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10-26-2011, 06:39 AM
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It's a non-issue for those players that do wear them. They don't seem bothered by obstructed vision or foggging. If Kessel and Grabo can wear them without problems, and still put up big numbers, then it's all just excuses. Heck, even Ovie and Crosby wear visors.

The fogging issue was never much of a problem. Back when I played the transparent visors were just coming out. They only fogged if you didn't apply an anti-fog film on it before game time. Shampoo, believe it or not, worked very well, to keep the visor from foggin hehehe. I imagine some better products have been developed since then.


It's all just excuses. People, including hockey players, just don't like change.

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10-26-2011, 06:47 AM
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I'm more of a cage guy myself, but apparently this stuff works more or less flawlessly, and completely eliminates visor fog if used properly:

http://www.fogtech.com/fogtech.html

Visors can still be a minor, minor distraction even without fog, and some guys like to feel the fresh air on their face, but IMO it's a change that's very easy to get used to. I think guys mostly don't wear them so as to look more manly, and for fighters they don't wear them so they can keep their helmets on during fights (get rocked or taken down in a fight without your helmet on and your head can smash on the ice, causing very serious damage, I have a friend of a friend who died this way).
They've had the anti fog sprays around for at least 20 years. Sure they stink, but they do a pretty good job of keeping the visor fog free. As for the fighters, I think they could use some kind of quick release mechanism that makes the visor either removable or maybe flippable to the backside of the helm. Fight is bout to start? Drop gloves, "drop" your visor, and you're gtg.

At the end of the day, though, the players have the option to use visors. If they feel their vision is not important enough for them to protect, who are we to argue?

I can see where the GMs are coming from, though. In a sense, they're trying to protect their "investments".

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10-26-2011, 07:48 AM
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My wife and I were talking about this last week while looking up and down the Leafs' bench. There were probably at least a dozen players in the shot and only one (Brown?) wasn't wearing one.

I think a grandfathered visor rule is a good idea, as it would eliminate any remaining visor stigma. But based on the number of young guys who come into the league wearing them, we're essentially already there.

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10-26-2011, 08:22 AM
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It's you who should get their facts straight.

How many times has Cherry talked about a player pulling a cheap tactic (non-fighting related) and said something to the effect of this player being a visor-wearing ninny?

Tons of times. It's not just the fighting ramifications of visors that Cherry has issues with.
And the thing is, usually he's right. I play in a league, supposed to be non-hitting. No cage or visor is mandatory. And I can handle some bumping and some chippy hockey, that's fine, but you know who's usually behind, the cheap hits from behind, the sticks up in the air, the crosschecks to the back, and running away first? The kids behind the cages. That's who.

Look, I don't even care if you want to pull that crap during beer league hockey. But if you're gonna, don't hide behind a cage and be exactly what you say Cherry is talking about. Again, I think visors are a good thing. I remember watching live when Berard took the stick to his eye. I think they should be grandfathered in eventually, but, if you're gonna run around a be a little **** out there, or if you're gonna be a fighter, don't bother.

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10-26-2011, 08:33 AM
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It makes no sense to have just defencemen wear mandatory visors and not all players.

btw - holmgren's nickname is homer? ouch

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10-26-2011, 08:56 AM
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And the thing is, usually he's right. I play in a league, supposed to be non-hitting. No cage or visor is mandatory. And I can handle some bumping and some chippy hockey, that's fine, but you know who's usually behind, the cheap hits from behind, the sticks up in the air, the crosschecks to the back, and running away first? The kids behind the cages. That's who.

Look, I don't even care if you want to pull that crap during beer league hockey. But if you're gonna, don't hide behind a cage and be exactly what you say Cherry is talking about. Again, I think visors are a good thing. I remember watching live when Berard took the stick to his eye. I think they should be grandfathered in eventually, but, if you're gonna run around a be a little **** out there, or if you're gonna be a fighter, don't bother.
If it becomes mandatory, then everyone will be wearing one, so they all could be considered "hiding" behind one. In other words, all players would be on equal ground in terms of visors.

