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10-23-2011, 11:32 PM
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We wont have to worry about A Kostitsyn being a Hab next year. No way in hell will he return to Montreal.

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Like I was saying....the 4th line was not doing their job. We'll see if the next "contestants" will....Still not an ideal 4th line though.
The 4rt line wasn't doing its job ; but neither were most of the other lines. Or the D pairs for that matter. And I do not think the 4rth line was the one costing us wins.

The moves today may upgrade the 4rth line from incoherent-and-inexperienced to journeymenny-mediocre but it's not a GOOD 4rth line by any stretch of the imagination.

Plus they don't address in any way the more pressing issues that have been plaguing the team which are the feeble D core, the disorganised special teams led by questionnable coaching.

I think that's why, while the trade/call-up themselves are not atrocious and may be a teeny-tiny step in the right direction, the fan base is feeling let down and should be expecting more.

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10-24-2011, 12:56 AM
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We wont have to worry about A Kostitsyn being a Hab next year. No way in hell will he return to Montreal.
what on earth makes you say that?

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10-24-2011, 01:21 AM
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The 4rt line wasn't doing its job ; but neither were most of the other lines. Or the D pairs for that matter. And I do not think the 4rth line was the one costing us wins.

The moves today may upgrade the 4rth line from incoherent-and-inexperienced to journeymenny-mediocre but it's not a GOOD 4rth line by any stretch of the imagination.

Plus they don't address in any way the more pressing issues that have been plaguing the team which are the feeble D core, the disorganised special teams led by questionnable coaching.

I think that's why, while the trade/call-up themselves are not atrocious and may be a teeny-tiny step in the right direction, the fan base is feeling let down and should be expecting more.
I think the 4th line was actually so problematic that it was a pressing need. I'm usually in agreement that 4th lines are inconsequential and don't have a real impact on the result of the game. However, this 4th line was so overmatched that it was giving up scoring chances (luckily, Montreal hasn't been playing good 4th lines, so it never really cost the team too much). But this leads to penalties, which then leads to real scoring chances (and goals against).

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10-24-2011, 01:55 AM
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We wont have to worry about A Kostitsyn being a Hab next year. No way in hell will he return to Montreal.
Do you mean that from the perspective that management will not offer him a new contract, from Andrei's perspective that he would not choose to return even if given the choice, or both? Just curious.

Either way, I have to say I disagree with that as I think there is still some chance that he may still be on the team next year, not to mention that there is a lot that could happen on both sides that could affect such decisions. His form this year being one factor, he or other people being traded from this team, potential acquisitions the team will make and everybodies favourite topic right now, who the coach of the Habs will be next year.

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10-24-2011, 02:25 AM
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I think the 4th line was actually so problematic that it was a pressing need. I'm usually in agreement that 4th lines are inconsequential and don't have a real impact on the result of the game. However, this 4th line was so overmatched that it was giving up scoring chances (luckily, Montreal hasn't been playing good 4th lines, so it never really cost the team too much). But this leads to penalties, which then leads to real scoring chances (and goals against).
Maybe a bit of a stretch but a bad 4th line also means our other lines get overworked. Plekanec and Gionta playing defensemen minutes can't be easy on the body.

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10-24-2011, 02:51 AM
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I think the 4th line was actually so problematic that it was a pressing need. I'm usually in agreement that 4th lines are inconsequential and don't have a real impact on the result of the game. However, this 4th line was so overmatched that it was giving up scoring chances (luckily, Montreal hasn't been playing good 4th lines, so it never really cost the team too much). But this leads to penalties, which then leads to real scoring chances (and goals against).
And that's the bottom line, afaic. I believe that 4th line was on for 1 GF, and 1 GA... total... this season. Definitely "problematic".

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10-24-2011, 03:14 AM
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And that's the bottom line, afaic. I believe that 4th line was on for 1 GF, and 1 GA... total... this season. Definitely "problematic".
It can be a problem, as some have mentioned, when your top guys dont get enough rest, it could be a problem...

That being said, Plekanec is playing 22 minutes a night in October! He's certainly a great player, and 22 minutes a night is suitable for a player to the calibre of say, Mats Sundin...

Not to say it cant be done, but there is a time and place, and in October, your top guys offensively playing more than 1/3 of the game himself, on AVERAGE is definately not a good thing.

Engqvist averaged 6:55, Pulashaj 5 and change, clearly they were not being relied upon to do much, other than fill space.

Too many variables to write off this deal yet... Nokelainen brings a tonne of intangible skills to the table. Something the habs SORELY lack.. Espescially from our lower lines.

