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10-25-2011, 10:30 AM
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Plus without Malkin and Crosby last year the PP looked absolutely dire, Sullivan has actually made it look threatening.

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10-25-2011, 10:33 AM
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Plus without Malkin and Crosby last year the PP looked absolutely dire, Sullivan has actually made it look threatening.
Yep, w/o Crosby and Malkin, it was ~14%.

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10-25-2011, 10:35 AM
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Sully is fast as hell and almost scores a lot. He passes the puck a little too much. He really needs to start scoring to gain some confidence. There was a crazy stat I heard about the pens power play when malkin is in the lineup, not surprising, but it is like 30% better with him. I just haven't been impressed with sully. Don't be ignorant and claim I don't know hockey or watch games because I have a different opinion. I am crazy for wanting a top 6 forward to do better than 175th in the league in points; and tied for 13th with vitale/michalek
6 x 30 = 180. Add a few #1 d-men and you see that 175th is not an unreasonable number. Not all of every team's top-6 forwards can be above average top-6 forwards. That said, Sully's numbers will be above average once he gets off his cold streak. Once he gets hot, you'll be praising him like everyone's drooling over James Neal right now.

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10-25-2011, 10:38 AM
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I am not saying he was a bad signing. I'd rather have sully than tangradi out there. All I said is that he simply isn't producing.3 points 10 games in is a joke when he gets loads of pp time and plays with neal.

I hope he starts executing on some of his many prime scoring opporunities.

I've made my point, I had no intention of getting under anyones skins. I feel like a liberal who criticized bush in the early 2000's; if you don't agree you are not a patriot and you should move out of the country.

Go pens, it'd be great to just beat the hell out of the isles.

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10-25-2011, 10:41 AM
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I am not saying he was a bad signing. I'd rather have sully than tangradi out there. All I said is that he simply isn't producing.3 points 10 games in is a joke when he gets loads of pp time and plays with neal.

I hope he starts executing on some of his many prime scoring opporunities.

I've made my point, I had no intention of getting under anyones skins. I feel like a liberal who criticized bush in the early 2000's; if you don't agree you are not a patriot and you should move out of the country.

Go pens, it'd be great to just beat the hell out of the isles.
Do you watch games dude?

Sullivan has been great. The points will come.

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10-25-2011, 10:44 AM
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I am not saying he was a bad signing. I'd rather have sully than tangradi out there. All I said is that he simply isn't producing.3 points 10 games in is a joke when he gets loads of pp time and plays with neal.

I hope he starts executing on some of his many prime scoring opporunities.

I've made my point, I had no intention of getting under anyones skins. I feel like a liberal who criticized bush in the early 2000's; if you don't agree you are not a patriot and you should move out of the country.

Go pens, it'd be great to just beat the hell out of the isles.
That's the problem though. I know some posters can throw in personal jabs as responses, but you are making it easy. Like I said in my last post, it's totally cool to have a different opinion than the consensus, but you better back up that opinion with rational and logical arguments rather than quoting the stat sheet that we are all aware of. You could say something like "he's weak along the boards and isn't good at winning puck battles". That at least shows you have watched the games.

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10-25-2011, 10:49 AM
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I am not saying he was a bad signing. I'd rather have sully than tangradi out there. All I said is that he simply isn't producing.3 points 10 games in is a joke when he gets loads of pp time and plays with neal.

I hope he starts executing on some of his many prime scoring opporunities.

I've made my point, I had no intention of getting under anyones skins. I feel like a liberal who criticized bush in the early 2000's; if you don't agree you are not a patriot and you should move out of the country.

Go pens, it'd be great to just beat the hell out of the isles.

You're even more dumb if you thought Sullivan was brought here to be a PPG player..he was here to be a complimentary role player to guys like Sid and Malkin, and help out on the PP...He's clearly done the latter thus far..unfortunately due to injuries we haven't seen what he can do with Malkin and Sid yet...although he has shown instant chemistry with Malkin which has been seemingly difficult through the years with him.

For $1.5M a season and adjusting to a brand new system on the fly..I'm not sure what more you could have reasonably expected...

If you're going to unjustifiably troll..why don't you start whining about how your man crush can't seem to stay healthy? Really earning that $8.7M a year, eh?

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10-25-2011, 01:45 PM
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You're even more dumb if you thought Sullivan was brought here to be a PPG player..he was here to be a complimentary role player to guys like Sid and Malkin, and help out on the PP...He's clearly done the latter thus far..unfortunately due to injuries we haven't seen what he can do with Malkin and Sid yet...although he has shown instant chemistry with Malkin which has been seemingly difficult through the years with him.

For $1.5M a season and adjusting to a brand new system on the fly..I'm not sure what more you could have reasonably expected...

If you're going to unjustifiably troll..why don't you start whining about how your man crush can't seem to stay healthy? Really earning that $8.7M a year, eh?
I never expected him to put up a ppg. But you seem quite content with him averaging like 20 points over a season. I was expecting like 40 points from him.

No doubt, malkin hasnt earned his contract the last 2+ seasons. There is nothing I can say to defend him besides the old he has played with fringe nhl players or its not his fault he has had so many injuries.

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I think he's been fine. Makes good plays, creates space, and can actually carry the puck into the zone on the PP which seems to be some lost art for this team.

