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10-19-2011, 09:56 PM
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Question About Mike Richter's Debut

Why was it in the playoffs?

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Why was it in the playoffs?
didnt anisimov make his debut in the playoffs?

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didnt anisimov make his debut in the playoffs?
I don't think so... I'm pretty sure that was Lauri Korpikoski.

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they were down in the series 3-0. vanbiesbrouck was the normal starter and he looked bad. bob froese was the backup and he looked bad too. richter was a rising star with the denver rangers and esposito wanted to get some energy into his team going into game 4.

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Phil Esposito didn't know what he was doing. He fired Michel Bergeron with 2 games remaining in the regular season. Espo went behind the bench. The Rangers lost both of those games and then were swept by Pittsburgh. Espo was fired 6 weeks later.

Espo fired Ted Sator in 1986 and went behind the bench. He hired Tom Webster a few weeks later as coach who came down with an ear ailment. Espo went back behind the bench when Webster couldn't travel.

Esposito hired Bergeron after agreeing to trade a #1 pick to Quebec. Bergeron didn't last two seasons as Rangers coach. They fought everyday during those 2 years.

Espo gave Mike Richter the start in game 4 because the Rangers were going to lose the series so why not see what the Rangers had in Richter. How bad can Richter be when the two Rangers #1 goalies couldn't stop a beach ball? Phil traded for Bob Froese 6 months after John Vanbiesbrouck won the Vezina because he wanted a Ed Giacomin/Gilles Villemure tandem. Both goalies would split the games. It would be like Glen Sather signing Tomas Vokoun to share the net with Lundqvist.

Crazy.

Tony Amonte and Doug Weight made the pro debuts in the 1991 playoffs. Straight out of the NCAA. Different rules.

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10-20-2011, 06:48 AM
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Esposito is one of the worst things to have ever happened in the long history of the New York Rangers.

Including the trade that brought him here.

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Esposito is one of the worst things to have ever happened in the long history of the New York Rangers.

Including the trade that brought him here.
New Years Day 1997: Mike Ridley & Kelly Miller for Bobby Carpenter

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10-20-2011, 08:29 AM
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I don't think so... I'm pretty sure that was Lauri Korpikoski.
Korpikoski made his debut in the playoffs and scored against the Penguins, yes. I too originally thought Anisimov made his debut in the playoffs against the Capitals, but I looked it up and he played one game in the regular season for us that year.

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Bob Froese became a pastor. His wife is also part of the church staff.

http://faithfellowship.us/staff.html

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New Years Day 1997: Mike Ridley & Kelly Miller for Bobby Carpenter
I think you mean 1987....

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Phil Esposito didn't know what he was doing. He fired Michel Bergeron with 2 games remaining in the regular season. Espo went behind the bench. The Rangers lost both of those games and then were swept by Pittsburgh. Espo was fired 6 weeks later.

Espo fired Ted Sator in 1986 and went behind the bench. He hired Tom Webster a few weeks later as coach who came down with an ear ailment. Espo went back behind the bench when Webster couldn't travel.

Esposito hired Bergeron after agreeing to trade a #1 pick to Quebec. Bergeron didn't last two seasons as Rangers coach. They fought everyday during those 2 years.

Espo gave Mike Richter the start in game 4 because the Rangers were going to lose the series so why not see what the Rangers had in Richter. How bad can Richter be when the two Rangers #1 goalies couldn't stop a beach ball? Phil traded for Bob Froese 6 months after John Vanbiesbrouck won the Vezina because he wanted a Ed Giacomin/Gilles Villemure tandem. Both goalies would split the games. It would be like Glen Sather signing Tomas Vokoun to share the net with Lundqvist.

Crazy.

Tony Amonte and Doug Weight made the pro debuts in the 1991 playoffs. Straight out of the NCAA. Different rules.
was just going to post the same thing.

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I remember it well. I was in 7th grade. They had missed the play-offs in 88 (f you johnnie mac), got beat handily by the Flyers in the first round in 87, had gone to the conference finals in 86, got killed by philly in the first round in 85. 89, they were having their best regular season in a few years, Leetch and Granato were the two best rookies in the league. They were battling for the division, faltered in March a bit. He fired Bergeron with 2 games left. First game they got beat in Pittsburgh (I think pretty badly, too) which allowed Pitt to clinch 2nd place and home-ice in the first round. Then lost the finale to the Isles. It was Pittsburgh's first time in the play-offs in about 6 years or so. Lemieux's first trip to the play-offs, and it was over before it even started.

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I think you mean 1987....
Correct. Typo. I remember waking up on January 1st and seeing the NY Post.

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10-20-2011, 11:20 AM
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Richter not only played well in the IHL, but he was Team USA's goalie at the 1988 Olympics. He actually beat out Chris Terreri for the nod, and Terreri was an NCAA legend.

But to answer the question: Richter was given a chance in 1989 just like Corey Hirsch was given a chance in 1993. Both goalies sucked at the time (Beezer and Froese in 1989, Beezer and Richter in 1993).

