I think Guddy has been doing a pretty solid job for 10 games. Sure he's made mistakes but what rookie doesn't? This is his first taste of the NHL aside from some pre season games last season. What are people expecting? On that alone, I'd say he's actually been doing quite well.
Sure, he's been beat a few times, but he's also done the team good with his great transition passes and clearing pucks from dangerous areas. I am more than pleased with his start. I'd much rather have Gudbranson in than Ellerby who doesn't even know what the word "defense" means.
This. To me I can literally see Guds out there thinking about every move he is making. You can tell he is trying his hardest to play a conservative, smart game. He has all the physical tools, the hardest part for a young player like him is to not rely on those physical tools but play a smart game.
You can tell he is being coached up very hard to do that, and to me he is doing a great job at it. For the most part he is making the right reads/plays and the mistakes have been very limited for a player his age.
Once it becomes instinctual, may take a year, may take long, may take less...and he can just go out there and fly around a little more and use his high level talent, he is going to be a very good, strong, legit first pairing defensemen.
Would love to see him moved up and getting to play with Kulikov or Campbell next year, that would be huge as you can see how much of an impact Campbell is making on Garrison.
Because of work & hockey, I havent got to watch as many games as usual (2 and a bit of one ) so I am relying right now on what you fans have to say and what I can see from highlights.
Is it just me or does Weaver not look quite himself yet this year. I see his old partner Garrison is playing lots with Campbell.
Your thoughts...
The highlighted is because...again...you're expecting steady veteran play from a rookie, who's played 10 professional games. He wouldn't be up still if the team felt the same. Sorry, but you're just wrong. You're talking about 10 games from now, to me that means you're not sure you're just thinking he could/should be doing more and are wobbling on your stance here.
He's not been nearly as bad as you're making him out to be. You don't sit a kid and tell him to basically shape up after just telling him he made the team and "good job," that makes the team look ridiculous. What kind of message is that?
there's no wobbling going on, im just giving some credence to the point thats been made that he just made the team and it might not be the right time to sit him for a game. but if he keeps making bad plays and allowing goals because of his mistakes then it will be time to sit him. i would be happy if he just wasnt noticeable, but to me his mistakes stick out. i do hope his play picks up and he gets more steady, but if it doesnt happen, if his plus minus continues to plummet and he isnt adding anything offensively (and to me the plus minus is far more important for a dman then the scoring) then he should a game here a game there. but im in his corner hoping he plays better, i certainly like the kid.
there's no wobbling going on, im just giving some credence to the point thats been made that he just made the team and it might not be the right time to sit him for a game. but if he keeps making bad plays and allowing goals because of his mistakes then it will be time to sit him. i would be happy if he just wasnt noticeable, but to me his mistakes stick out. i do hope his play picks up and he gets more steady, but if it doesnt happen, if his plus minus continues to plummet and he isnt adding anything offensively (and to me the plus minus is far more important for a dman then the scoring) then he should a game here a game there. but im in his corner hoping he plays better, i certainly like the kid.
I don't know how many have to come in here and stand behind him. You're the only one taking this stance. Allowing goals? What??
His play has been fine. Especially for a rookie. Nothing has stood out to me. Everyone has made mistakes. You're either watching him like a hawk, or your expectations are way too high. I think it's both, and I've said this multiple times. He is not a veteran defenseman.
And Ellerby was awful while on the ice. Not the time to sit him. He'll likely need a rest here and there, but not right now.
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I don't know how many have to come in here and stand behind him. You're the only one taking this stance. Allowing goals? What??
His play has been fine. Especially for a rookie. Nothing has stood out to me. Everyone has made mistakes. You're either watching him like a hawk, or your expectations are way too high. I think it's both, and I've said this multiple times. He is not a veteran defenseman.
And Ellerby was awful while on the ice. Not the time to sit him. He'll likely need a rest here and there, but not right now.
looks like its just me and kevin dineen on this one
looks like its just me and kevin dineen on this one
Uh, he sat for a breather, as we all knew he was going to. He's a rookie not used to this schedule. Further, it's possible they're showcasing for a package deal with Clemmer.
Uh, he sat for a breather, as we all knew he was going to. He's a rookie not used to this schedule. Further, it's possible they're showcasing for a package deal with Clemmer.
He's not sitting because of his play.
LOL you keep telling yourself that.
King - you're not alone. Gudbranson hasn't been very good, and those without the homer-OMGZ HE LIKES TO FIGHTS-goggles on can see that.
ellerby, too, hasn't been very good, so we're basically rotating diarrhea at the #6 spot for right now until one of them improves.