I would love to see him putting up more points, of course, but it's no big deal.

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10-25-2011, 01:59 PM
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I never expected him to put up a ppg. But you seem quite content with him averaging like 20 points over a season. I was expecting like 40 points from him.

No doubt, malkin hasnt earned his contract the last 2+ seasons. There is nothing I can say to defend him besides the old he has played with fringe nhl players or its not his fault he has had so many injuries.
Extrapolating a small sample size to an entire season is senseless.

Is Eric Staal going to score 41 points this season? Dummy up.

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10-25-2011, 02:06 PM
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I am not saying he was a bad signing. I'd rather have sully than tangradi out there. All I said is that he simply isn't producing.3 points 10 games in is a joke when he gets loads of pp time and plays with neal.

I hope he starts executing on some of his many prime scoring opporunities.

I've made my point, I had no intention of getting under anyones skins. I feel like a liberal who criticized bush in the early 2000's; if you don't agree you are not a patriot and you should move out of the country.

Go pens, it'd be great to just beat the hell out of the isles.
Reminds me of Neal after he came over. I have never seen a player look so ggood and dominate so much and not have the statistical data to show for it as Neal at the end of last year. Remember when Staal had seven short handed goals in his rookie year? Staal is good on the PK, but that year everything just aligned and everything went in. I doubt he ever gets close to that number again. Neal last year, Sullivan this, is the opposite. Everything is there to see with anyone with eyes and the ability to process what they see, you know that eventually the stats will catch up like they did with Neal.

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Extrapolating a small sample size to an entire season is senseless.

Is Eric Staal going to score 41 points this season? Dummy up.
you mean James Neal isn't going to score 65 goals 8 Assists 73 points this season?

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you mean James Neal isn't going to score 65 goals 8 Assists 73 points this season?
I have a lingering doubt about Kessel cracking 90 goals and 150 points too.

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Extrapolating a small sample size to an entire season is senseless.

Is Eric Staal going to score 41 points this season? Dummy up.
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Reminds me of Neal after he came over. I have never seen a player look so ggood and dominate so much and not have the statistical data to show for it as Neal at the end of last year. Remember when Staal had seven short handed goals in his rookie year? Staal is good on the PK, but that year everything just aligned and everything went in. I doubt he ever gets close to that number again. Neal last year, Sullivan this, is the opposite. Everything is there to see with anyone with eyes and the ability to process what they see, you know that eventually the stats will catch up like they did with Neal.
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you mean James Neal isn't going to score 65 goals 8 Assists 73 points this season?
Came to argue the same thing but you guys already beat me to it..

I think this guy enjoys mind ****ing himself

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I have a lingering doubt about Kessel cracking 90 goals and 150 points too.
I think you mean Jagr, who jags6868 assures me despite the slow start will score exactly those numbers.

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I think you mean Jagr, who jags6868 assures me despite the slow start will score exactly those numbers.
...and that's only if he plays half the year

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I have a lingering doubt about Kessel cracking 90 goals and 150 points too.
I can't believe how far Kovalchuk fell..will this guy ever even come close to another 30 goal season again? Through the 6 games he's played so far..the stat page tells me no...

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I can't believe how far Kovalchuk fell..will this guy ever even come close to another 30 goal season again? Through the 6 games he's played so far..the stat page tells me no...
He's like James Neal in the way he scores. He only needs a short period of time to rack up insane goal totals.

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Sullivan has been great so far.

Is it really too much to ask for, though, that we hold up with the whole "OMG HE HSNUT SCORED, WAI WE NO TRADE STAAL/Fleury/Malkin/Crosby FOR WINGER!!!111oneoneeleven" threads untill we see a healthy team and a healthy amount of games to judge from?

Alot of what i'm reading could be copy paste from last season post neal trade, when he wasn't putting up points.
He's good, watch the games, don't read the stats.
Stats lie. sort of.

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My only concern with Sullivan, aside from the obvious durability issues, is how he plays come playoffs. He does his best work with a lot of room (ie powerplay), so how will he fare come tight-checking playoff games?

I think Nashville fans said he was good in the playoffs, though. Is that right?

Overall he's been a very nice signing.

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17 points in 44 playoff games. I can't speak to his play because I don't pay much attention to Nashville.

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17 points in 44 playoff games. I can't speak to his play because I don't pay much attention to Nashville.
he hasn't got much experience of going deep in the playoffs but I'm not too worried about his numbers as hopefully we'll have both Sid and Geno for him to play with come playoff time.

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Sullivan was brought in to be a complimentary player, not as a guy who the offense was built around. And that's how he's performed thus far. He's added an extra skill guy to the lineup, and has been doing his share of creating chances.

And as for this ridiculous "he's only on pace for 20 points" garbage, this is such a small sample size that even a single point can swing these "prorated stats" in dramatically. Maybe if he's only still on pace for 20 points at around the 70 game mark, it might be a valid argument to make. But for now, the best way to judge how well he's done is to actually watch what he does each game, not what his boxscore says.

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10-25-2011, 07:45 PM
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I don't give a rat's ass about Sullivan's numbers. I care about what he can bring to the powerplay. That's all I'm concerned about, and thus far he's helped that unit 10 fold.

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I am satisfied with his play so far. Guy just can't buy a goal right now, but hopefully he gets his due sooner rather than later!

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