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10-24-2011, 08:39 AM
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Kostitsyn needed to be traded! Trust me, there were things about this "kid" on and off the ice that were toxic to the team and his brother.

Grabovski was traded for Greg Pateryn and a 2nd round draft pick, the 2nd round draft pick turned into a trade for James Wisniewski (whom without we would of never made the playoffs last season), and Grabovski was a player who constantly missed practice, team meetings and trips because he was "disgruntled", do you really want him in Montreal?

Ribeiro for Niinimaa came from higher up! Long story short, off ice problems with him and an ego bigger than the team.

The Gomez trade in my opinion was VERY bad, not because Gomez at the time was a bad choice, but because we traded McDonagh to the Rangers who right now, could easily be Montreal's top two defenseman.
So why are we the only team giving away players that have problems on and off the ice?

Ribeiro, Kostitsyn and Grabovski were big pieces of their team the day they arrived.

WHY is it only happening in Montreal, and so often...?

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10-24-2011, 08:40 AM
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I am a Habs fan. I want the Stanley Cup. That means they must make the playoffs. I don't care that Chi, Pit, and Wash all became powerhouses by sucking for years. Tanking is for loser organizations.

BTW we had our chance to suck in the late 90's, early 00's and just couldn't quite suck bad enough.
We haven't won since 1993. We are currently a loser organization.

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10-24-2011, 08:41 AM
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Here is what I would protect -
Plekanec
Cammalleri (unless someone offers a 1st + top prospect)
Pacioretty
Kostitsyn
Eller
Markov
Subban
Gorges
Price

Any one else on the roster can be had. Gomez, Spacek, Moen, Gionta, Gill, Cole. Cammy and Kostitsyn would be available for overpayments.
I like this list but I think we should start from zero, not half the way. So yes I would deal Gionta like you, but I would add Markov to this list.

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10-24-2011, 08:41 AM
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We haven't won since 1993. We are currently a loser organization.
Ahaha, well answered.

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10-24-2011, 08:44 AM
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We're in an abnormal situation, so I'd say no.

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I think it's just too early to start thinking about drafting 1st overall 7 games in. You tell me the Habs are in this situation come February then I might agree with you but not after 7 games. We win tonight and the back to back against the Bruins and no one talks about this bad start anymore, let's just be a little patient the Tanking is way too early and the Blue Jackets seem to want it more, that team is just brutal
I'll admit, if we were to tank we'd not be alone to do so and we'd likely get 2nd overall and thus get Grigorenko, since Yakupov will be Columbus' property. And the decision to tank is taken earlier if there are teams competing for the first overall pick. With Columbus and Ottawa likely to be tanking too, it's a 3-way tank this season if we were to.

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10-24-2011, 08:51 AM
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So why are we the only team giving away players that have problems on and off the ice?

Ribeiro, Kostitsyn and Grabovski were big pieces of their team the day they arrived.

WHY is it only happening in Montreal, and so often...?
what you have to say about Heatley?

Its not only us.
Just take a look around.

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Of course it's normal.. I hope we lose the next 20 games in a row! I hope we break the record for consecutive losses... Any RICH team that labels itself ''hockeys MECCA'' that voluntarily keeps ****ing Scott ****ING Gomez deserves to FAIL and CHOKE and be EMBARRASSED .

I rather see a total meltdown and expose our team strategies for what they are than to be a SUCKER fan that gets taken for a ride every year to only witness yet another playoff exit..

I rather see management FAIL and fall hard on their ass than to see them get their bonuses and tell the media ''we're getting closer''.

I'm so sick and tired of the way this team is managed and operated... god damn it this season is liberating if anything!

The key is to have a REALLY crappy season so to leave Molson with no choice but to make DRASTIC changes for next year...

Good riddens to the status quo *****es!

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10-24-2011, 08:52 AM
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So why are we the only team giving away players that have problems on and off the ice?

Ribeiro, Kostitsyn and Grabovski were big pieces of their team the day they arrived.

WHY is it only happening in Montreal, and so often...?
Montreal night life, Nashville night life, Toronto night life, Dallas night life and the list goes on!

This is a trick question/comment so think before you answer

Hint: If I gave you millions at the age of 21 with a house, Porsche and fame in Montreal, what would you do?

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10-24-2011, 08:54 AM
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Hint: If I gave you millions at the age of 21 with a house, Porsche and fame in Montreal, what would you do?
would probably catch a few std's

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I'm kind of in the same boat. I'll never support the idea of "tanking" ...

I have definitely not given up on the season, but if losing out this week means a completely new identity I'll take it.
Yep...definitely don't want the Habs to tank it...i believe that this is still a pretty capable team, but at the end of the day sports are supposed to be entertaining and i'm FAR from entertained when i watch the Habs play.

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10-24-2011, 08:59 AM
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what you have to say about Heatley?

Its not only us.
Just take a look around.
Actually, Michalek has been unlucky with injuries.

Could see why they traded Heatley for him this year!

Michalek (26 years old) 10 points
Heatley (30 years old) 5 points

It's not as bad as Ribeiro, Gomez, etc.

