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10-25-2011, 03:47 PM
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Toronto - Vancouver (Franson)

Looks like it might be a good chance for the Canucks to buy low on a local kid and bring him into the fold. What would the Leafs be looking for in return? Could a 4th get it done?

To Vancouver: Cody Franson

To Toronto: ???

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Looks like it might be a good chance for the Canucks to buy low on a local kid and bring him into the fold. What would the Leafs be looking for in return? Could a 4th get it done?

To Vancouver: Cody Franson

To Toronto: ???
no a 4th wouldn't get it done ...

burke would add assets to Franson to get a top 6er or at least something usefull

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I think Hodgson would get it done

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Looks like it might be a good chance for the Canucks to buy low on a local kid and bring him into the fold. What would the Leafs be looking for in return? Could a 4th get it done?

To Vancouver: Cody Franson

To Toronto: ???

the *******?

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My guess is Leafs would want a second, which isn't exactly that bad for Franson, but I could see his stock having fallen to a third. It depends on what we do with Tanev, who is better between the two. If he is moved, then I wouldn't mind bringing in Franson, since a full season of Alberts/Rome scares me.

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My guess is Leafs would want a second, which isn't exactly that bad for Franson, but I could see his stock having fallen to a third. It depends on what we do with Tanev, who is better between the two. If he is moved, then I wouldn't mind bringing in Franson, since a full season of Alberts/Rome scares me.
Maybe I'm wrong and he'll be traded tomorrow for a 3rd, but I realy can't see a 2nd or a 3rd getting it done, simply because what's the point in that? He's a good young player that has value - which is basically what you'd be getting out of a 2nd or 3rd.

He's either worth more than that by himself, he'll be part of a package for more, or he won't be traded.

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What's his cap hit?

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Wouldn't give up a 2nd in this draft for an AHL/NHL tweener

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What's his cap hit?
800k this year and next.

RFA after.

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My guess is Leafs would want a second, which isn't exactly that bad for Franson, but I could see his stock having fallen to a third. It depends on what we do with Tanev, who is better between the two. If he is moved, then I wouldn't mind bringing in Franson, since a full season of Alberts/Rome scares me.
Alot of my fellow Canucks fans continue to say this. At least the two play safe and physical games.

Frason, however, does neither. We dont need a pure offensive, slow skating, bottom pairing defensman!

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Wouldn't give up a 2nd in this draft for an AHL/NHL tweener
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Franson is an NHLer ...

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What's his cap hit?
800k through this year.


Why is this a proposal if there isn't an actual proposal...?

And a 4th wouldn't get it done. Probably closer to a 2nd + mid/low prospect, or, as mentioned before, Hodgson.

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Franson is not worth Hodgson, AINEC.

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Franson is an NHLer ...
Healthy scratch some nights.

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leafs traded a 4th for steckel.

im pretty sure it would cost more then a 4th for franson.

what about schroeder and a 4th for franson. franson could step in right away and play. schroeder might never make your team. its a gamble for toronto but we are sort of in a position to take a chance. schroeder is your 5th rated prospect so its valuable but not obscene

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Healthy scratch some nights.
he's better than Komisarek, but we can't scratch Komi every game

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Maybe I'm wrong and he'll be traded tomorrow for a 3rd, but I realy can't see a 2nd or a 3rd getting it done, simply because what's the point in that? He's a good young player that has value - which is basically what you'd be getting out of a 2nd or 3rd.

He's either worth more than that by himself, he'll be part of a package for more, or he won't be traded.
I'll agree, he is likely to be moved in a package, even as a thrown in for a better player. Value wise though, he wouldn't be worth anything more than a late second by himself. Toronto has a good defense pairing but he should be able to crack it and getting lost in the shuffle again isn't doing him any favors.

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Alot of my fellow Canucks fans continue to say this. At least the two play safe and physical games.

Frason, however, does neither. We dont need a pure offensive, slow skating, bottom pairing defensman!
They also frequently take themselves out of play doing that. Rome is terrible for doing precisely that and giving up a plethora of scoring chances for it. We have enough physicality from Ballard, Bieska, Hamhuis and Edler. Franson would be nice for his cannon shot. Who knows, we could develop him into a Ehrhoff lite, although that may be wishful thinking. It certainly is worth a late second to give it a try.

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Healthy scratch some nights.
He was never a healthy scratch in Nashville. Wilson is a tard. I'd take franson over liles komisarek and gunnarsson anyday! When he has played for leafs he looked good

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He was never a healthy scratch in Nashville. Wilson is a tard. I'd take franson over liles komisarek and gunnarsson anyday! When he has played for leafs he looked good
Liles >> Franson
Gunnarsson >>> Franson


Komisarek <<<< Franson

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10-25-2011, 04:18 PM
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I'll agree, he is likely to be moved in a package, even as a thrown in for a better player. Value wise though, he wouldn't be worth anything more than a late second by himself. Toronto has a good defense pairing but he should be able to crack it and getting lost in the shuffle again isn't doing him any favors.



They also frequently take themselves out of play doing that. Rome is terrible for doing precisely that and giving up a plethora of scoring chances for it. We have enough physicality from Ballard, Bieska, Hamhuis and Edler. Franson would be nice for his cannon shot. Who knows, we could develop him into a Ehrhoff lite, although that may be wishful thinking. It certainly is worth a late second to give it a try.
Cody Franson is not worth a 2nd.

Ehrhoff-lite you say, in terms of wont take a hit to make a play, avoids physical contact, loses 80% of puck battles, but has a good shot...sure thats Ehrhoff lite. Franson doesnt skate particularly well either.

He was drafted in the 3rd round and hasn't developed too much since then...

I'd give a 3rd at most, and even then I'd be reluctant....good thing we dont have a 3rd this year. I'd rather upgrade the bottom pair at the deadline with a veteran with playoff experience, not a guy I would fear putting on the ice 5 on 5.

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I'd give a 2nd pick, as ours will be on the low end, but I'm sure Burke would want something more in return. His value is between the 4th round pick the OP asked about and a mid 2nd. He won't fetch a top six forward unless coupled with a top six forward, but he isn't totally devoid of value either.

Rome and prospect like Archibald, or in the "Value of Franson" thread, a 3rd and Rome. Not because I believe he is a better player then Rome, but a different skill set, who is younger, and we would need to clear another defenseman spot to use Franson without losing him to waivers.

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He was never a healthy scratch in Nashville. Wilson is a tard. I'd take franson over liles komisarek and gunnarsson anyday! When he has played for leafs he looked good
Play him over Liles and Gunnar? And no he hasn't been all that good in the limited minutes he's seen. Like in Nashville, he needs sheltered minutes.

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