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10-24-2011, 03:42 AM
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It can be a problem, as some have mentioned, when your top guys dont get enough rest, it could be a problem...
If your top 6 isn't getting enough rest, that's on your 3rd line, not the 4th. Understand, even if both top lines are forced to play 20 mins/night, 5 mins for the 4th line means the 3rd line is only playing 15 mins. Good teams have 3rd lines that are responsible/talented enough to handle 15 mins per game and top lines capable of handling 20, and the reality is that our second line hasn't actually been asked to play 20 mins or more on any given night, despite the 4th line's light work duty. In fact, Plekanec is the only forward averaging over 20 mins/game.

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That being said, Plekanec is playing 22 minutes a night in October! He's certainly a great player, and 22 minutes a night is suitable for a player to the calibre of say, Mats Sundin...
22 mins/game is suitable for your best forward... and that's exactly what Plekanec is on the Habs.

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Not to say it cant be done, but there is a time and place, and in October, your top guys offensively playing more than 1/3 of the game himself, on AVERAGE is definately not a good thing.

Engqvist averaged 6:55, Pulashaj 5 and change, clearly they were not being relied upon to do much, other than fill space.

Too many variables to write off this deal yet... Nokelainen brings a tonne of intangible skills to the table. Something the habs SORELY lack.. Espescially from our lower lines.
How about, I dunno, developing? Or do you honestly think that Palushaj and Engqvist leave Montreal for Hamilton having gotten nothing out of the experience? But you're right, they really weren't being relied upon to do much. That's why I can't believe all the energy devoted to slagging them.


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10-24-2011, 04:03 AM
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If your top 6 isn't getting enough rest, that's on your 3rd line, not the 4th. Understand, even if both top lines are forced to play 20 mins/night, 5 mins for the 1st line means the 3rd line is only playing 15 mins. Good teams have 3rd lines that are responsible/talented enough to handle 15 mins per game and top lines capable of handling 20, and the reality is that our second line hasn't actually been asked to play 20 mins or more on any given night, despite the 4th line's light work duty. In fact, Plekanec is the only forward averaging over 20 mins/game.



22 mins/game is suitable for your best forward... and that's exactly what Plekanec is on the Habs.



How about, I dunno, developing? Or do you honestly think that Palushaj and Engqvist leave Montreal for Hamilton having gotten nothing out of the experience? But you're right, they really weren't being relied upon to do much. That's why I can't believe all the energy devoted to slagging them.
our best forward is a 60 pts player...

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10-24-2011, 06:33 AM
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our best forward is a 60 pts player...
Enough of this crap..........Players on this team will always have lower scoring toals due to the type of system that Martin employs.

Put Plekanec with a mickey mouse coach like Paul Maurice and his offensive numbers will go up but that doesn't mean that he is suddenly a better player.

Leave the stats at your fantasy teams doorstep.

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10-24-2011, 06:36 AM
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Enough of this crap..........Players on this team will always have lower scoring toals due to the type of system that Martin employs.

Put Plekanec with a mickey mouse coach like Paul Maurice and his offensive numbers will go up but that doesn't mean that he is suddenly a better player.

Leave the stats at your fantasy teams doorstep.
Yeah, better base your arguments on absolutely nothing

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10-24-2011, 10:53 AM
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Yeah, better base your arguments on absolutely nothing
Plekanec had 69 and 70 points in two of the previous 4 seasons so I'd say he's statistically proven to be more than capable to put up more than 60pts.

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If your top 6 isn't getting enough rest, that's on your 3rd line, not the 4th. Understand, even if both top lines are forced to play 20 mins/night, 5 mins for the 4th line means the 3rd line is only playing 15 mins. Good teams have 3rd lines that are responsible/talented enough to handle 15 mins per game and top lines capable of handling 20, and the reality is that our second line hasn't actually been asked to play 20 mins or more on any given night, despite the 4th line's light work duty. In fact, Plekanec is the only forward averaging over 20 mins/game..
Ok... first of all, think of games like the toronto game. We're in tight, Engqvist, Pulashaj, and Darche played under 5 minutes the entire game! Eller, a second year centerman, who is improving immensely, but still counted for minimal minutes (13) and Dersharnais (12). There are too many guys that CANNOT be relied upon as sound legitimate FT NHL'ers... and up the middle, our depth is simply put... nothing short of pathetic. Nokelainen levels it out at least a bit.

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22 mins/game is suitable for your best forward... and that's exactly what Plekanec is on the Habs..
LOL in the playoffs maybe... or an OT game. Not the first few games of the year. Pleks is a good centerman... He's playing all the minutes, because Martin CANNOT RELY on anyone else... they are too suspect. Pleks, our BEST center played 5 minutes of PK time. It's more important to give those minutes to those who can handle them, and off the first liners... We expect Plekanec to score, not stop them. People.... You wonder why scoring has been so paltry this year... Well, when your BEST offensive Centerman is icing 5 minutes of PK time. You're done before you start.