King - you're not alone. Gudbranson hasn't been very good, and those without the homer-OMGZ HE LIKES TO FIGHTS-goggles on can see that.
ellerby, too, hasn't been very good, so we're basically rotating diarrhea at the #6 spot for right now until one of them improves.
Soooooo...he made the team. Isn't getting sent back. Basically saying to Ellerby that he's gonna have to wait for injury, then a couple games later they tell him that he's not been good enough and he needs to sit. Sure, OK, makes sense. You keep telling yourself that. He hasn't looked good. 10 games into his professional career. Again, keep telling yourself that.
He's been in 2 fights. In how many games? Where does fighting have anything to do with it? Oh, it doesn't. Diarrhea? Wow.
If he wasn't doing well, he wouldn't still be here. Plain and simple. Teams throughout the league, for God knows how long, have rested rookies. He's not used to this schedule.
King - you're not alone. Gudbranson hasn't been very good, and those without the homer-OMGZ HE LIKES TO FIGHTS-goggles on can see that.
ellerby, too, hasn't been very good, so we're basically rotating diarrhea at the #6 spot for right now until one of them improves.
He hasnt been very good? Huh? And he has been in a whopping TWO fights so far. You are giving him FAR less credit than he deserves, and as a ----> ROOKIE <---- he has been just fine. Great stuff going on in this thread
Uh, he sat for a breather, as we all knew he was going to. He's a rookie not used to this schedule. Further, it's possible they're showcasing for a package deal with Clemmer.
He's not sitting because of his play.
breather? the last game was on monday. breathers usually come on back to back games. that was no breather. the truth is he has struggle at times. dineen sat him for exactly the reasons i said, to let him step back, watch from above to get some perspective, and reignite his drive to improve. its not a matter of saying to him youre good enough or not. sitting young players who have barely made the team happens all the time and is done for their own good to help them grow.
but thats okay, im fine with it just being me and kevin on this one.
o btw, ill bet anything theres a quote from guds soon saying just what ive said, 1) it helped him to see the ice from a birds eye perspective and 2) it motivated him
breather? the last game was on monday. breathers usually come on back to back games. that was no breather. the truth is he has struggle at times. dineen sat him for exactly the reasons i said, to let him step back, watch from above to get some perspective, and reignite his drive to improve. its not a matter of saying to him youre good enough or not. sitting young players who have barely made the team happens all the time and is done for their own good to help them grow.
but thats okay, im fine with it just being me and kevin on this one.
Thats what happen with young players, your right. Now and then they need to sit upstairs and watch the game. You will hear it from the players, they see a different side of the game when you can watch it like that.
IMO Gubs hasn't been that bad this year so far. To me, for a non-offensive Dman, the more you don't notice him on the ice, the better. I haven't heard Gubs' name been said too many times this year, which isn't a bad thing.
o btw, ill bet anything theres a quote from guds soon saying just what ive said, 1) it helped him to see the ice from a birds eye perspective and 2) it motivated him
“I'm 19, I knew this was going to happen eventually,'' said Gudbranson, the third overall pick of the 2010 draft.
“Ellerby is playing well. I'm forcing things too much. [Dineen] told me to use this as a learning experience and that's what I'm doing.''
Thats what happen with young players, your right. Now and then they need to sit upstairs and watch the game. You will hear it from the players, they see a different side of the game when you can watch it like that.
IMO Gubs hasn't been that bad this year so far. To me, for a non-offensive Dman, the more you don't notice him on the ice, the better. I haven't heard Gubs' name been said too many times this year, which isn't a bad thing.
This.
Guds has been fine. find me a gdt where he's being trashed for a goal making a game changing mistake. Like Pantherboy said when you don't notice a defenseman, thats a good thing.
Having said that there is nothing wrong with sitting him a game. I did not take it as punitive, at all. I took it as a coach whose a former all star NHL'er and understands this might help in his development.
breather? the last game was on monday. breathers usually come on back to back games. that was no breather. the truth is he has struggle at times. dineen sat him for exactly the reasons i said, to let him step back, watch from above to get some perspective, and reignite his drive to improve. its not a matter of saying to him youre good enough or not. sitting young players who have barely made the team happens all the time and is done for their own good to help them grow.
but thats okay, im fine with it just being me and kevin on this one.
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o btw, ill bet anything theres a quote from guds soon saying just what ive said, 1) it helped him to see the ice from a birds eye perspective and 2) it motivated him
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“I'm 19, I knew this was going to happen eventually,'' said Gudbranson, the third overall pick of the 2010 draft.
“Ellerby is playing well. I'm forcing things too much. [Dineen] told me to use this as a learning experience and that's what I'm doing.''
