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10-22-2011, 11:11 PM
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Bad Games by Great Players

What are some good examples of completely terrible games from players people consider the best? (best in the league, best on the team whatever)

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10-22-2011, 11:50 PM
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Patrick Roy, 2002 WCF Game 7.

Arguably the greatest goalie of all time, with 3 Conn Smythes to his name, playing in a winner-take-all playoff game ...

and gives up 6 goals on 16 shots as Detroit wins 7-0.

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10-23-2011, 01:51 AM
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Patrick Roy's last game as a Montreal Canadien

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10-23-2011, 02:58 AM
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This will be a goalie fest. How do you mark bad game by forward? By not scoring a goal?

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Don't know if he's considered "great" yet, but a good chance at making the HHOF at least; Marc-Andre Fleury has had a couple. Game 5 of the 2009 Cup final, although he bounced back and won the next two. And Game 7 of the 2010 Habs/Pens series. Just awful in that game.

Some people say Bobby Orr had a terrible game in Game 2 of the 1971 Habs/Bruins series. I think he still had four points in the game but he was on the ice for pretty much all of the Habs goals and looked bad on a few. I guess this the worst we can do with Orr.

Ken Dryden in Game 1 of the 1972 Canada/Russia series

He's borderline great at best, but Mike Liut and we all know that game.

Gerry Cheevers in the 3rd game of the 1979 Challenge series with NHL vs. Russia

Curtis Joseph Game 7 of the 1993 Blues/Leafs series (he's a borderline great)

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10-23-2011, 08:52 AM
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I will not remember the exact game in all cases but will try.

Paul Coffey '96 in game 2 of the WCF.

Patrick Roys game 6 "statue of liberty"-mistake vs the red wings.

Martin Brodeur, game 7 of the first round in 99 vs. the penguins. Atrocious game by his standards.

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10-23-2011, 08:59 AM
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10-23-2011, 10:34 AM
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Aside from that goal, he actually was one of the better players in Team Sweden and made some nice saves. He got no help at all from the players in front of him.

Lidstrom, Ohlund, Kim Johnsson however.

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10-23-2011, 12:24 PM
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By his own Admission, Dryden vs the Soviets in the New Years Eve game. 3 goals on 14 shots? Ouch.

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10-23-2011, 12:33 PM
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patrick roy, ken dryden, martin brodeur... tommy salo? something is wrong here.

the title of the thread is Bad Games by Great Players

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10-23-2011, 12:48 PM
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Just looking at these stats, it looks at first glance that Roberto Luongo has the most "bad games" (5 or more goals against) per 100 games played or whatever amongst great goaltenders. Looks like Hasek had by far the least.

EDIT: Another way to look at it: recent goalies ranked by the number of playoff games where they faced more than 10 shots and ended up with a game save percentage of less than 0.800.

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10-23-2011, 02:22 PM
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Not so much a bad game but a bad shift I'll never forget is Iginla in gm 7 of the 1st round vs vancouver breaking his stick and then tripping over it a few seconds later right before the canucks scored to tie it up and put it into ot. Flames won the game though.

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10-23-2011, 03:51 PM
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Maybe this?


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10-23-2011, 07:22 PM
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Not so much a bad game but a bad shift I'll never forget is Iginla in gm 7 of the 1st round vs vancouver breaking his stick and then tripping over it a few seconds later right before the canucks scored to tie it up and put it into ot. Flames won the game though.
Yeah that was one of those vapour lock moments that happens, even to great players sometimes. However, Iginla scored a goal in that game and assisted on the overtime winner. He had a good game.

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Aside from that goal, he actually was one of the better players in Team Sweden and made some nice saves. He got no help at all from the players in front of him.

Lidstrom, Ohlund, Kim Johnsson however.
I'm not sure that I would ever consider Salo "great". Secondly, that game he played he allowed 4 goals on like 19 shots right? This was against Belarus of all teams. True the forwards should have bailed him out of this one but it wasn't a good game either by Salo.

