Have this [horrible] feeling it would be an attempt to keep Nash in Columbus. Trade the #1 instead of Nash, and convince him that he doesn't need to quit on the team after all, 'cause new bodies are coming in without too many going out.
There's a saying thats mainly talked about with aging football players.
"When you're talking about retirement, you already are."
The cats out of the bag as far as Nash's future goes, he wants out. If this management team hopes to sidestep that issue by trading away our reward for this season from hell in yet another misguided attempt to delay the inevitable, they deserve any and all criticisms.
Somehow I get the feeling that the decision on Nash and the 1st round pick are tied. If Howson can move the pick first for enough value to get the team younger and better does it help with the decision on Nash or is Nash's decision actually final?
I have no idea what they could expect but if the CBJ felt the need to trade the 1st pick (I'm going to assume they get the 1st pick) and could get value high enough to demonstrate they can put a winner on the ice does Nash rescind his request? Maybe that ship has sailed at which point they now have two big time chips to trade to upgrade their team.
I mean think about if the Rangers are the team for Nash and they up the anti a little. What if they put Kreider in the deal? What if the put McDonagh in the deal? I doubt they would get both but one never knows. Either one wouldl be a welcome addition. Add Miller, Erixon, Dubinsky and their 1st and that's a pretty darn good haul. Now what if a team like Florida is interested and willing to part with players like Huberdeau or Markstrom and Howdon and their 1st this year or next? We've got a rebuilt top 6 that may take a year or two but the defense should be solid and the only hole you are filling is goaltender if one isn't part of one of the deals for either asset.
I don't know, I think their value in a trade COULD be higher than retaining either or both.
This being floated out there has little to do with Nash . They are floating this out there to get teams thinking. But just like the Nash trade deadline, you pay what we feel is fair, or no deal. Simple as that . As I said yesterday, in nfl, Washington gave up their next 3 , first round picks to move up to #2 in the draft this year. Something like that may make howson/ Patrick listen. I feel confident we will make the right choice, Patrick is a good mentor for howson
Permitting the current GM to trade Rick Nash and the #1 overall pick could be an utter disaster.
The fact that the pick is now being talked about that the "plan" we're told they had isn't much of a plan at all. It started out as a plan that involved keeping Nash. Then centered on trading Nash because he didn't feel stay around during a rebuild, er, reshape was best for his career. Now it may involve trading the #1 pick a move that would be more of the "win now" variety?!
I'm more than a little concerned that this management group lacks any real plan or direction. Trading a #1 overall pick is risky business. How did trading the pick that turned into Rick Nash work out for the Florida Panthers? If you are going to make a move, it had better be within the overall purpose of a plan.
For all of Howson's sudden feeling that he needed to be honest about the Nash, how about being honest with fans about what the plan is and what the expectations are for this team next season?
Permitting the current GM to trade Rick Nash and the #1 overall pick could be an utter disaster.
The fact that the pick is now being talked about that the "plan" we're told they had isn't much of a plan at all. It started out as a plan that involved keeping Nash. Then centered on trading Nash because he didn't feel stay around during a rebuild, er, reshape was best for his career. Now it may involve trading the #1 pick a move that would be more of the "win now" variety?!
I'm more than a little concerned that this management group lacks any real plan or direction. Trading a #1 overall pick is risky business. How did trading the pick that turned into Rick Nash work out for the Florida Panthers? If you are going to make a move, it had better be within the overall purpose of a plan.
For all of Howson's sudden feeling that he needed to be honest about the Nash, how about being honest with fans about what the plan is and what the expectations are for this team next season?
I think we will get a better idea of where Howson is going with the roster as the draft approches.. I want Yakupov badly.
Permitting the current GM to trade Rick Nash and the #1 overall pick could be an utter disaster.
The fact that the pick is now being talked about that the "plan" we're told they had isn't much of a plan at all. It started out as a plan that involved keeping Nash. Then centered on trading Nash because he didn't feel stay around during a rebuild, er, reshape was best for his career. Now it may involve trading the #1 pick a move that would be more of the "win now" variety?!
I'm more than a little concerned that this management group lacks any real plan or direction. Trading a #1 overall pick is risky business. How did trading the pick that turned into Rick Nash work out for the Florida Panthers? If you are going to make a move, it had better be within the overall purpose of a plan.
For all of Howson's sudden feeling that he needed to be honest about the Nash, how about being honest with fans about what the plan is and what the expectations are for this team next season?
