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Anybody have a top winger for Yashin?

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08-28-2004, 11:24 PM
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Anybody have a top winger for Yashin?

Who has a *realistic* proposal between their team and the New York Islanders that would return a top line winger Alexei Yashin? Just out of curiosities sake. Any of the big 4 are available (though realistically Milbury wouldn't trade Kenny Jonsson) but the Isles aren't willing to part with prospects and young, cheap players (such as Wienhandl or Hunter.) I'm sure that if it's a good enough offer than they would pull the trigger. And remember, $$$ is a huge factor.

Well, fire away.

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To any team:
Yashin + $20mil

To NYI:
2nd rounder

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LeClair and Amonte for Yashin.

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I think he wants propsals for a winger FOR Yashin, not a deal to get him out of town.

To NYI: Ray Whitney (with some salary paid)
To DET: 2nd rounder

To NYI: Geoff Sanderson, 2nd rounder
To CLB: Niinnama, Jason Blake

I'm not very good at these type of things, so fire away...and be gentle

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Well Dupuis could be made avaliable but I don't think he would be a top line player. So unless you gave up the farm for O'Sullivan or we get a guy like Wallin back for Wallin, probably no.

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Ok Im gonna be serious now.

Sykora for Jason Blake, Mapletoft and a 5th. I think Isles wouold do it, plus Sykora is fairly cheap too.

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I think Ray Whitney, while not exactly being a top winger, would be a good fit for Yashin and would come at an affordable price.

Another cheap option I'd look into would be his old pal form Ottawa, Shawn McEachern, but I'm not sure what Atlanta would ask in return as he plays an important role with his leadership and IMO still has a few good years in him even though he slowed down in the last few years.

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Originally Posted by Sir Ozzie X
I think he wants propsals for a winger FOR Yashin, not a deal to get him out of town.

To NYI: Ray Whitney (with some salary paid)
To DET: 2nd rounder
I'd do it. Whitney and some cash paid would definitly clear up atleast 2 million in salary, thus we could go out and spend a few million on either resigning schneider or getting a better forward like a Demitra, Palffy or Kovalev

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Ok Im gonna be serious now.

Sykora for Jason Blake, Mapletoft and a 5th. I think Isles wouold do it, plus Sykora is fairly cheap too.
Sykora makes 4.1 million!...Out of NYI range unless simular contracts or going back in the deal or in a seperate deal.

Sykora 4.1
Salei 2.4

for

Hamrlik 4.0?
Blake 2.0

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to NYI: Brian Savage

to PHX: future considerations.

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Sykora makes 4.1 million!...Out of NYI range unless simular contracts or going back in the deal or in a seperate deal.

Sykora 4.1
Salei 2.4

for

Hamrlik 4.0?
Blake 2.0
Ducks would send you Sykora for a prospect and a pick. Ducks don't want any salary back in the deal.

Saving maybe 500,000 wouldn't do anything for the Ducks.

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Originally Posted by Sir Ozzie X
I think he wants propsals for a winger FOR Yashin, not a deal to get him out of town.

To NYI: Ray Whitney (with some salary paid)
To DET: 2nd rounder

To NYI: Geoff Sanderson, 2nd rounder
To CLB: Niinnama, Jason Blake

I'm not very good at these type of things, so fire away...and be gentle


Blake's good for 45-55 pts a yr and is a strong pker.
Sanderson's good for 40-60 pts a yr?

and the isles toss is Niinimaa who's reasonable signed for the next 3 yr?

no thanks

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Well Dupuis could be made avaliable but I don't think he would be a top line player. So unless you gave up the farm for O'Sullivan or we get a guy like Wallin back for Wallin, probably no.

I think if the isles were moving a top 4 on D,they'd want a top line forward back or a youngster with the potential to be a top line forward,in a package deal.

and they used 3 picks before O'Sullivan was drafted.
I think if they'd wanted him,they'd have used one of those picks to draft him.They might as well show patience with their own unproven forward propects.


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Originally Posted by Sir Ozzie X
I think he wants propsals for a winger FOR Yashin, not a deal to get him out of town.

To NYI: Ray Whitney (with some salary paid)
To DET: 2nd rounder

To NYI: Geoff Sanderson, 2nd rounder
To CLB: Niinnama, Jason Blake

I'm not very good at these type of things, so fire away...and be gentle

Pass on both deals. The first gives the Isles a smallish winger who wasn't very productive last year.