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10-23-2011, 10:37 PM
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A few from the Vancouver Olympics:

- Nick Lidstrom, Sweden vs Slovakia. -2 and at fault for the winning goal in a 4-3 loss.
- Evgeni Malkin, Russia vs Canada. Two giveaways leading to odd-man rushes the other way on which Canada scored. Had only one shot on goal before the third period, by which time the game was effectively over.
- Martin Brodeur, Canada vs USA. A bad giveaway gifts Rafalski a goal, and then he lunges out of the net trying to clear a loose puck, misses, and gets scored on. ends up with 4 goals against on 22 shots. I'm a bit hesitant to count this one as a bad game because the Canadian defence didn't really give him much help, and he did stop a few American breakaways in the game.

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10-24-2011, 02:37 AM
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Gretzky in the 1981 Canada Cup final
- He was young, alright, but still he had already smashed some (many?) NHL records by this point. Looked like a little boy vs. men

Ovechkin in the 2006 Winter Olympics vs. Finland
- I've seen the game only once, but I remember Ovechkin looking about as dangerous as a newborn kitten (like the rest of his team). Ovechkin vs. Canada in 2010 as well.

In the first Summit Series game, the whole Canadian team was caught off guard and looked terrible - especially in the last period. Maybe it's unfair to bash Dryden too much. I think that in some ways, he was actually worse in game 4 (maybe didn't let in many easy ones but looked shaky as hell). The 1975 game vs. CSKA was obviously a bad one for him. Then again, Tretiak had many clunkers too, but I've already mentioned them many times before, so let it be...

Did Mario ever have a really bad (clutch) game?

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It's not a great player, but it's the worst game I've ever seen a valid NHLer play:

Janne Niinniima vs Russia in the Nagano 98 Olympics.
Bure scored 5 goals, and Janne was terrrrrrrible the whole game.

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10-24-2011, 04:15 AM
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Are we only including bad games during their primes? A lot of greats have held on too long and left the game as fringe NHLers. Chris Chelios is the most recent example. His whole stint in Atlanta would qualify, otherwise.

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10-24-2011, 11:37 AM
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Did Mario ever have a really bad (clutch) game?
Game 4 of the 2001 Eastern Conference finals. Mario was pretty bad the whole series, but Game 4 is when he really got frustrated.

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John Madden had one more trick left for the Pittsburgh Penguins, and Mario Lemieux served as his chump. Madden, the Devils' creatively annoying center, had been caught in a corner, badly out of position, so he yelled to Lemieux for him to pass him the puck. And Lemieux did. And he put it right on the tape of Madden's stick.

Lemieux, already flustered, caught up to Madden and whacked him with his stick. Then he whacked him again. Then, at center ice, in full view of the officials and the television cameras, and with a capacity crowd about to celebrate the Devils' 4-2 series-clinching victory, Lemieux cross-checked Madden from behind, and Madden collapsed to the ice.

Lemieux spent the last minute of the Eastern Conference finals in the penalty box. Afterward, Madden said he had taken a guess at Lemieux's nickname -- Ace -- when he called for him to pass the puck. Madden conceded that it was kind of a dirty trick. But it worked. It worked like almost everything else the Devils tried against Lemieux and the Penguins in the series.

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Game 4 of the 2001 Eastern Conference finals. Mario was pretty bad the whole series, but Game 4 is when he really got frustrated.
I believe he had a bad game in the series against Islanders in '93 too.

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Maybe this?

this.

has any game by a "great" ever so clearly showed that they are not what they are cranked up to be.










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This will be a goalie fest. How do you mark bad game by forward? By not scoring a goal?
Or it could be that great forwards still have a lot of bad games but we don't notice it. A forward isn't really criticized for "doing nothing" if he doesn't make a habit out of it and a lot of times defensemen/goaltenders take the brunt of the blame for boneheaded plays by the offense i.e. a bad dumb, poor shot selection, less obvious turnovers, getting laid out without making a play, etc.

Goaltenders on the other hand... every mistake they make stick out like a sore thumb, since more often than not there won't be anyone out there to bail them out of poor positioning, rebound control, puck handling or reflexes.

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Some people say Bobby Orr had a terrible game in Game 2 of the 1971 Habs/Bruins series. I think he still had four points in the game but he was on the ice for pretty much all of the Habs goals and looked bad on a few. I guess this the worst we can do with Orr.
From the highlights, Orr didn't look great in game 7 of that series either. In the 4-2 loss he got caught up ice on the first goal, was ineffective defensively on the second and gave away the puck on the 4th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPE29...eature=related

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not sure how great doug wilson was, but he was -7 in a game vs the flames in 1993.

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