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WE ARE 7 GAMES IN! If we were last in the East after 60 games then maybe, but now there is till so much time for a turn around that a die hard fan could only hope that we win!

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Well 2 of those 3 organizations have won Cups!
They did, but the cost was high. Pittsburgh tanked 4 years in a row, Chicago made the playoffs once from 1998-2008. I couldn't handle that.

Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal. Habs beat them in the playoffs.

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10-24-2011, 09:03 AM
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WE ARE 7 GAMES IN! If we were last in the East after 60 games then maybe, but now there is till so much time for a turn around that a die hard fan could only hope that we win!
Once again, I don't mind because of the bad season start.

I mind because of the last few years, finishing 7th or 8th. And not rebuilding at all.

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10-24-2011, 09:03 AM
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To the OP: no. no. no. no. no. no.

Does that answer it?

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What about 1 season? Getting a Yakupov or Grigorenko and finally having a legit superstar?
What if the player we get turns out to be the 2nd coming of Alexander Daigle? Picking higher improves the chances of a superstar but it doesn't guarantee a superstar. I don't think it's worth it.

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Well 2 of those 3 organizations have won Cups!
And I think that's a problem.

You have to tank for years, asking your paying fans to continue buying your high priced tickets, icing a poor team, spending less than the average team, being a non-model organisation and you get a reward for that?

Is the Pittsbugh Penguins a model organisation? Or they just sucked for so long?
Same could be said for Chicago.
Why did they get all those rewards?

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10-24-2011, 09:11 AM
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I don't like the word tanking. I prefer retooling. Keep the players who you think will have a long term future with the team, and let the young kids develop (e.g. Eller, Pacioretty, Subban, Weber). Sell the other players who don't have a long term future for picks and prospects. Evaluate the team again at the conclusion of the season. Draft high.

Flyers drafted 2nd overall in 2007, made ECF in 2008.

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To the OP: no. no. no. no. no. no.

Does that answer it?
Much more wise to defend overpaid losers

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Much more wise to defend overpaid losers
Totally. Losers with 2 Stanley Cups!

But go cheer against your team - that's proof you're both wise AND a real fan.

All this real fandom is too much for me to handle.

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10-24-2011, 09:22 AM
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They did, but the cost was high. Pittsburgh tanked 4 years in a row, Chicago made the playoffs once from 1998-2008. I couldn't handle that.

Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal. Habs beat them in the playoffs.
Pens went to the finals back to back years, lost to us after yes but still have much more fire power. They were also lucky to get Crosby

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Totally. Losers with 2 Stanley Cups!

But go cheer against your team - that's proof you're both wise AND a real fan.

All this real fandom is too much for me to handle.
Way more wise to buy 150$ tickets to watch a defensive game and heartless 7 million dollars players.

Being a real fan should not mean you have to love unconditionally what you see every night.

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What if the player we get turns out to be the 2nd coming of Alexander Daigle? Picking higher improves the chances of a superstar but it doesn't guarantee a superstar. I don't think it's worth it.
Look at the top 4 of each of the last few drafts:

2011: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Gabriel Landeskog, Jonathan Huberdeau, Adam Larsson
2010: Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, Erik Gudbranson, Ryan Johansen
2009: John Tavares, Victor Hedman, Matt Duchene, Evander Kane
2008: Steven Stamkos, Drew Doughty, Zach Bogosian, Alex Pietrangelo
2007: Patrick Kane, James van Riemsdyk, Kyle Turris, Thomas Hickey
2006: Erik Johnson, Jordan Staal, Jonathan Toews, Nicklas Backstrom

Since the lockout ended, the upper end of the draft has produced some pretty big players. I'd say there are only 2-3 players that are not worthy of their pick: Thomas Hickey, Kyle Turris, Zach Bogosian. The rest? I would take them anyday of the week on the Habs and twice on Sunday. Drafting #1 or #2 could have a huge positive impact on this team for the years to come.

I'm not advocating we lose, but if come February and we are 10th-15th, SELL. And pick up more picks and prospects.

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Way more wise to buy 150$ tickets to watch a defensive game and heartless 7 million dollars players.

Being a real fan should not mean you have to love unconditionally what you see every night.
Cheering for your team to LOSE, as a ****ing FAN, is disgusting.

I don't care what the reason is for doing it either. If you're a fan of a team, you support that team thick and through.

If you don't agree, then I guess we have different definitions of what a fan is and what fans should do.

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And I think that's a problem.

You have to tank for years, asking your paying fans to continue buying your high priced tickets, icing a poor team, spending less than the average team, being a non-model organisation and you get a reward for that?

Is the Pittsbugh Penguins a model organisation? Or they just sucked for so long?
Same could be said for Chicago.
Why did they get all those rewards?
Don't get me wrong and if we do it I don't want it to be for years, I said I wouldn't mind doing something like Philly did, 1 bad season(not tanking) draft a solid player and build from there

Molson is doing that to himself, prices are ridiculous and if people stop going he is also to blame for it not just the hockey team's results

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