There's currently a rule at the NHL level where fighting is concerned. If you fight while wearing a visor, and you opponent doesn't have one, you are assessed an extra 2 minute minor.

I'm guessing if they do make it mandatory, we'll see manufacturers come out with a "quick release" system for fighters wearing a visor. A sort of, one button way to have the visor come away, so fighters can do their thing, like 4evaBlue suggested.

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10-26-2011, 09:09 AM
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Way to go after probably one of the biggest proponents of safety in hockey.
yeah lol

I think if it was made mandatory the fighting issue would go away - it's only a problem when some enforcers wear them and some don't.

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If it becomes mandatory, then everyone will be wearing one, so they all could be considered "hiding" behind one. In other words, all players would be on equal ground in terms of visors.

There's currently a rule at the NHL level where fighting is concerned. If you fight while wearing a visor, and you opponent doesn't have one, you are assessed an extra 2 minute minor.

I'm guessing if they do make it mandatory, we'll see manufacturers come out with a "quick release" system for fighters wearing a visor. A sort of, one button way to have the visor come away, so fighters can do their thing, like 4evaBlue suggested.
No they wouldn't. I was just giving the poster an example of Cherry possibly being right about people 'hiding' behind visors or cages in this instance. It happens. But you're right. It puts everyone on the same street.

It's a good rule that they put in place. Although I imagine you could then do away with it if they became mandatory.

The quick release system would be great. It would allow players to remove the visors so they don't have to worry about punching a visor, yet keeping their helmet on so they don't smack their head off the ice. There's some good developments being made, and it's definitely interesting, at least I think, to hear different takes on it from fans and analysts alike.

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10-26-2011, 09:12 AM
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Why can't you people let the grown men make their own choices?

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10-26-2011, 09:16 AM
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10-26-2011, 09:26 AM
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Why can't you people let the grown men make their own choices?
because it is such an easily preventable injury, and although it is rare it should never happen that someone loses their vision.

I know you can take that "if they wanna take that risk let em" but this is more than just the players. Imagine of Crosby/OV didn't wear a visor and they got a stick to the eye and were out of hockey forever because of it? How dumb is that? The league is working so hard to to safeguard against headshots, hits from behind, and anything that can lead to a concussion, but that is a hard job. Throwing a visor on the remaining few that don't already have them is such an easy fix, it is stupid not to do it.

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10-26-2011, 09:35 AM
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because it is such an easily preventable injury, and although it is rare it should never happen that someone loses their vision.

I know you can take that "if they wanna take that risk let em" but this is more than just the players. Imagine of Crosby/OV didn't wear a visor and they got a stick to the eye and were out of hockey forever because of it? How dumb is that? The league is working so hard to to safeguard against headshots, hits from behind, and anything that can lead to a concussion, but that is a hard job. Throwing a visor on the remaining few that don't already have them is such an easy fix, it is stupid not to do it.

Name me one player that lost his vision permanently as a result of not wearing a visor? (that's not a rhetorical question, I'm wondering if there actually are any)

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10-26-2011, 09:53 AM
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Why can't you people let the grown men make their own choices?
Too many "grown men" are just plain stupid.

If given the choice, less people would wear seat belts, bike helmets, motorcycle helmets
and racing on city streets would become the norm. What keeps people from doing these stupid things, are the law the the penalties that enforce that law.

It's the same with sports. Until a new piece of safety equipment becomes mandatory, most grown men will ignore it for a whole slew of reasons.

There was a time when helmets were optional in the NHL. Good thing they didn't let those grown men decide for themselves.

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Name me one player that lost his vision permanently as a result of not wearing a visor? (that's not a rhetorical question, I'm wondering if there actually are any)
My uncle. He may not have ever played in the NHL, but he's been blind in one eye since the 80's, due to an errant stick, during a men's league game. He wasn't wearing a visor.