I know you don't like Howson, but honestly, we rarely know whats going on, or the whole situation. If we know anything the past couple years regarding the Bluejackets, we are usually hearing it after it has occurred. Meaning the media is not very clued in, to what the jackets are actually doing. I agree with Robert, we will have a better idea as we get closer to the draft. Patrick/Howson did about as well as you could possible do when they moved Carter for Jack Johnson, and a first. Traded Vermette for a second pick, which once again, about as good as you could expect. Picked up Letestu for a fourth rd pick, swapped Russel for Nikutin. In my eyes, all good moves. Now was it a good idea to go into the season with the dcorp we had ? Or to depend on Mason ? Although, now Mason has looked good the past 6 starts. I think most would agree, probably not. This team is not anywhere near as bad as they have played. We could fault Howson, and say the mix of players is wrong, but how many players were have career worst seasons up to the past couple weeks. The players bear responsibility as well.
I'm more than a little concerned that this management group lacks any real plan or direction. Trading a #1 overall pick is risky business. How did trading the pick that turned into Rick Nash work out for the Florida Panthers? If you are going to make a move, it had better be within the overall purpose of a plan.
Florida moved down and still got the guy they were going to pick, with the tradeoff being the chance to get a much better pick the next year.
Florida screwed it up good in 1998, and then San Jose added to it. In November 1997, they traded their 1998 first-rounder to San Jose for Viktor Kozlov. Then in March, Tampa traded Bryan Marchment and the right to flip first-rounders to San Jose for Andrei Nazarov. Florida ended up #1 overall, meaning that San Jose would have had the pick...but Tampa exercised the right to flip and got Vincent Lecavalier.
This being floated out there has little to do with Nash . They are floating this out there to get teams thinking. But just like the Nash trade deadline, you pay what we feel is fair, or no deal. Simple as that . As I said yesterday, in nfl, Washington gave up their next 3 , first round picks to move up to #2 in the draft this year. Something like that may make howson/ Patrick listen. I feel confident we will make the right choice, Patrick is a good mentor for howson
Big diff in trading up to get a franchise QB than a very good winger. of course given Priest's apparent lack of hockey knowledge he may be driven to give it a try. If the first was a Crosby or Ovechkin I can see teams lining up and offering big, for Nail, et al, I'm not sure I see a great offer in the Jackets future. Best I could see is a swap with a team wanting to move up and they throw in their #1 and maybe a prospect. we'll see.
I know you don't like Howson, but honestly, we rarely know whats going on, or the whole situation. If we know anything the past couple years regarding the Bluejackets, we are usually hearing it after it has occurred. Meaning the media is not very clued in, to what the jackets are actually doing. I agree with Robert, we will have a better idea as we get closer to the draft. Patrick/Howson did about as well as you could possible do when they moved Carter for Jack Johnson, and a first. Traded Vermette for a second pick, which once again, about as good as you could expect. Picked up Letestu for a fourth rd pick, swapped Russel for Nikutin. In my eyes, all good moves. Now was it a good idea to go into the season with the dcorp we had ? Or to depend on Mason ? Although, now Mason has looked good the past 6 starts. I think most would agree, probably not. This team is not anywhere near as bad as they have played. We could fault Howson, and say the mix of players is wrong, but how many players were have career worst seasons up to the past couple weeks. The players bear responsibility as well.
We were told that we'd have a better idea at the trade deadline--do you feel that was an enlightening moment.
This team owes some answers to the fans about what the plan is going forward. Because, thus far what we've been given are cryptic messages and non-answers. The one person they shared their plan with demanded a trade...er, requested that they consider trading him.
Howson put together a bunch of players to start this season that were soft and weak hearted and he got exactly the type of performance that you can expect with that type of players.
Now he's finishing the season with a group that has a lot of heart...but has glaring deficits in skill, particularly, again, at the center position, in the net, depth scoring and goal.
To allow him a 6th time to try and get it right and to allow him to trade the franchise player and a #1 overall pick in the course of this process seems unwise at best.
Do you think we'll get something equal to Hall or Tavares?
Because the #1 overall will be.
Tavares was hyped as a 14-year-old and was the reason for the "exceptional status" waiver; only Aaron Ekblad (2014-eligible) has been granted that status since. I vaguely remember challenges being made to the NHL draft rules and AHL age rules to try and get him into pro hockey at age 16 or 17 as well.
Tavares was hyped as a 14-year-old and was the reason for the "exceptional status" waiver; only Aaron Ekblad (2014-eligible) has been granted that status since. I vaguely remember challenges being made to the NHL draft rules and AHL age rules to try and get him into pro hockey at age 16 or 17 as well.
