HFBoards  

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Northwest Division > Edmonton Oilers
Notices

Will Nugent-Hopkins play in the WJC?

View Poll Results: Will RNH play in the WJC?
Yes 6 5.45%
No 104 94.55%
Voters: 110. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old
10-17-2011, 03:35 PM
  #1
NAF
Beauty Fakes
 
NAF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,450
vCash: 50
Will Nugent-Hopkins play in the WJC?

Maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit here, but I think after the hat-trick game, RNH seems a lock to play the whole season on the big club (sub-.200 performance in the faceoff circle notwithstanding). Assuming he does stay up, what do you guys think the chances are that the Oilers will make him available to play in the WJC?

Personally, I think it's sort of a win-win if the Oil let him go for the tournament. It would be an amazing experience and developmental opportunity for the kid -- a chance to play in the biggest games on the biggest stage, to lead his peers, and, yeah, to entertain the hometown (well, home-province) crowd. Plus, what the Oilers lose in Ryan's production while he's not on the roster, they'll more than make up in future good will. If we want these big talents to re-sign with our team when their ELCs and RFAs are up, it's so important we treat them right from start to finish.

Thoughts?

NAF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:38 PM
  #2
nullterm
Registered User
 
nullterm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,417
vCash: 500
Would you send one of your best players (let alone center) when you are trying to get the team to win now? Sorry Team Canada.

nullterm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:40 PM
  #3
PaperDesigner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 684
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nullterm View Post
Would you send one of your best players (let alone center) when you are trying to get the team to win now? Sorry Team Canada.
Is Nugent-Hopkins going to help them win the Stanley Cup this year? If not, is the phrase "win now" meaningful at all?

PaperDesigner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:43 PM
  #4
mrcrazycanuck
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 723
vCash: 50
october 1st I would have said yes
October 17th I now say no

mrcrazycanuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:43 PM
  #5
dnicks17
Moderator
Bill Ranford!
 
dnicks17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,477
vCash: 50
I can't recall a single time where an NHL team let a rookie go to the WJCs.

I'd say it's safe to assume he won't be going.

dnicks17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:44 PM
  #6
Arpeggio
Registered User
 
Arpeggio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,460
vCash: 500
I don't think it's goodwill to send Hopkins to WJC. I'm sure at this point, he'd much rather stay in the NHL during that time period rather than spend it at a junior tournament.

Hopkins might well be on the World Championship team, he'll get his chances to represent Canada.

All I can say is that if I was in the NHL, on the Oilers, playing as a top line center, the last thing I would want to do is play in the WJC.

Arpeggio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:45 PM
  #7
NAF
Beauty Fakes
 
NAF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,450
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by nullterm View Post
Would you send one of your best players (let alone center) when you are trying to get the team to win now? Sorry Team Canada.
Yeah, I guess the implied question here is, "Do you think the Oilers are serious about 'winning now'?"

NAF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:47 PM
  #8
NAF
Beauty Fakes
 
NAF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,450
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnicks17 View Post
I can't recall a single time where an NHL team let a rookie go to the WJCs.
Yeah, me neither, but I can't say I've ever really paid attention to that, either. Does anyone know of examples?

NAF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:48 PM
  #9
phaedrusDH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 783
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arpeggio View Post
I don't think it's goodwill to send Hopkins to WJC. I'm sure at this point, he'd much rather stay in the NHL during that time period rather than spend it at a junior tournament.

Hopkins might well be on the World Championship team, he'll get his chances to represent Canada.

All I can say is that if I was in the NHL, on the Oilers, playing as a top line center, the last thing I would want to do is play in the WJC.
this. plus, if i were Oilers' management, i wouldn't want to risk injury to RNH.

RNH will have plenty of future opportunities to represent Team Canada internationally.

phaedrusDH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:50 PM
  #10
NAF
Beauty Fakes
 
NAF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,450
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arpeggio View Post
I don't think it's goodwill to send Hopkins to WJC. I'm sure at this point, he'd much rather stay in the NHL during that time period rather than spend it at a junior tournament.

Hopkins might well be on the World Championship team, he'll get his chances to represent Canada.

All I can say is that if I was in the NHL, on the Oilers, playing as a top line center, the last thing I would want to do is play in the WJC.
I dunno, man. The WJC is an insanely big deal in international play these days, second only to the Olympics. If the Oilers are in 14th or 15th come December and RNH is getting worn down a bit from the grind of playing against men, a trip to the Juniors might be more attractive to the kid than you think.

NAF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:51 PM
  #11
o98
Registered User
 
o98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 776
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to o98
Quote:
Originally Posted by NAF View Post
Yeah, me neither, but I can't say I've ever really paid attention to that, either. Does anyone know of examples?
I think Nick Schultz (MIN) but not certain.

o98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:53 PM
  #12
Silver
Registered User
 
Silver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: California
Posts: 5,011
vCash: 500
I can see him going if he gets hurt in November after a big slump and misses a few weeks, but at this point that's the only way.

