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08-30-2004, 04:03 PM
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Bonk versus Sundin and Thornton

How has he fared in the past? Anyone know?

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Feared like Blondie* in the good, the bad and the ugly. :lol

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Feared like Blondie* in the good, the bad and the ugly. :lol

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I liked Blondie better in Videodrome.

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How has he fared in the past? Anyone know?
Don't know about Thornton, but I know that up until last year he was a thorn in Sundin's side, second only to Holik in getting to him. Last year for some reason he was ineffective against Mats.

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Don't know about Thornton, but I know that up until last year he was a thorn in Sundin's side, second only to Holik in getting to him. Last year for some reason he was ineffective against Mats.
He just had one bad year, he will rock as soon as he will wear Habs jersey. Hey, we're die-hard fans here, we have to be beleivers!

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He just had one bad year, he will rock as soon as he will wear Habs jersey. Hey, we're die-hard fans here, we have to be beleivers!
Agreed..sometimes players just get on a team with too many other good players and they have a hard time standing out. Not to say that Bonk is bad, its just that he didnt get as much of a chance with the Sens as he will get with Mtl. I think he will go back to the way he was when he first started with Ottawa, before Ottawa had so many good players

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How has he fared in the past? Anyone know?
Well ive seen almost all the playoff games between Ottawa abd Toronto over the years, and from what i have seen, Bonk has done a great job for the most part, ezcept last year as someone mentioned.

However i would rather call it containing than shuting down. Sundin is one of those players, you just cant shut down, even Bonk....

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Dar, that is the best avatar ever

I bow to you, my humble master.


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I don't like Mark Madden. If it was up to me, I would do away with his genitals so that he may not harm the future of the world.

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Bah.

Bonk never did anything to stop Sundin, I don't know what those other guys are talking about.

The only guy I've seen lock down Mats to any large degree is Bobby Holik, and that was a few years ago now.

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Bah.

Bonk never did anything to stop Sundin, I don't know what those other guys are talking about.

The only guy I've seen lock down Mats to any large degree is Bobby Holik, and that was a few years ago now.
Are you saying Sundin shuts himself down, on his own? Man, he is some player.

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Bah.

Bonk never did anything to stop Sundin, I don't know what those other guys are talking about.

The only guy I've seen lock down Mats to any large degree is Bobby Holik, and that was a few years ago now.

I agree Bonk has been useless in a shut-down role against Mats and Thornton. Chara was the one shutting down big joe and Mats (when they were matched up he did ok but didnt really "shut him down")
Bonk cant compete with these 2. Hes good defensively but not an excellent shut-down guy.

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Are you saying Sundin shuts himself down, on his own? Man, he is some player.
As a sens fans i'm going to ask you this when has Sundin ever been shut-down against the sens?

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Are you saying Sundin shuts himself down, on his own? Man, he is some player.
Huh?

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If we want to really shut down the opponent, resigning Dowd could be a great move for 4th line duty.

This guy is a pain to play against. Like Juneau, he calculate the angles and think defence first. The only mistake i remember from him is when he tried to pass the puck to the blue line and a guy from TB (Stillman?) picked the puck and scored on breakaway.

Dowd is a good asset for a team who play the trap. He begins to be old, but he seems to be in great shape. He's a professional.

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I agree Bonk has been useless in a shut-down role against Mats and Thornton. Chara was the one shutting down big joe and Mats (when they were matched up he did ok but didnt really "shut him down")
Bonk cant compete with these 2. Hes good defensively but not an excellent shut-down guy.
That's pure BS and you know it.

It's so far from the truth it's not even funny.

I'm not getting upset or taking a jab at you...it's just that Bonk is a VERY good shut down centerman...always has been and no one gives him any credit for being so.

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Bah.

Bonk never did anything to stop Sundin, I don't know what those other guys are talking about.

The only guy I've seen lock down Mats to any large degree is Bobby Holik, and that was a few years ago now.
If only one player has ever managed to lock down Sundin, and that was "a few years ago", who has shut him down in all the years since ? By your reasoning, it can only be Sundin himself. So he is quite some player, shutting down one of the league's premier talents, namely himself. Q.E.D.

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That's pure BS and you know it.

It's so far from the truth it's not even funny.

I'm not getting upset or taking a jab at you...it's just that Bonk is a VERY good shut down centerman...always has been and no one gives him any credit for being so.
I agree with you.

It seems here in Ottawa, Bonk will never get credit for being a good hockey player, because he didn't live up to everyone's expectations.

It's like he was blamed for not being a good defensive player when he was thrust into an offensive role & then blamed for not scoring enough points when he was asked to do the checking duties. I realize it is not quite that simplistic, but, that to me is the way he was assessed in Ottawa.

A lot was expected of him because he was drafted 3rd overall & because of his big year in the IHL, but, realistically, he is just a good solid 2 way center, not an offensive wizard. Ottawa's loss is Montreal's gain.

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That's pure BS and you know it.

It's so far from the truth it's not even funny.

I'm not getting upset or taking a jab at you...it's just that Bonk is a VERY good shut down centerman...always has been and no one gives him any credit for being so.
No way, IMHO he isnt a shut-down guy. He plays very well defensively but to be a "shut-down" guy you have to successfully shut people down Bonk hasnt played that role in Ottawa. IMO great defensively, but not shut-down, honestly who has he shut-down lately? I seriousely cant think of any circumstances where he has been successfully used ina shut-down role recently. He can definetely do it, ahs the skills & the brains, but not the will, IMO the #1 asset a shut-down guy has is tenacity (Begin, Peca, Fisher, Draper, Maltby, Holik, Corson back in his day, Konowalchuk so on), Radek "if I only had a heart" Bonk is definitetly not tenacious.


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Not many players can shut down Sundin. He's one of those players who really use their size efficiently. As good as Bonk may be, I don't think that he will be able to just shut down Sundin, time after time. That's just asking way too much from him.

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