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will we ever forgive kessel?

View Poll Results: are we ready to forgive kessel
no special reason... but no 23 17.04%
no kid is a freak and/or mercenary 8 5.93%
too much fun gloating over this trade 42 31.11%
yes kid has paid enough dues 62 45.93%
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10-20-2011, 09:55 AM
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That was something they had no choice on. You support a guy through cancer or destroy your PR by looking like a gang of *******. That's something you expect of an employer, it's not going above and beyond.

Any employer who would do anything less to an employee battling cancer is a collection of human waste that does not deserve the loyalty of anyone.

When they had a chance to make a statement in full support of Kessel, either by word or dead, the Bruins never wasted an opportunity to fail to do so. And the fans picked up on that which fed into a lot of the Kessel hate. Maybe they were just trying to push him to improve his game, but if you don't temper that kinda thing with a bit of love, it's just gonna kill the relationship with your employee.

Bruins seem to have learned their lesson. At least we can hope so. Some of the guys about to crack the roster like Khokhlechev aren't going to be much more advanced defensively than Kessel was.

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10-20-2011, 09:56 AM
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I don't like the way he left at all. Obviously no one outside the organization really knows what happened, but it definitely looked like he screwed the Bruins over by demanding a trade. But we one the Cup and stacked ourselves up for the future at the same time, so how can you be mad?

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10-20-2011, 09:58 AM
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HE screwed the BRUINS over?

Besides, he didn't demand a trade. He exercised his RFA rights to negotiate with other teams, and reached a point in the negotiation with Burke where Burke felt he could sign him at a price that he (Burke) was willing to pay. The trade only happened because Burke didn't want to be a hypocrite after he himself was very loud in his denunciation of offer sheets back when he was with Anaheim.

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10-20-2011, 09:59 AM
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Thank You Kessel!

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the kid has a weird personality... and had a couple weird illness when he was with us... and took awhile to gain the coaches confidence... and then eventually wanted a big payday. over his first few years he had some cold periods.

his one year he stayed mostly healthy and played with a legit center... he ended up with over 40 goals in 82 games. i know this counts his playoff time, but lets be honest... playoff goals count more then regular season goals anyhow

we had our fun the last 2 years getting the high picks so it all ended up good for us. is it time now to forgive him and wish him the best? personally i hold no ill will to ex bruins. i hate that we speak such venom over thornton even to this day. the guy won a freaking mvp award and alot of us still snicker that he had no playoff success. hockey is a team game

so little poll on the night he returns on the hottest run of his career. hes leading the league in scoring and looking every bit the first overall pick he was expected to be most of his draft year. he has gotten stronger... hes outbattling people for the puck now... blowing past them... making his own offense... appearing unstoppable at times

he looks a hell of a lot like ovechkin the way hes playing now

lazer shot... high speed top end skills... drive and determination

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Forgive him? I Thank him! Because of his greediness and selfishness we got Seguin, Knight, Hamilton and The Stanley Cup!

Thank You Kessel!

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10-20-2011, 10:00 AM
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HE screwed the BRUINS over?
Well in the end, no. But it certainly looked like he put them into a precarious situation. Chiarelli's the man.

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10-20-2011, 10:01 AM
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Kessel went after the money.

That is absolutely fine. Good for him.

But you don't get to have it both ways. You don't get to go for top-dollar, and still expect the fans to love you when you do.

Kessel was immensely popular when he was here. And he seemed to be a big part of what was being built. Fans feel like he left them. Understandable. If fans start being completely logical and rational you won't have actual fans anymore, and none of this would work.

I don't begrudge Phil's decision. I just don't have to be thrilled about it and like him.

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10-20-2011, 10:02 AM
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When that "nice chunk of cash" was only about 60% of what you could get on the open market, "holes in your game" and all, it really isn't likely that a player's going to take that kind of discount. Especially a guy like Kessel who neither the fans, nor the ownership, have gone out of their way to make welcome in the first place.

Remember, Kessel was an RFA. Kessel was under no obligation to sign unless he saw a deal he liked. It wasn't like he was under contract and shot his way out of town, the onus was on Chia to handle his asset, and he fumbled him to the point that Burke was able to come in with an offer sheet Kessel was prepared to sign, and dictate the deal on that basis.

So everyone's up in arms because unlike most RFA, Kessel had the unmitigated gall to actually use his rights?

Seriously, that's what we're in a huff over?
Chia and other members of the management here have made it clear that they value things like attitude, team play, and leadership a hell of a lot more than "god given" gifts.

Bottomline. Kessel slipped in the draft because of a poor work ethic & poor attitude. Those were the exact same complaints coming out of Boston right about the time they started to float his name around. These are the exact same complaints that keep filtering down from the Hockey Mecca now. Hard to now chalk all this up to coincidence.

PS. Lucic signed a deal w/ 1 year left on his ELC Oct 6th, 2009. Kessel was traded Sept 19th, 2009. The Lucic signing had nothing to do with the team not having the funds to pay Kessel. It was actually the other way around where Boston now had the funds to lock up a player they saw as a bigger part of their future. Also I could have sworn the team offered him 4.25m which at the time was the same money Patrice Bergeron was making (who had a couple 70 pts seasons under his belt when he signed that contract) and was .5m more than the team gave Krejci who had 13 more pts than Kessel that season.