True but even the worst #1 overall taken since Dipietro has been Erik Johnson who is very good.
Just saying, it's stupid in my opinion to take a package over an elite player provided that player will play here and isn't super injury prone. Carter had a shallow character and that should have been made known before he was acquired. If it comes out that Yakupov is so shallow that he may pull a Lindros, then maybe the rumor would make sense. The rumor wasn't that the 1st "may be available," the source said "look for" it to be traded.
True but even the worst #1 overall taken since Dipietro has been Erik Johnson who is very good.
Just saying, it's stupid in my opinion to take a package over an elite player provided that player will play here and isn't super injury prone. Carter had a shallow character and that should have been made known before he was acquired. If it comes out that Yakupov is so shallow that he may pull a Lindros, then maybe the rumor would make sense. The rumor wasn't that the 1st "may be available," the source said "look for" it to be traded.
The original text said "NHL execs from three different teams told me #CBJ are expected to trade their 1st round pick (likely 1st overall) at upcoming draft ".
That's really open-ended. It could have been "I asked three different team execs what they think will happen at the draft, and the response was a dismissive 'Who knows, they'll probably trade that too.'" There's no context, there's nothing more than what may be less-than-speculative itself.
They really need to do their homework on this pick. They can't mess this up.
What the Jackets really need is a Hall, Tavares or RNH type forward. The question is whether Yakupov is really at that level?
Yakupov has had no competition for the #1 pick due to all the injuries. Whoever gets the #1 pick gets Yakupov. But what if the Jackets have questions about him or feel he won't pan out or won't fit in?
I'm not sure drafting Yakupov is going to have the buzz and boost in ticket sales in Columbus, not because of the Russian factor but just because fans are burned out on overhyped prospects that haven't panned out.
Trading up for Yakupov could be a PR move for other teams (Montreal? Toronto?) but I still can't see teams giving up enough get an unproven draft pick to make up for the type of player that Yakupov could be.
They really need to do their homework on this pick. They can't mess this up.
What the Jackets really need is a Hall, Tavares or RNH type forward. The question is whether Yakupov is really at that level?
Yakupov has had no competition for the #1 pick due to all the injuries. Whoever gets the #1 pick gets Yakupov. But what if the Jackets have questions about him or feel he won't pan out or won't fit in?
I'm not sure drafting Yakupov is going to have the buzz and boost in ticket sales in Columbus, not because of the Russian factor but just because fans are burned out on overhyped prospects that haven't panned out.
Trading up for Yakupov could be a PR move for other teams (Montreal? Toronto?) but I still can't see teams giving up enough get an unproven draft pick to make up for the type of player that Yakupov could be.
And therein lies the problem. Yakupov is not touted as the next Crosby. So what makes anyone think that a team will offer up a proven NHL player to take a chance (albeit a pretty good one) that Yakupov will have an all-star career. A #1 D, C or G for him? Anyone who believes that is delusional.
Best that we can hope for imo is that if for whatever reason the Jackets aren't sold on Yakupov, they trade down a couple of spots to a team that really wants him for a swap of #1's and a very good prospect. The Jackets then take Galchenyuk or one of the top 3 D men.
If this team is to be re"whatevered" into a contender it has to be through the draft and the possible trading of Nash. I don't believe the core is there to build a really solid team without a few years of pain.
If a trade of Nash brings some combination of a quality player or two , top prospects and a #1 then I see another year of suffering and perhaps a chance at Nathan Mackinnon. Or at least a very solid prospect - probably top 5. Throw in the LA pick and the pick we get for Nash and you now should have 4 prospects that could produce at least 2 NHL and maybe 4 NHL players.
That to me is how the new Jackets should be constructed.
And therein lies the problem. Yakupov is not touted as the next Crosby. So what makes anyone think that a team will offer up a proven NHL player to take a chance (albeit a pretty good one) that Yakupov will have an all-star career. A #1 D, C or G for him? Anyone who believes that is delusional.
Cap casualty of course.
If they move the pick, I don't know what the would be looking for. They might be looking for a top six forward and a top prospect. They might be looking for a top prospect and their first rounder (if it's high enough).
I haven't read up further on the injury, but if it's a concussion that could really create some complications.
Permitting the current GM to trade Rick Nash and the #1 overall pick could be an utter disaster.
Having the best GM on the planet trade those two pieces could be an utter disaster. Tell us something we don't already know. What, is FUD, go going make any difference? Any time a potential trade comes up we just say "If this GM does it, it could be a disaster". Duh. Doesn't get us any closer to anything resembling a discussion of the topic at hand.
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