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08-30-2004, 11:58 AM
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European defense

I have a little wondering, what do you guys who follow Philadelphia regurarly think about that the defense only consists of european players? I know Desjardins will be back when he has healed from his injuries, but even then 6 of 7 d-men are european. Is it possible to win the Stanley Cup with this core, or do you need some NA players to fill out with? I'm just wondering, 'cause I know such discussions have been made, especially considering Ottawa's forwards.

Philly d: Danny Markov, Vlad Malakhov, Mattias Timander, Kim Johnsson, Marcus Ragnarsson, Joni Pitkänen, Dennis Seidenberg, (Eric Desjardins).

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I have a little wondering, what do you guys who follow Philadelphia regurarly think about that the defense only consists of european players? I know Desjardins will be back when he has healed from his injuries, but even then 6 of 7 d-men are european. Is it possible to win the Stanley Cup with this core, or do you need some NA players to fill out with? I'm just wondering, 'cause I know such discussions have been made, especially considering Ottawa's forwards.

Philly d: Danny Markov, Vlad Malakhov, Mattias Timander, Kim Johnsson, Marcus Ragnarsson, Joni Pitkänen, Dennis Seidenberg, (Eric Desjardins).

It's not where they're from that matters. It is if they can play or not. For the most part, I have no problem with our blueline. Maybe one muscle type player would be nice but all in all I like the Euro line up.

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Danny Markov is vicious enough to destroy the label that Euros are soft.

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Danny Markov is vicious enough to destroy the label that Euros are soft.
absolutely true. I think the whole "Europeans can't win the Cup" idea is just stupid. Fredrik Modin is European, Ruslan Fedotenko is European, Khabibulin is European, Kubina is European, did that stop the Lightning from winning the Cup? Each person I mention there was a key contributor. Our guys have skill and they are also pretty gritty, I have no worries about Europeans on the roster.

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It doesn't matter where they're from, if the can play, then they can play simple as that. If your going to ask me this question for the AHL then I would want all the players to be North American because Europeans if aren't in the NHL they don't want to play at all.

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I Agree

Euro or not, I like our blueliners.One heavy hitter would be nice ,but...

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IMO, adding a crease-clearing, hard-nosed, take-no-prisoners top-4 d-man would take Philly's defense to the next level (Top 5 in the league). Why was Richardson let go? He filled that position nicely. At the moment Markov is the only guy who plays a mean game and he's injury prone.

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IMO, adding a crease-clearing, hard-nosed, take-no-prisoners top-4 d-man would take Philly's defense to the next level (Top 5 in the league). Why was Richardson let go? He filled that position nicely. At the moment Markov is the only guy who plays a mean game and he's injury prone.
Richardson was not a top-4 player.

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Richardson was not a top-4 player.
On the contrary he most certainly was. He was actually top 3 on the Flyers back then after Desjardins and McGillis. Therien never was top 4 exept in Clarke's hallucinations. Nowadays he propably wouldn't be top 4 on the Flyers, though it's close with Ragnarsson.And Desjardins is getting up in age too not to mention slow as hell. On the Jackets Richardson is top 3 three still (which too much mins for him at this point in his career).

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if you didn't see the name on the back of his jersey, and just watche dhow he played, you'd think Markov was some small town kid western canada or minnesota

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We do need a Scott Stevens type d-man. And I don't care where he was born.

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On the contrary he most certainly was. He was actually top 3 on the Flyers back then after Desjardins and McGillis. Therien never was top 4 exept in Clarke's hallucinations. Nowadays he propably wouldn't be top 4 on the Flyers, though it's close with Ragnarsson.And Desjardins is getting up in age too not to mention slow as hell. On the Jackets Richardson is top 3 three still (which too much mins for him at this point in his career).
Richardson is a top 3 D man on the Jackets because the Jackets have the worst D in hockey right now. Look, I love Luke, but he isn't a great D man, and is a very poor skater. And now, he isn't even a fighter anymore. The Flyers need a tough guy on the back end, but Richardson isn't the answer.

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Danny Markov is vicious enough to destroy the label that Euros are soft.
And Marcus Ragnarsson is just as tough.

No worries about the number of Euros.

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And Marcus Ragnarsson is just as tough.

No worries about the number of Euros.
Yeah, even Timander tried to fight Chara in the brawl last year.

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Yeah, even Timander tried to fight Chara in the brawl last year.
Haha, I woudln't quite say that. Timmander was a suprise, but tough is not what I'd call him. That's like saying Somik is physical for getting his ass beat by Neil.

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On the contrary he most certainly was. He was actually top 3 on the Flyers back then after Desjardins and McGillis. Therien never was top 4 exept in Clarke's hallucinations. Nowadays he propably wouldn't be top 4 on the Flyers, though it's close with Ragnarsson.And Desjardins is getting up in age too not to mention slow as hell. On the Jackets Richardson is top 3 three still (which too much mins for him at this point in his career).
Richardson was a great player, but he struggled to put up 10 points in a season as I recall. Top 3 on the Jackets...have you looked at their D core lately...?

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Richardson was a great player, ...?

Nice player.................yes
Great........come on!!!

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Haha, I woudln't quite say that. Timmander was a suprise, but tough is not what I'd call him. That's like saying Somik is physical for getting his ass beat by Neil.
Yeah, but it shows he's got some bottle.


And how could you forget about Radovan "The Terror" Somik?

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I have a little wondering, what do you guys who follow Philadelphia regurarly think about that the defense only consists of european players? I know Desjardins will be back when he has healed from his injuries, but even then 6 of 7 d-men are european. Is it possible to win the Stanley Cup with this core, or do you need some NA players to fill out with? I'm just wondering, 'cause I know such discussions have been made, especially considering Ottawa's forwards.

Philly d: Danny Markov, Vlad Malakhov, Mattias Timander, Kim Johnsson, Marcus Ragnarsson, Joni Pitkänen, Dennis Seidenberg, (Eric Desjardins).
Now the question with this text is....What is the connection between the Philly defense and Ottawa's forwards.

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