It's hard to justify making an investment in someone who doesn't seem to care, doesn't gel well with those who you have locked up long term, doesn't want to work with the coach, and doesn't bring anything other than scoring to your team.

Do I blame Kessel for leaving? No. He wasn't happy here. Do I blame Ownership, Management, and Coaching for making the decision they made when he made it all to easy for them to make it? No. Because it's becoming increasing clear he may never be happy anywhere.

So long, good riddance, and good luck Phil.

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10-20-2011, 10:02 AM
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Chiarelli put himself in that situation. He had the open cap to sign Kessel if he'd wanted to. I'm not even going to say that his decision to sign Krejci, Thomas, Wideman and Morris first was wrong, but don't pretend that Chia didn't make a number of decisions that fed into that whole mess.

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10-20-2011, 10:04 AM
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It's not like he completely disregarded Kessel before signing the other players. He made an offer he deemed fair, and when Kessel wouldn't budge, he had to take care of his other responsibilities.

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No I don't. I refuse to understand or condone this. Blue collar or not, you've negotiated a contract at least once in your life, either to buy a house, buy a car, get a job, something. And you have some understanding of what loyalty really is -- you do if you're happily married anyway.

Loyalty needs to be two-way. If the team isn't showing any loyalty to Kessel, the fans of that team don't get to scream when Kessel doesn't show any loyalty to the team. And the team had shown no loyalty to Kessel at all in that entire offseason, up to and including the trade of Kessel that they'd already pulled the trigger on, only to wind up still having Kessel on the roster because the deal fell through due to a mutual misunderstanding.

Also the Bruins signed multiple other players to contracts that reflected their true skill level that season and offseason. Thomas. Krejci. Lucic, Wideman's arb award probably features as well. I think Hunwick got away with some money as well. Heck, for that matter, did they sign Derek Morris before Kessel was traded? Because I think I remember them doing that. But they weren't prepared, even when they'd had that cap space before they'd signed those other Bruins, to take care of Kessel. That says something, and it's getting much too little attention.

Basically, why the **** would anyone be loyal to a company that isn't loyal to them? And when Kessel's an RFA, and they don't come through with an offer he's prepared to live with, why the **** should we expect him to settle for the least bad deal we'll offer him when he had the right to go get a better deal? Why are we screaming at a man for exercising his union-granted rights? Go yell at the NHLPA if you have a problem with what Kessel did. He had a right to do it, and nothing the team did vis-a-vis Kessel in the prior 12 months could be honestly called an action taken to persuate him not to. Both sides were just done with each other, and came out well in the end anyway. There's nothing to forgive here.
You're too easily dismissing the regional culture that's at play.

Boston is, at its roots, a blue collar city. Bostonians embrace and applaud hard work and loyalty, almost more than success. Bostonians are also extremely proud -- we're proud of our city and to be from here.

An athlete can have all the talent in the world, and if he doesn't have the right attitude/respect for where he's playing, he might never be fully embraced. Sure, fans will buy his jersey and cheer him on, but even the most talented player needs to "get it" to fully be embraced here.

Trot Nixon became a cult hero around these parts. It wasn't because of his blistering batting average or defensive prowess, it was because of his dirt dog, leave it all out on the field attitude. Shawn Thornton is also beloved in the city. Why? Because he works hard, doesn't put up with ****, and has embraced Boston as his home. He's one of us, we can identify with him, and we like that. Grinders/pluggers like these guys are beloved in Boston, while some other high performers have been run out of/laughed out of town because they have the wrong attitude for this city.

You can't dismiss the blue collar culture of this city, especially among hockey fans, as easily as you are.

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You're too easily dismissing the regional culture that's at play.

Boston is, at its roots, a blue collar city. Bostonians embrace and applaud hard work and loyalty, almost more than success. Bostonians are also extremely proud -- we're proud of our city and to be from here.

An athlete can have all the talent in the world, and if he doesn't have the right attitude/respect for where he's playing, he might never be fully embraced. Sure, fans will buy his jersey and cheer him on, but even the most talented player needs to "get it" to fully be embraced here.

Trot Nixon became a cult hero around these parts. It wasn't because of his blistering batting average or defensive prowess, it was because of his dirt dog, leave it all out on the field attitude. Shawn Thornton is also beloved in the city. Why? Because he works hard, doesn't put up with ****, and has embraced Boston as his home. He's one of us, we can identify with him, and we like that. Grinders/pluggers like these guys are beloved in Boston, while some other high performers have been run out of/laughed out of town because they have the wrong attitude for this city.

You can't dismiss the blue collar culture of this city, especially among hockey fans, as easily as you are.
Awesome job Kate. Really.

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You're too easily dismissing the regional culture that's at play.

Boston is, at its roots, a blue collar city. Bostonians embrace and applaud hard work and loyalty, almost more than success. Bostonians are also extremely proud -- we're proud of our city and to be from here.