Fair enough. Diarrhea? Not close. Awful? Nope.I do think it's silly to have just told him he's making the team, but....sit. I was wrong in Dineen's reasoning, good job. (Don't agree with it, but he's a rookie)
And I sure as hell don't think he's as bad as you made him sound, especially how cranky boy made it sound.
He's young, he's done better than a lot of other defenseman I've seen come on the scene, and I'm proud of him. I knew he was going to sit, just didn't think it'd be a few games after telling him he made the team. Guess it's good to keep him in check, though.
Fair enough. Diarrhea? Not close. Awful? Nope.I do think it's silly to have just told him he's making the team, but....sit. I was wrong in Dineen's reasoning, good job. (Don't agree with it, but he's a rookie)
And I sure as hell don't think he's as bad as you made him sound, especially how cranky boy made it sound.
He's young, he's done better than a lot of other defenseman I've seen come on the scene, and I'm proud of him. I knew he was going to sit, just didn't think it'd be a few games after telling him he made the team. Guess it's good to keep him in check, though.
haven't seen all the games but yeah, diarrhea? they are both kids. i think it's useful to step back and take in the fact we have 2 #1 pick Dmen with obvious ability fighting over bottom pairing minutes more than a year after each was drafted.... on a team in 5th place in the conference! that's a big change.
i'm not giving up on gudbranson, i know it's 10 games into a 19 year olds NHL career. but my post was intended to laus - who was using the excuses of gudbranson "not being used to the nhl schedule" and "showcasing ellerby for a trade"
both of those comments are beyond laughable - he sat because he hasn't been very good, plain and simple.
i'm not giving up on gudbranson, i know it's 10 games into a 19 year olds NHL career. but my post was intended to laus - who was using the excuses of gudbranson "not being used to the nhl schedule" and "showcasing ellerby for a trade"
both of those comments are beyond laughable - he sat because he hasn't been very good, plain and simple.
It's laughable to give a 19 year old 10 games into his career a break? OK.
It's not possible they're showcasing Ellerby? Especially with talk that Clemmensen could be on the move? Again...OK.
He hasn't been bad, to say he's "diarrhea," that's laughable. And stupid. You also made the dumb comment that it has something to do with fighting, which was never brought up in my defense of him. In fact, as much as I still want him to knock out Moen, I was impressed that he decided to stick to just playing.
So...thanks for the comments that A, make little sense, and B, have nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
Fair enough. Diarrhea? Not close. Awful? Nope.I do think it's silly to have just told him he's making the team, but....sit. I was wrong in Dineen's reasoning, good job. (Don't agree with it, but he's a rookie)
And I sure as hell don't think he's as bad as you made him sound, especially how cranky boy made it sound.
He's young, he's done better than a lot of other defenseman I've seen come on the scene, and I'm proud of him. I knew he was going to sit, just didn't think it'd be a few games after telling him he made the team. Guess it's good to keep him in check, though.
are you referring to me? i dont think im cranky. i think i had an opinion and supported it. i didnt get rude with anyone.
are you referring to me? i dont think im cranky. i think i had an opinion and supported it. i didnt get rude with anyone.
No, not you. You were right about his sitting, I don't think I agree with it, as I said. I apologize, but I don't think the coaching staff saw him as bad as you (and especially flapanthersfan) made him out to be. He's still very young, I guess my expectations for him aren't overly high. He's playing how I figured he would. Plenty of room for improvement, of course.
It's laughable to give a 19 year old 10 games into his career a break? OK.
It's not possible they're showcasing Ellerby? Especially with talk that Clemmensen could be on the move? Again...OK.
He hasn't been bad, to say he's "diarrhea," that's laughable. And stupid. You also made the dumb comment that it has something to do with fighting, which was never brought up in my defense of him. In fact, as much as I still want him to knock out Moen, I was impressed that he decided to stick to just playing.
So...thanks for the comments that A, make little sense, and B, have nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
i know you - and i know you love gudbranson because he's willing to fight. if you deny that, you're lying.
i never said those things arent possible - but they're not why he sat, and dineen/gudbranson's comments prove it. you're making excuses for the kid because you're infatuated with him, plain and simple.
erik gudbranson, 10 games into his nhl career, has NOT played well. does that mean he wont eventually develop into a more reliable player? no, it doesn't. but that IS why he was a healthy scratch last night, nothing else.
i know you - and i know you love gudbranson because he's willing to fight. if you deny that, you're lying.
i never said those things arent possible - but they're not why he sat, and dineen/gudbranson's comments prove it. you're making excuses for the kid because you're infatuated with him, plain and simple.
erik gudbranson, 10 games into his nhl career, has NOT played well. does that mean he wont eventually develop into a more reliable player? no, it doesn't. but that IS why he was a healthy scratch last night, nothing else.