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How about, I dunno, developing? Or do you honestly think that Palushaj and Engqvist leave Montreal for Hamilton having gotten nothing out of the experience? But you're right, they really weren't being relied upon to do much. That's why I can't believe all the energy devoted to slagging them.
Last time I checked... Hamilton was for development... Montreal is for the professionals. What do they leave with? they arent 18 year old Gallaghers (who could have benefitted to a 7 game tryout). They are second tier pros... they have had the experience of being in the NHL (both of them) and ultimately. They proved nothing here... again. Chalk it up to inexperience... chalk it up to a team that has to balance lines to compete... Even as a 4th line, they were badly outplayed, and had NO SENSE of urgency when on the ice

Engqvist has not put the time up to even warrant the position he was in. He has yet to prove that he even belongs in NA... Let alone wearing one of OUR sacred jerseys.

Pulashaj played decent in the preseason... when he played WAY MORE than 5 minutes a game. But his role is not a 4th liner... He's far from a specialist, or an energy guy.

I am not slagging them... Im slagging management for being so inept and unorganized.This organization got shut out or 1 goal... 3 times already? Same freakin problem... Yet, Martins, and Gauthier thought it unnecessary to pick up someone like Jagr. They were so sure of themselves, they thought it unnecessary to even call him back.
The season started in September... 2-7 preseason... 1-3-2 out of the gate... Losing to Buffalo, Toronto (twice already), this team seems to be ill-prepared.
We aren't a team EXPECTED for a 1-3-2 start, so criticism is going to be harsh, esp. when I am watching games, and see that we are playing like ass.

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Put Plekanec with a mickey mouse coach like Paul Maurice and his offensive numbers will go up but that doesn't mean that he is suddenly a better player.
Now Paul Maurice is a mickey mouse coach? Interesting. I don't see the vets or rookies struggling too much under him, Skinner and Cole look prepared to play at both ends of the rink.

... plus it appears to me Cole has only thrived under PM, but can't even crack the PP with JM. So why is it PM is a 'mickey mouse' coach again?

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Now Paul Maurice is a mickey mouse coach? Interesting. I don't see the vets or rookies struggling too much under him, Skinner and Cole look prepared to play at both ends of the rink.

... plus it appears to me Cole has only thrived under PM, but can't even crack the PP with JM. So why is it PM is a 'mickey mouse' coach again?
not even mentioning the fact that he's made it as far as martin did in 1/2 the time.

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not even mentioning the fact that he's made it as far as martin did in 1/2 the time.
I know right? What a mickey mouse coach, he sucks, JM Rulez.

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So is this Blunden guy any way physical?
In pre-season games with the Habs this year,he was non-stop hitting and checking.His line was giving their matchups from the opposition a really hard time getting any possession time with the puck and actually put up a little offence.He definitely will add some physicality without the penalties that plague 4th liners,basically doing his job properly.

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I know right? What a mickey mouse coach, he sucks, JM Rulez.
Not even to mention, save for his few seasons coaching a miserable Leaf team... He's been responsible for a small market team. Martins had loads of talent, and money being thrown to his team in Ottawa, and save for that ONE cup appearance. He did nothing.

Oh and BTW, contrary to belief, Martin DID have a fantastic goalie in Patrick Lalime, who when in his prime, was a very fine goalie, who got the bad rep of losing to the run and gun Quinn leafs... Go figure, he had the same problem. Loads of offensive talent being told to play a defensive style game, when if they went pound for pound against the leafs back then, they would have run over them... BADLY

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Blunden isn't a tough player. Not sure why people think he is.
Yeah Blunden scares no one haha. He has nice size but is a terrible fighter, you don't want him to drop the gloves.




I mean he got his ass kicked by Zach Stortini lol...

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He may not be a good fighter on skates, but he certainly is tough. He hits everything he sees, and isn't afraid to drop 'em despite being not a good fighter on skates...

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He may not be a good fighter on skates, but he certainly is tough. He hits everything he sees, and isn't afraid to drop 'em despite being not a good fighter on skates...
I think we had a player a few years ago that fit that bill in Tom Kostoplwhatever his name is. I hope Blunden can do some of the same stuff that he did on the ice for us.

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I think we had a player a few years ago that fit that bill in Tom Kostoplwhatever his name is. I hope Blunden can do some of the same stuff that he did on the ice for us.
I freaking loved Kostopoulos. One of my favorite players in the recent era. He was the perfect 3rd liner and it had nothing to do with fighting. Great character guy, did what it took to make the team win, gave it his all. Great example of how tough =/= fighting.

Also, you always knew you'd be getting 21-22 points when you acquire him(22 or 21 points in 5 of his 7 seasons Lol)

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our best forward is a 60 pts player...
Who led the Bruins last year and how much did they have?

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I prefer to have someone who will fight to protect his teammate and lose the fight than a player who will look elsewhere and let his friend in problem

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