Silver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:54 PM
  #13
NAF
Beauty Fakes
 
NAF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,450
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by o98 View Post
I think Nick Schultz (MIN) but not certain.
Hmm. Interesting. I'll check that out.

Not that it's the same thing, but what about SEL clubs? Do they have a stronger history of releasing young players for the WJC? (Thinking about Klefbom now.)

NAF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 03:57 PM
  #14
bone
Registered User
 
bone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 672
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaperDesigner View Post
Is Nugent-Hopkins going to help them win the Stanley Cup this year? If not, is the phrase "win now" meaningful at all?
If he continues to play at this level he improves their odds of making the playoffs which is their goal for the year. Granted, it's not a large increase in odds, but sending one of your best player away for close to 10 games would not be the actions of a team that wants to show people they are interested in contending for a playoff spot.

Now if the tournament was played around the 60 game mark of the season and there was no chance of playoffs then I could see teams being willing to do this, but usually the WJCs happen when there has only been about 30-35 games and everyone is technically still in the race.

Also, if he was barely getting into the lineup every game, it may also be considered by some teams, but let's face it, he's probably already the best centreman on the team (outside his poor face off showing)

bone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 04:08 PM
  #15
dnicks17
Moderator
Bill Ranford!
 
dnicks17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,477
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by NAF View Post
Hmm. Interesting. I'll check that out.

Not that it's the same thing, but what about SEL clubs? Do they have a stronger history of releasing young players for the WJC? (Thinking about Klefbom now.)
Yeah, they usually do.

Farjestad(Klefbom's team), specifically, let Johan Gustafsson and Johan Motin go recently.


Last edited by dnicks17: 10-17-2011 at 04:32 PM.
dnicks17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 04:25 PM
  #16
Guelkey
Registered User
 
Guelkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 66
vCash: 500
Quick question if he ends up being allowed to go to the tourney. Does he have to go back to junior after or can he just come right back to the big club?

Guelkey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 04:29 PM
  #17
Nailor Hopberle
Registered User
 
Nailor Hopberle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Winterpeg
Posts: 6,331
vCash: 7366
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnicks17 View Post
I can't recall a single time where an NHL team let a rookie go to the WJCs.

I'd say it's safe to assume he won't be going.
I think Oscar Moller played in the WJCs during his first year with the Kings.

Nailor Hopberle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 04:34 PM
  #18
Grantimus
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 61
vCash: 500
Pittsburgh lent MAF to team Canada the one year. So it has happened before.

Grantimus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 04:37 PM
  #19
Tim Eh
Registered User
 
Tim Eh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: E-town
Posts: 63
vCash: 500
I thought the blues sent Pietrangelo... but maybe he only played 9 that year and went back to Jr

Tim Eh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 04:39 PM
  #20
dnicks17
Moderator
Bill Ranford!
 
dnicks17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,477
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Eh View Post
I thought the blues sent Pietrangelo... but maybe he only played 9 that year and went back to Jr
Yeah, he was sent back to junior.

dnicks17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 04:50 PM
  #21
MoneyGuy
Registered User
 
MoneyGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,631
vCash: 500
It's looking increasingly unlikely that he'll be returned to junior. I'm coming around, boys and girls. If he continues this kind of play, well...let's say he's making it pretty darn near impossible for the team to send him down. If he's with the big club, no way he plays in the world juniors. He's a kid and he's already easily our best centre, and where better to develop him than playing against the best players in the world. We'll have a much better idea in about a week.

MoneyGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 04:59 PM
  #22
hockeyaddict101
Registered User
 
hockeyaddict101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 19,871
vCash: 500
4 goals in 3 games. How many points did Hall or Eberle have in 9 games?

Not saying this to insult Hall or Eberle at all, just to point out that he would have to completely fall apart to be sent back now.

hockeyaddict101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 05:00 PM
  #23
tiger_80
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,884
vCash: 500
WJC is a step back for RNH at this point. Let him play in the NHL.

tiger_80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 05:03 PM
  #24
awesomo
HARD!
 
awesomo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: location, location
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,910
vCash: 50
What if he got injured at the wjhc? Probably would blame the oilers

awesomo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
10-17-2011, 05:03 PM
  #25
Petro Points
Registered User
 
Petro Points's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 12,739
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaperDesigner View Post
Is Nugent-Hopkins going to help them win the Stanley Cup this year? If not, is the phrase "win now" meaningful at all?
No but he is going to help Oilers win games this year.
As long as he isnt a liability (or replacable) he wont be playing WJC.

Petro Points is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:27 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2013 All Rights Reserved.