You're dragging him down because you didn't like the selection. How did he make the team if he has "NOT" played well? Give it a rest. Plenty of room for improvement, and that's a bad thing?? You're quote was "diarrhea," that's childish, for one, and incredibly untrue for two.
Yeah, I like that he can fight. If you think that's why I like him, you're wrong. I like his overall game. I love his passion and drive, as I stated many times over before the pick.
Infatuated? Sure. LOVE the pick. But if you think I don't call players what they are, you don't know me at all. You know me? Uh, no. I was hammering Luongo long before it was popular to do so. Same with Horton. Same with Olli. I have no problem calling players out. You didn't like the pick, so you're looking for failures, I know he's played 10 games and don't expect much...again. But, keep up with the crap.
Do you believe everything coaches and GMs say? I sure hope not.
Diarrhea? Seems you're backing way off that, while still trying to hammer the kid.
You're dragging him down because you didn't like the selection. How did he make the team if he has "NOT" played well? Give it a rest. Plenty of room for improvement, and that's a bad thing?? You're quote was "diarrhea," that's childish, for one, and incredibly untrue for two.
Yeah, I like that he can fight. If you think that's why I like him, you're wrong. I like his overall game. I love his passion and drive, as I stated many times over before the pick.
Infatuated? Sure. LOVE the pick. But if you think I don't call players what they are, you don't know me at all. You know me? Uh, no. I was hammering Luongo long before it was popular to do so. Same with Horton. Same with Olli. I have no problem calling players out. You didn't like the pick, so you're looking for failures, I know he's played 10 games and don't expect much...again. But, keep up with the crap.
Do you believe everything coaches and GMs say? I sure hope not.
Diarrhea? Seems you're backing way off that, while still trying to hammer the kid.
Basically what this guy says. If Gudbranson has been so terrible, why did he stay up after his 9 games?
Sure he hasn't been dominating, but I haven't seen very many glaring errors.
You're dragging him down because you didn't like the selection. How did he make the team if he has "NOT" played well? Give it a rest. Plenty of room for improvement, and that's a bad thing?? You're quote was "diarrhea," that's childish, for one, and incredibly untrue for two.
just because i didn't like the selection doesnt mean i don't hope i'm wrong. i'm a panthers fan, i want to see gudbranson succeed, it's good for our team. i'm not going to bash him so i can pound my chest and say "i told you so"
the diarrhea comment was a joke. get over it already, jesus. the point was, he hasn't been good...too bad you have to be spoon-fed everything.
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Yeah, I like that he can fight. If you think that's why I like him, you're wrong. I like his overall game. I love his passion and drive, as I stated many times over before the pick.
i know - i remember. you know who else has alot of passion and drive? matt bradley. would you take him 3rd overall? right know it looks as if though fowler was the better pick. hopefully with time, that changes, but as of now, fowler's a much better player at this level.
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Infatuated? Sure. LOVE the pick. But if you think I don't call players what they are, you don't know me at all. You know me? Uh, no. I was hammering Luongo long before it was popular to do so. Same with Horton. Same with Olli. I have no problem calling players out. You didn't like the pick, so you're looking for failures, I know he's played 10 games and don't expect much...again. But, keep up with the crap.
good for you. but i've also been around long enough to know you defend "fighters" endlessly, even when they clearly don't deserve it. hows macintyre doing in the AHL right now? how about hordichuk being a healthy scratch over and over?
i know your schtick. you're clearly making excuses for gudbranson, and that's likely the reason why.
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Do you believe everything coaches and GMs say? I sure hope not.
i believe him here, because i've seen the games and am not blinded by infatuation to see he has not played very well.
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Diarrhea? Seems you're backing way off that, while still trying to hammer the kid.
you sure loved that comment, didn't you? i have a unique way of expressing my opinions. hope you continue to enjoy them.
Basically what this guy says. If Gudbranson has been so terrible, why did he stay up after his 9 games?
Sure he hasn't been dominating, but I haven't seen very many glaring errors.
because the only other option was sending him down to juniors - where he has no business being. a 6'4 220 pound defensman murdering 16 year old kids isn't going to help his development any.
if he was AHL elibible - i'm pretty sure thats where he'd be right now, but he's not, so he's playing sparingly and/or sitting out as a healthy scratch until he catches up to the speed of the game.
10 games into his professional career. Again, keep telling yourself that. 
Wow. 
