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10-24-2011, 07:04 PM
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I have no problem with Stoll as a 3rd line RW on Loktionov's line.

The only downside is he would still get PP time and he is a disaster on the PP. I'd rather have Greene back there, and I am 100% serious.
Mitchell looked pretty good on the PP against Philly.

I would think that Stoll would need to be signed before July 1st if he was to stay in LA, just like Williams. Dean won't enter a bidding "war" for Stoll. He either signs for what Dean wants or he leaves.

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10-24-2011, 07:12 PM
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Mitchell looked pretty good on the PP against Philly.
Mitchell's cross ice pass to Gagne from the far right point which lead to a goal was more creative than any play Jarret Stoll has made in three seasons on the Kings #1 PP unit.

Stoll would have "thrown the puck at the net" and it would have gone 5 feet wide, but all part of the "shot mentality" and "ugly goals"

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10-24-2011, 07:17 PM
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Mitchell looked pretty good on the PP against Philly.

I would think that Stoll would need to be signed before July 1st if he was to stay in LA, just like Williams. Dean won't enter a bidding "war" for Stoll. He either signs for what Dean wants or he leaves.
Yep, and in my mind that would mean Stoll taking on Moreau's role next season.

As I have said and I concur with Herby, I wouldn't mind seeing

Clifford - Loktionov - Stoll

at some point in the future.

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10-24-2011, 07:24 PM
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Stoll is a centerman, that's his strong point. He won't take a RW position and less money to stay in LA. I have never heard of him playing wing before coming to LA.

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Stoll is a centerman, that's his strong point. He won't take a RW position and less money to stay in LA. I have never heard of him playing wing before coming to LA.
I agree with you.

I'd be shocked if after being demoted to 3rd line this season that Stoll would accept a position change and a pay cut. I mean everyone has a little bit of pride and ego.

Unless he really, really likes it in LA. This is probably his last chance at a decent pay day.

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Who here has accepted a worse job and a pay cut from their current boss?

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Chances of Stoll coming back, especially at a discount, are close to 0.

Mitchell is the more interesting case, IMO. What to do with Hickey and Voynov... especially if Martinez continues to play well?

I'm not at all opposed to moving Greene either

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Id be more worried about keeping Mitchell than Stolly. I can see both resigning, but Stoll would be for less and take faceoffs than move to RW

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Stoll is a centerman, that's his strong point. He won't take a RW position and less money to stay in LA. I have never heard of him playing wing before coming to LA.
I would still want him taking the draws, but there is no way he is as creative or as shifty as Loktionov is coming through the neutral zone and attacking the opponent's blueline.

Stoll may very well leave. The staggering of contracts seems to be set up for that to occur. If he wants to stay he will be doing so on the Kings' terms.

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10-24-2011, 07:49 PM
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Maybe he will go to the Ducks.

He can replace Selanne on the PP.

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I would still want him taking the draws, but there is no way he is as creative or as shifty as Loktionov is coming through the neutral zone and attacking the opponent's blueline.

Stoll may very well leave. The staggering of contracts seems to be set up for that to occur. If he wants to stay he will be doing so on the Kings' terms.
I think that's probably the best way to put it. If Stoll wants to return he'll have to REALLY want to play here. The free agent market isn't that great so I believe he'll get some nicer offers from teams that need a #2 center and he'll take his services elsewhere. And the way the Kings are set up it won't bother me one bit.

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Come on Stoll fan club. Come to the aid of your guy.

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Not a single post by JT_Dutch, Kingspest or the Homer?

Come on Stoll fan club. Come to the aid of your guy.
What else is there to be said? If he wants to stay he will, if he doesnt he is gone. It would surprise me if he took a paycut like some are suggesting.

As far as Lokti replacing him they play two different styles of game. Kind of hard to expect him to come and and replace what Stoll brings when he has almost no NHL experience nor the size to really compete against some of the bigger centers in the division let alone the league.

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Mitchell's cross ice pass to Gagne from the far right point which lead to a goal was more creative than any play Jarret Stoll has made in three seasons on the Kings #1 PP unit.

Stoll would have "thrown the puck at the net" and it would have gone 5 feet wide, but all part of the "shot mentality" and "ugly goals"
I'm not trying to start an arguement here but where is the notion that Stoll has been on the #1 PP unit for three years coming from? There are only a handful of times I can recall him being out there with the top unit last year and only one season has Stoll been in the top 5 for PP TOI here in LA.

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Stoll, sadly is a goner. Even though he makes his home here year round and is dating an actress, Loktionov was one of the best forwards in camp and is primed to take that #3 spot.

Hunter, Moreau, Penner, Stoll and Mitchell are all UFA's....no one in Manchester besides Loki is ready to take any one of those spots...possibly Dwight King...so it's either re-sign those guys or go for other UFA's.

Mitchell is an interesting situation, he looks great this year BUT what happens to Voynov? He is NHL ready according to Hextall. Do they deal Scuderi, let Mitchell walk or trade Martinez? You have to do one of those three things to make room for Voynov.
I think at the trade deadline we'll have a much clearer picture of how things will shape up.

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I think if Gleason leaves Carolina he will be heading home to Detroit.

Detroit has $14 mill in UFA d-man coming off the payroll.
Yes and no. $6+ million of that is Lidstrom, and you know if he wants to come back, he'll take up that much again, virtually guaranteed. He'll be back if he wants.

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Just because he's been injured for 3 yrs doesn't mean he'll be injured again next year. And just because a player's been injure free for the first 3 yrs doesn't mean he won't be injured the next year.

Your views are more of a speculation than logic.
Don't agree. Some players are just more injury prone than others. It's why we worry about Gagne and Williams and whether or not they'll be fully functional come the post-season. You don't have those same concerns for guys like Brown and Greene. I too worry that Loktionov can take the pounding, and it was the sole reason I supported seeing him sent back to Manchester. A full season there would ease my concerns a great deal.

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Stoll is a centerman, that's his strong point. He won't take a RW position and less money to stay in LA. I have never heard of him playing wing before coming to LA.
He did in Edmonton on occassion. Wasn't a regular, everyday thing, but he did play some wing in Edmonton.

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Who here has accepted a worse job and a pay cut from their current boss?
Why is moving to the wing a "worse job?" Are you saying wingers have worse jobs than centres?

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Who here has accepted a worse job and a pay cut from their current boss?
Umm yeah, lets keep things in perspective. Does anyone here make upwards of $500k a year? I actually was in that situation about 2 years ago but I held on to my job thankfully but I had applied and interviewed for a lower position. I probably wouldn't have stuck around long after that but something was better than nothing.

During the past few years I know at least a handful of people that have accepted paycuts and even MOVED in some cases to keep their jobs. Stoll may get a better offer but 1) his numbers will probably diminish this season and 2) he'll probably be getting the best offers from lower quality teams.

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