The second deal is brutally unbalanced. Janne N alone is worth way, way more than Sanderson and a pick.

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Ducks would send you Sykora for a prospect and a pick. Ducks don't want any salary back in the deal.

Saving maybe 500,000 wouldn't do anything for the Ducks.

Sykora is the one player mentioned in this whole thread who could be an upgrade on what the Isles have. I doubt, however, that the Isles could take on that kind of contract.

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LeClair and Amonte for Yashin.
Even though that is not an answer to the question posed in this thread, as an NYI fan, I'd do it in a nanosecond. That is an exchange of three certifiable deadweight contracts. Howeve, Amonte's and Leclair's end much sooner than Yashin's, hence the opportunity to open up payroll and re-tool the roster properly. But alas, wang has adopted the enigmatic, unreliable Russian as the mascot of this team for the decade.

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Ok Im gonna be serious now.

Sykora for Jason Blake, Mapletoft and a 5th. I think Isles wouold do it, plus Sykora is fairly cheap too.
That is not a bad offer, talent-wise, assuming the Ducks don't mind giving up the best player in the deal in exchange for a reduction on payroll. But would NYI be willing to take on an additional $2M? Unlikely.

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Richard Zednik for Oleg Kvasha and 3rd
If NYI, for some reason, does not keep Kvasha at center, I'd be very tempted to make that deal. For Zednik is clearly a more productive offensive winger than Kvasha. You lose size ( Darth ) and Kvasha could emerge, but Zednik is a proven commodity, can play either side, and has the speed and left shot Yashin needs on his side. Kvasha is miscast on wing; I believe he could be an impact player down the middle...which begs the question: where would he play in Montreal? They are set at center.


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OK, so now you've traded an unproductive headcase to the Isles. Where is the top line winger for Yashin?

In this thread, we're seeing the standard list of smallish semi-productive guys (like Whitney, Sanderson) and 3rd line types (Dupis). Its also only a matter of time before somebody comes along and tries to convince us that a not-yet-established guy (like Senja on St. Louis) is going to take the next step forward and should be the winger for Yashin. None of these guys is close to being the answer.

My personal opinion: Isles budget is maxed out. They don't have room to pay a guy that could really help. And, they really don't have much depth in any position (spare me the Hamrlik trade stuff. Who do you want to take his place - Radnek Martinek?). I think the EVIL ONE signaled exactly what his plan was when he talked about Parrish being the top line winger (which, btw, I do not expect to work).

I'm guessing you'll see a top line next year built around Yashin and Hunter, with Parrish and Peca on the second line. Weinhandl will probably be shifted to the off wing and will play on those two lines, and Blake will get the other slot (even though he is not a two six winger).


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If NYI, for some reason, does not keep Kvahsa at center, I'd be very tempted to make that deal. For Zednik is clearly a more productive offensive winger than Kvasha. You lose size ( Darth ) and Kvasha could emerge, but Zednik is a proven commodity, can play either side, and has the speed and left shot Yashin needs on his side. Kvasha is miscast on wing; I believe he could be an impact player down the middle...which begs the question: where would he play in Montreal? They are set at center.

That was the one deal here that really favors the Isles.

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Richard Zednik for Oleg Kvasha and 3rd
No way in hell the Habs do this deal. We need to keep our goal scorer. We have enough playmaker with Saku and Ribeiro

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Its ... only a matter of time before somebody comes along and tries to convince us that a not-yet-established guy (like Senja on St. Louis) is going to take the next step forward and should be the winger for Yashin.
Well, so much for the trade proposal I was going to make...

...and it's spelled S-E-J-N-A, dammit. Learn it, live it, love it... 'cause he's the next big thing.

Seriously, Darth, I think you hit the nail on the head. The Isles don't have the $$$ to pay a FA (say Glenn Murray or Pavol Demitra) to play with Yashin, and they don't really have any trade chips that have a lot of value to other teams. If they were willing to swap a Niinimaa or a Hunter, they might get something, but they're not gonna find a top-line winger -- or even a reasonable facsimile thereof -- for Radek Martinek and a prospect.

As a fan of a team stuck with a few bloated long-term contracts, I feel your pain with Yashin. I wouldn't pay that joker a dime to play for me. All the talent in the world, but he needs a visit to the Wizard of Oz... no heart, no brain, no courage.

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