IIRC, Espo pissed off everybody but starting Froese in game 1 instead of Beezer. Mario Lemieux was actually held in check for most of the series by Jan Erixon. Lemieux had 199 points in the regular season, buit was held to five points in four games by Erixon.

Fatso might as well have made his NHL debut in the playoffs. It was his fifth or sixth career game. LOL, the beginning of a nightmarish playoff career against the Rangers

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Correct. Typo. I remember waking up on January 1st and seeing the NY Post.
That was such a sad, sad day. I tell all the younger Rangers fans I know that it would have been like trading Dubinsky and Callahan for Jonathan Cheechoo, except Cheechoo played in the division!!!!

And to top it all off, he made the trade less than a year from the 1986 playoffs, when Ridley and Miller became fan favorites.

In 1992, they could have had a lineup with Leetch, Granato, Kelly and Kevin Miller, Ridley, Beezer, Richter, Dahlen, Patrick, Amonte, Weight, Turcotte.........Yeesh...

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The real problem with the Miller/Ridley trade was that he then traded Carpenter for Marcel Dionne (or gave him as compensation for signing Dionne as a FA). Carpenter was a 2nd or 3rd overall pick, and scored 50+ goals as a 21 year old. Was not having a good season with Washington in 86-87, but then Esposito only gave him about 20 games before trading him again. After he was traded to LA, I think he scored 25 a few times, maybe 26 or 27, but don't think he ever cracked 30 again.

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New Years Day 1997: Mike Ridley & Kelly Miller for Bobby Carpenter
that trade is the reason the league currently has a trade freeze during the holidays.

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For me the 2 worst trades in my Ranger lifetime:

1) Ridley and Miller for Carpenter, then Dionne.

2) Laperriere, Norstrom, Ferraro for Churla, McSorley, and Jari Kurri. 1996. Rangers had 2 good scoring lines that year. Messier, Graves,Verbeek were lighting it up. Second line of Ferraro-Puke Robetelli (he was actually good his first year) and Kovalev were doing real well. Think all 6 broke 20 goals as did Sundstrom on the 3rd line. But, Mess convinced Neil Smith they needed more toughness and size for the Devils and Flyers in the play-offs. Devils didn't make the play-offs, they never played the Flyers and were beat by the speedy Penguins. Lost the division in march when they lost their last 5 or 6 games in a row to end the season. Norstrom went on to be a solid Dman, and Laperriere a solid 3rd line checker/agitator. McSorley did a lot of nothing as did Kurri. Churla was a punching bag for Stu Grimmson.

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That was such a sad, sad day. I tell all the younger Rangers fans I know that it would have been like trading Dubinsky and Callahan for Jonathan Cheechoo, except Cheechoo played in the division!!!!

And to top it all off, he made the trade less than a year from the 1986 playoffs, when Ridley and Miller became fan favorites.

In 1992, they could have had a lineup with Leetch, Granato, Kelly and Kevin Miller, Ridley, Beezer, Richter, Dahlen, Patrick, Amonte, Weight, Turcotte.........Yeesh...
and two guys named Graves and Messier

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The real problem with the Miller/Ridley trade was that he then traded Carpenter for Marcel Dionne (or gave him as compensation for signing Dionne as a FA). Carpenter was a 2nd or 3rd overall pick, and scored 50+ goals as a 21 year old. Was not having a good season with Washington in 86-87, but then Esposito only gave him about 20 games before trading him again. After he was traded to LA, I think he scored 25 a few times, maybe 26 or 27, but don't think he ever cracked 30 again.
Carpenter became a defensive specialist once he got to Boston. In fact, Milbury tried to use him to "shut down" Messier in the 1990 SCF, and Moose terrorized him.

The problem with old-ass Dionne was that he never wanted to leave LA. In fact, he cried in an interview on Prime Ticket saying "I don't want to leave LA".

Still, Dionne had a very good 1988 as a Ranger, and I think that season the Rangers set a then-NHL record for PP goals in a season.

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didnt anisimov make his debut in the playoffs?
i think he played 1 game at the end of the season for us, and 1 in the playoffs if im remembering correctly.

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For me the 2 worst trades in my Ranger lifetime:

1) Ridley and Miller for Carpenter, then Dionne.

2) Laperriere, Norstrom, Ferraro for Churla, McSorley, and Jari Kurri. 1996. Rangers had 2 good scoring lines that year. Messier, Graves,Verbeek were lighting it up. Second line of Ferraro-Puke Robetelli (he was actually good his first year) and Kovalev were doing real well. Think all 6 broke 20 goals as did Sundstrom on the 3rd line. But, Mess convinced Neil Smith they needed more toughness and size for the Devils and Flyers in the play-offs. Devils didn't make the play-offs, they never played the Flyers and were beat by the speedy Penguins. Lost the division in march when they lost their last 5 or 6 games in a row to end the season. Norstrom went on to be a solid Dman, and Laperriere a solid 3rd line checker/agitator. McSorley did a lot of nothing as did Kurri. Churla was a punching bag for Stu Grimmson.
Yours are good but for me...2 worst trades are:

Park, Ratelle and Zanussi for Espo and Vadnais

followed shortly by

Middleton for Hodge

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Anisimov's first game was on...Adam Graves Night 2/3/2009!!! He also played Game 7 in the Washington Series of course.