An athlete can have all the talent in the world, and if he doesn't have the right attitude/respect for where he's playing, he might never be fully embraced. Sure, fans will buy his jersey and cheer him on, but even the most talented player needs to "get it" to fully be embraced here.

Trot Nixon became a cult hero around these parts. It wasn't because of his blistering batting average or defensive prowess, it was because of his dirt dog, leave it all out on the field attitude. Shawn Thornton is also beloved in the city. Why? Because he works hard, doesn't put up with ****, and has embraced Boston as his home. He's one of us, we can identify with him, and we like that. Grinders/pluggers like these guys are beloved in Boston, while some other high performers have been run out of/laughed out of town because they have the wrong attitude for this city.

You can't dismiss the blue collar culture of this city, especially among hockey fans, as easily as you are.
I'm not saying that there wasn't a reason it happened, Kate. In fact there almost had to have been, since it did. But come on, take half a second to see Kessel's side of this.

And if Boston is so utterly closed minded that we can't put up with any skill-first players on this team (not just Kessel, a lot of skillsy guys have gotten the same treatment here if they don't produce, and produce prodigiously) then the team will always be weaker than it should be because there's whole categories if players that we have closed ourselves off from in a Yawkey style self-sabotage.

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Entirely too much happiness in this tread.

I cannot wait to boooooooooooo the **** out of him tonight.

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I'm probably one of the very few here that is and was a big fan of Kessel's. When he's not playing against Boston, I wish the kid nothing but the best and hope that he has a great season. I do miss seeing him zip up the ice on a breakaway, and do feel he's a decent player.

I have no reason to hate the kid, he did what most of us would do in real life- he took a better paying job at another company doing the same work. Which one of us wouldn't take more money elsewhere doing the exact same work?

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This seems like the rare trade that benefitted both franchises.

Kessel 7 goals
Bruins team 11 goals

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Entirely too much happiness in this tread.

I cannot wait to boooooooooooo the **** out of him tonight.
so you won't be sporting an old 81 B's jersey and giving him a standing O like that guy who did same for Thornton when he came back to the fleetcenter for the 1st time?

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This seems like the rare trade that benefitted both franchises.

Kessel 7 goals
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+ a Cup

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I could never feel any ill will towards Thornton. I still love that guy.

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Boston is, at its roots, a blue collar city. Bostonians embrace and applaud hard work and loyalty, almost more than success. Bostonians are also extremely proud -- we're proud of our city and to be from here.



You can't dismiss the blue collar culture of this city, especially among hockey fans, as easily as you are.
Wait a minute- people forgive Bourque for leaving to win the Cup, while some others felt hurt and betrayed that he left Boston when he did. Both him and Kessel did it for different reasons, but the result was the same- both left Boston to pursue what they both wished for. Why don't people boo Bourque when he's at the Garden? If people love loyalty so much, why aren't they angry at him?

Also, Dennis Wideman didn't want to leave Boston, in spite of the way he was treated at times by the fans at home, yet he gets booed every time he comes here. Why does he get booed, when he wanted to stay?

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i dont get what this is supposed to mean
it means;

a) he was ill with cancer which would greatly impact his on ice and off ice demeanor.
b) if he's a 40 goal scorer and Chia was low balling him, he could and did get his money else where. 3M is a joke for a player of his caliber, especially after the year that he had in 08-09.

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I'm probably one of the very few here that is and was a big fan of Kessel's. When he's not playing against Boston, I wish the kid nothing but the best and hope that he has a great season. I do miss seeing him zip up the ice on a breakaway, and do feel he's a decent player.

I have no reason to hate the kid, he did what most of us would do in real life- he took a better paying job at another company doing the same work. Which one of us wouldn't take more money elsewhere doing the exact same work?
Since when is professional sports real life? You cant go and assault someone from another company and get away with it either.


He betrayed the Bruins, does not play for him anymore, the booo's clearly get to him, why not exploit it?

I know I am a bit different. I dont get excited to see big time players come and play the Bruins because I want to see their skill. I love to see big name players come to play boston and fail. Kessel is not my friend, I dont know him in real life, so why should I care about his feelings?

The really only things us fans can do is try to get the opposition off their game. Why not try it?

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Thanks Kate, couldn't have said it better. I can't really fault dojji for feeling the way he does, he lives in Maine (an as far as I know didn't grow up in mass) and is primarily a baseball fan first. Just difference of opinions.


And...exactly Morris. Haha. At the very least it's just too much fun to boo him an mock him

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so you won't be sporting an old 81 B's jersey and giving him a standing O like that guy who did same for Thornton when he came back to the fleetcenter for the 1st time?
I want Kessel to get a hat trick and the Bruins to win!

Yay, happy times for everyone!

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Entirely too much happiness in this tread.

I cannot wait to boooooooooooo the **** out of him tonight.
i am pretty indifferent. this situation has happened in hockey before.

i was upset when the deal originally happened because I didn't think PC got enough.

I don't think that anymore.

I am still convinced he isn't the player to build a contender around, but I could be wrong.

as for the quote above. Do you're best Chris, we are counting on you!!

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