Edit: if you're looking for an NHLer that lost his vision. I believe Bernie Parent lost vision in one eye and retired because if it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Parent

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Shampoo, believe it or not, worked very well, to keep the visor from foggin hehehe. I imagine some better products have been developed since then.


It's all just excuses. People, including hockey players, just don't like change.
Sunlight dish soap works really well too. I used to use it on my paintball masks.

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Cherry has a problem with people who fight with visors on. Get you facts straight before you try to attack someone.

Players have the choice to wear one or not to. Its up to them, they are big boys who can make their own decisions. Stop trying to change something that has no affect on you. People are becoming softer every day.
In a normal situation, I am in 100% agreement that as grown men they should have a choice over if they want to wear a visor or not but the case of NHL players is special. The reason I say this is that NHL player, especially stars, have a huge amount of money invested in them. If these players are hurt, franchises lose not only the player, but potentially wins and playoff revenue that may have been made. Also, fans of the team pay to see their favourite players play. Flyers fans are not going to be as happy going to see their team play without Pronger. Since the majority of eye injuries are preventable through the use of visors, the NHL owners should have the right to dictate to it's players that they must wear visors.

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My uncle. He may not have ever played in the NHL, but he's been blind in one eye since the 80's, due to an errant stick, during a men's league game. He wasn't wearing a visor.

Edit: if you're looking for an NHLer that lost his vision. I believe Bernie Parent lost vision in one eye and retired because if it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Parent
Parent had a teammate, (maybe Ed VanImpe or one of the Watson brothers??) who's career was over.

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Why can't you people let the grown men make their own choices?
Yeah seriously, I'm a grown man why force us to wear seatbelts while driving? geez.








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Parent had a teammate, (maybe Ed VanImpe or one of the Watson brothers??) who's career was over.
Found this on Joe Watson.

.... "Just 16 games into his first campaign, while playing against St. Louis, Watson chased a loose puck near the end of the ice. The Blues' Wayne Babych checked him against the boards, leaving the fallen rearguard with the worst broken leg in NHL history. His thighbone was shattered into 14 pieces and his kneecap was split in two. Watson's career on ice was over. He was lucky to escape with only a permanently disabled leg... "

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/Legen...p?player=14650

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Name me one player that lost his vision permanently as a result of not wearing a visor? (that's not a rhetorical question, I'm wondering if there actually are any)
But why wait for it to happen? If visors reduce the risk of eye injuries, mandate them. It really is as simple as that.

Bryan Berard was eventually able to resume his career after he took a stick in the eye, but he was never the same.

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Not really a big deal to me, it's a players choice, and a comfort thing.

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Cherry has a problem with people who fight with visors on. Get you facts straight before you try to attack someone.

Players have the choice to wear one or not to. Its up to them, they are big boys who can make their own decisions. Stop trying to change something that has no affect on you. People are becoming softer every day.
are you kidding man?

he constantly gives backhanded insults to visor wearing players. i remember watching HNIC last year (leafs vs buffalo in buffalo) and he said something to the effect that players with visors should not act tough around players with visors

i've constantly listened to him making cases why visors are not manly
it's kind of a 'tough guy' issue. if people did not have to wear seat belts, many would not.

sometimes you have to mandate things for people's own good because there are people like you and cherry out there

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10-26-2011, 10:50 AM
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because it is such an easily preventable injury, and although it is rare it should never happen that someone loses their vision.
To elaborate on this point. How often do players get hit with the puck (or a stick) in the privates? Not very often. Do people think they'd even consider going on the ice without wearing a jock?

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The problem with visors I think(?) is they fog up mid-shift and mess up your vision.

If that can fix that issue, I don't think they'd have an excuses left.

What's up with cages, though? Are they illegal in the NHL?
yea because we've seen a million shots of players sitting on the bench with fogged up visors

give me a break. all top players wear them, especially the snipers

it's the goons and wannabe tough guys

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I say leave it up to the players. If they want to take the risk and not wear one, then fine. They know the risks. You're seeing more and more players wearing them now anyway.

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