Ah, it's another bash Espo thread; here are some more facts; Carpenter was on a decline and was viewed as a prima donna in Washington. They were happy to get rid of him. He had come off major knee surgery the year before and never quite regained the speed/offense although he did have a solid 2nd career was someone mentioned as a defensive specialist on Boston and the Devils, with whom he won a Cup with in 1995. Esposito was trying to build a more offensive team and brought in goal scorers like Tony McKegnney and Walt Poddubny as well.

People also forget that for as ridiculous a GM as Esposito was (very ridiculous!) these were not the same Rangers; they were a cheap run team in the 80s with no real stars and didn't go about signing every big name UFA. So any way they could bring in offense, they tried to.

But trading a first rounder for a coach is ridiculous, as was the Mark Tinordi trade. And Esposito's drafting was horrid with the exception of Tony Amonte.


The worst trade in franchise history though I think goes to the Zubov deal. Yes, 97 was a lot of fun, but can you imagine going into the 2000s with Leetch/Beuk/Zubov/Norstrom/Johnson/Zidlicky? Perfect.

Also more on the coaching stuff; we all know the veteran players hated Ted Sator and he was the main reason why Pavelich retired and Reijo Ruotsolanian went back to Europe.

The Tom Webster thing was a joke though; the guy can't travel because of ear problems yet coaches LA a year later who travels 10x more than the Rangers. Both Esposito and Webster were clowns.

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Richter,s Debut, I remember it well as it was my first playoff game. I remember the fans being disgusted and not into it at all. The best part was meeting 2 girls on the train back to Long Island and ending up in some bar
I know I have the ticket stub but I couldn,t find it but I did find some interesting ones.
A ticket I got from my father 11/8/1950 against Toronto(Marked Silver Jubilee 25th anniversary) Section 109 $4.50
My first games 10/10/71(opening night) and 11/14/71 Section 413 $5
1/16/83 (possibly VBK,s first Shutout) Section 324 $12
1/2/85 section 434 $11
1/16/86 Section 322 $14
4/8/96 section 405$20
10/22/97 section 405 $22.50
1/21/97 Section 318 $31
1/19/03 Section 414 $29.50
I know I went to VBK,s first shutout against Vancouver but I am not sure of the date.
I just thought it was interesting based on the prices of a sampling of my ticket stubs that I have kept how prices have raised over the years

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Anisimov's first game was on...Adam Graves Night 2/3/2009!!! He also played Game 7 in the Washington Series of course.

Ah, it's another bash Espo thread; here are some more facts; Carpenter was on a decline and was viewed as a prima donna in Washington. They were happy to get rid of him. He had come off major knee surgery the year before and never quite regained the speed/offense although he did have a solid 2nd career was someone mentioned as a defensive specialist on Boston and the Devils, with whom he won a Cup with in 1995. Esposito was trying to build a more offensive team and brought in goal scorers like Tony McKegnney and Walt Poddubny as well.

People also forget that for as ridiculous a GM as Esposito was (very ridiculous!) these were not the same Rangers; they were a cheap run team in the 80s with no real stars and didn't go about signing every big name UFA. So any way they could bring in offense, they tried to.

But trading a first rounder for a coach is ridiculous, as was the Mark Tinordi trade. And Esposito's drafting was horrid with the exception of Tony Amonte.


The worst trade in franchise history though I think goes to the Zubov deal. Yes, 97 was a lot of fun, but can you imagine going into the 2000s with Leetch/Beuk/Zubov/Norstrom/Johnson/Zidlicky? Perfect.

Also more on the coaching stuff; we all know the veteran players hated Ted Sator and he was the main reason why Pavelich retired and Reijo Ruotsolanian went back to Europe.

The Tom Webster thing was a joke though; the guy can't travel because of ear problems yet coaches LA a year later who travels 10x more than the Rangers. Both Esposito and Webster were clowns.
Another thing that tends to get overlooked is that for Esposito to get Michel Bergeron to coach the Rangers, they had to surrender the 5th overall pick of the 1988 draft. The Nords ended up drafting Daniel Dore, who was a major, major bust. But chances are, the Rangerd would have drafted a forward.

The 1st five forwards taken after Dore -- Scott Pearson, Martin Gelinas, Jeremy Roenick, Rod Brind'amour and Teemu Selanne



Espo also traded Walt Poddubny (RIP) after seasons of 40 and 38 goals for Jason Lafreniere, Jari Gronstrand and Normand Rochefort.

Man, he was trash

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