about Carter and Richards with their one-two punch. Carter might not have put up a ton of points in the playoffs, but now all teams will have to do is put their top defense pair on Claude Giroux or Danny Briere instead - you'll see what I mean.

Without a doubt, in the first couple of games of the season, I thought Jeff Carter was very effective for the Jackets. If we put him on a line with a competent playmaker, I see absolutely no reason why he can't put up 40+ goals on a regular basis. Just because he doesn't go to the front of the net like, say, Scott Hartnell, doesn't mean he's not an elite level player.
I agree that it is a long season and by the end I might be eating my words about not missing Carter. Obviously, I hope that Flyers got the better end of the deal just like all Blue Jacket fans hope they got the better end of the deal. But knowing what I saw from carter over the last few seasons I think Blue Jacket fans will understand were I am coming from eventually. His stats are very misleading, for example, he scored 7 game winning goals for the flyers last season, however, 5 of them occured in the 1st or 2nd period. I always say his stats are hollow, what I mean by that is he will score the 5th and 6th goal of a 6-1 flyers win. Is it good that he scored, ofcourse. Does it make his season goal total look impressive, ofcourse. But did those goals really mean anything other then padding his stats? no not at all. I am sure Blue Jacket fans could say the same about Voracek. I guess we will see as the seasons goes on....

By the way, very good point about defenses focus on Giroux and Briere more because there is no richards or carter to worry about anymore. I think that will become more and more of an issue as the season progresses. Especially if the new additions and young kids dont produce or begin to struggle...

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they said he'd be re-evaluated 7-10 days from last Monday...I don't expect him to play until Anaheim at the earliest...10/30

He needs to hurry back so my fantasy team can start kicking more ass

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I agree that it is a long season and by the end I might be eating my words about not missing Carter. Obviously, I hope that Flyers got the better end of the deal just like all Blue Jacket fans hope they got the better end of the deal. But knowing what I saw from carter over the last few seasons I think Blue Jacket fans will understand were I am coming from eventually. His stats are very misleading, for example, he scored 7 game winning goals for the flyers last season, however, 5 of them occured in the 1st or 2nd period. I always say his stats are hollow, what I mean by that is he will score the 5th and 6th goal of a 6-1 flyers win. Is it good that he scored, ofcourse. Does it make his season goal total look impressive, ofcourse. But did those goals really mean anything other then padding his stats? no not at all. I am sure Blue Jacket fans could say the same about Voracek. I guess we will see as the seasons goes on....

By the way, very good point about defenses focus on Giroux and Briere more because there is no richards or carter to worry about anymore. I think that will become more and more of an issue as the season progresses. Especially if the new additions and young kids dont produce or begin to struggle...
As a franchise that has only seen one 40+ goal scorer, Carter will be a welcomed addition ... no matter when those goals are scored. I follow hockey enough that I've seen what Jeff Carter can bring ... I also know what to expect from Jakub Voracek, and as a huge junior hockey fan and prospect scout, I know what Sean Couturier can bring. I certainly think that both teams benefited from the deal, but with the "win now" mentality that the Jackets have taken on, I think Carter is an integral piece of their current - and future - success.

40 goal centers don't come along very often. We're happy on our end, hopefully it works out for you guys also.

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As a franchise that has only seen one 40+ goal scorer, Carter will be a welcomed addition ... no matter when those goals are scored. I follow hockey enough that I've seen what Jeff Carter can bring ... I also know what to expect from Jakub Voracek, and as a huge junior hockey fan and prospect scout, I know what Sean Couturier can bring. I certainly think that both teams benefited from the deal, but with the "win now" mentality that the Jackets have taken on, I think Carter is an integral piece of their current - and future - success.

40 goal centers don't come along very often. We're happy on our end, hopefully it works out for you guys also.

Fair enough. I agree as long as both teams are happy with trade then there is no real winner or loser. good luck to carter and the blue jackets ( except against the flyers lol)

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@Aportzline #CBJ C Jeff Carter did not skate today. Doubtfull for Thursday Vs. #Sabres

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Hopefully he'll be back soon. Jeff Carter can definitely help us sustain the momentum we gained last night.

Edit: And once Carter is back and healthy I want Brassard centering the second line, he is playing a lot better and I prefer to see Vermette as the third line center.

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I'll take this as a good sign that he's getting close.

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Hopefully he'll be back soon. Jeff Carter can definitely help us sustain the momentum we gained last night.

Edit: And once Carter is back and healthy I want Brassard centering the second line, he is playing a lot better and I prefer to see Vermette as the third line center.
I am not to sure about that. Maybe Brass would do well there, but that second line of Vermette, Umby, and Johan looked awfully good last night.

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I am not to sure about that. Maybe Brass would do well there, but that second line of Vermette, Umby, and Johan looked awfully good last night.
What about Brass, Johan and Umby on a second line? Drop Vermy to the third line. Would this work?

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