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10-21-2011, 08:38 AM
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Future D core

Subban
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10-21-2011, 09:00 AM
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Diaz to me has a ton of poise and I find he's insanely brilliant on the ice. His actual skill level is well above average, thus I think he has the potential to really break-out in this league.

Weber to me is the complete , smarter version of MAB ... occassional brain farts (as opposed to MAB's countless farts)but still a great asset to have overall.. not nearly as complete as Diaz.

Those two will be with us for many years.
Though it is pretty early to say... this is how I see it as well.

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10-21-2011, 09:03 AM
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Weber + 3, Diaz + 1, Subban -6.
Just saying.
Quite a good start for them, Diaz will still need some time to improve. In a Swiss newspaper he said, that he has to forget to play like in the Swiss League and adapt to the NA-style in the coming weeks.
Diaz and Weber don't play in PK and against the first line.

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10-21-2011, 09:05 AM
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You cannot convert Diaz into a physical defensemen. He's a smart guy with a very good hockey-sense, he can pass, shoot, fake and he also defends like that, with a lot of intelligence, not with pure force. If you can accept this and maybe pair him with a good physical defender he can have a long nhl-career.
Do we have one of those?

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10-21-2011, 09:08 AM
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From what I have seen so far Diaz is to me the best defender this year..Any opinions?
You'll have to define "best defender". He's definitely stepped in and played well, but he isn't our best defenseman, Gorges and Subban are better though they each had tough games lately.

Definitely a nice signing by PG.

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10-21-2011, 09:08 AM
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Diaz and Weber don't play in PK and against the first line.
PK doesn't count for +/-

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Do we have one of those?
Hehe, that's maybe the problem.
But since Diaz is playing with Gill he also looks better, it helps him a lot.

But in my opinion the Habs should be more concerned about their offensive talent. Defensive talent is there, they probably need some time to adjust, but I just cannot see much offensive potential.

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10-21-2011, 09:30 AM
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PK doesn't count for +/-



Hehe, that's maybe the problem.
But since Diaz is playing with Gill he also looks better, it helps him a lot.

But in my opinion the Habs should be more concerned about their offensive talent. Defensive talent is there, they probably need some time to adjust, but I just cannot see much offensive potential.
Well our talent on the blue line lack a physical edge IMO. Our offensive talent lacks the same.
Don`t get me wrong, I like Diaz, Weber and the rest of our D but better balance is needed.

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10-21-2011, 09:53 AM
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I wouldn't say that. Emelin, Subban and Gorges have physical potential. Diaz and Weber not, that's true.

On the offensive side the Habs are not only missing the physical play, they lack a lot more.

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10-21-2011, 10:09 AM
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I wouldn't say that. Emelin, Subban and Gorges have physical potential. Diaz and Weber not, that's true.

On the offensive side the Habs are not only missing the physical play, they lack a lot more.
Well Subban will punish you cutting across, so yes there.

Yemelin will trow the hip at you so yes.

Gorges usely takes the hit and makes a play, yes he is tough.

But no one brakes anything infront of the net. The only one with the size is Yemelin and he like to deliver big hits and has only 5 or 6 NHL game experience.

What I mean is Subban can get pushed around in the defensive zone, Gorges to will get pushed but with difficulty. Yemelin is a rookie , Weber has always gotten pushed around and with Diaz looking like a more seasoned Weber, too gets pushed around and he too is a rookie.

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10-21-2011, 10:21 AM
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Diaz and Weber don't play in PK and against the first line.
First of all, yes they do play PK. Second of all, PK has nothing to do with plus/minus.

Subban had been brutal.. His mistakes are not defendable by saying he plays better opponents. If anything, that would just make he seem more dumb for trying those per-wee things against NHLers.

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10-21-2011, 10:30 AM
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I like Emelin better. He is the complete package.

I think once Markov and Spacek are healthy, Weber gets traded ala O'Byrne for another kind of Bournival prospect.

Markov Gorges
Emelin Subban
Gill Diaz
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10-21-2011, 10:43 AM
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Diaz

Just as long as the Habs don't do what they did with O'Byrne, Mc Donagh(sp) SK, so right lots of guys asking for or suspecting Weber will be gone, God no keep him, along with Kristo, don't trade any of these yong gus, move Gill, Spacek if you can, dump Gomez, if you are going to misuse Cole then move him I guess, I hope not, but first & formost get rid of Martin, I said the same thing last year, boring, boring boring.

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10-21-2011, 02:59 PM
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I like Diaz a lot so far, but I would like him better as a 6th or 7th just so he doesn't have too much pressure. Right now this defense unit is way too young and he must do too much for his experience.

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10-21-2011, 06:16 PM
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Im happy that some of you are starting to picture Diaz in the future plans of the team.. Ive been pretty high on this signing since the begin, he started slowly at the camp but the improving cruve is impressing..

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10-21-2011, 10:34 PM
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I'd like to see him on our top PP unit, he's smart with the puck and he's good at getting shots to the net.

Very impressed with how well he's adapted, thought he'd need a couple months at least in the AHL.
I dont understand why Plecky plays as a point man on the PP, get Diaz in there!

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10-21-2011, 11:10 PM
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Diaz is what I expected Weber to be. Now, don't get me wrong, Weber has been good too, but not as good as I envisionned him to become... Diaz is better positionally and gets his shot through the traffic more regularly. I think they could both have a sot on the team long term, but then it'S a very offensive right side (Weber-Diaz-Subban), we'D really need to keep Gorges, Emelin, and we'd need another good defensive dman (hard hitting, preferably) as 7th, possibly top 4 if Markov never comes back the same.

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10-21-2011, 11:52 PM
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I kindda wish he'd have a couple dozen games in the AHL to adapt to the physical side of things and the speed of play, and boost his confidence on the PP, but given the situation he's done real well for us

Very nice pick-up, that's for sure !

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10-22-2011, 02:59 AM
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Paron the Pun!

But Glen told ya so!

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10-22-2011, 08:08 AM
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Bob Hartley on Diaz: (In french) http://www.planetehockey.com/imagesUp/news/28606-1.pdf

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I did not like Diaz during the pre-season and I wanted him to start the year in hamilton. But I have to admit that I like his work right now. He is maybe our best defenseman

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