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10-26-2011, 04:05 PM
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Luongo had a goaltending coach who challenged him to be aggressive, make himself even bigger. Everyone here made fun of him, the coach treated him like **** and the GM fired him.
Oh, yeah, poor Ian Clark, the team treated him terribly. Drafting his kid to keep him happy, letting him do his job by commuting from Dallas to Vancouver whenever it was convenient for him. Just brutal, I can't imagine how he put up with such abuse.

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Luongo had a goaltending coach who challenged him to be aggressive, make himself even bigger. Everyone here made fun of him, the coach treated him like **** and the GM fired him.

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It's not about technique or coaching, it's about fighting for the puck. And not fading into your net. It's a classic symptom of goalies with confidence issues. Fading into the net. Not a good sign and nothng a coach can do for you.

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Oh, yeah, poor Ian Clark, the team treated him terribly. Drafting his kid to keep him happy, letting him do his job by commuting from Dallas to Vancouver whenever it was convenient for him. Just brutal, I can't imagine how he put up with such abuse.
They couldn't pay him enough for him to give up his business, our coach mocked him in the press and our GM fired him.

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It's not about technique or coaching, it's about fighting for the puck. And not fading into your net. It's a classic symptom of goalies with confidence issues. Fading into the net. Not a good sign and nothng a coach can do for you.
Alberts was standing in front of him. Odds are Eberle takes the puck and tries to go around him. I disagree that he should have come six feet out of the net on that play because most players wouldn't try to shoot through Alberts.

If he lacks confidence, the team certainly isn't doing much to help him, are they? Show up on time for a change, maybe score first?

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Alberts was standing in front of him. Odds are Eberle takes the puck and tries to go around him. I disagree that he should have come six feet out of the net on that play because most players wouldn't try to shoot through Alberts.

If he lacks confidence, the team certainly isn't doing much to help him, are they? Show up on time for a change, maybe score first?
OK, you're the goalie. You've read the scouting reports, the puck comes to Eberle in the slot. What do you think he's going to do?

It's hard to play with confidence when you know every mistake is going to end up in the back of your net and your goalie could implode at any moment. Watch this team in front of Schneider tonight, completley different. They can say they love Luongo and support him all they want. The proof is in the pudding, they have no confidence in him right now.

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10-26-2011, 04:22 PM
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OK, you're the goalie. You've read the scouting reports, the puck comes to Eberle in the slot. What do you think he's going to do?

It's hard to play with confidence when you know every mistake is going to end up in the back of your net and your goalie could implode at any moment. Watch this team in front of Schneider tonight. They can say they love him and support him all they want. The proof is in the pudding, they have no confidence in him right now.
It was a split second decision with Alberts screening him. Does he even know it's Eberle?

Have you been watching the other games? The Canucks slow starts have been an issue regardless of who is in net. Is Luongo somehow willing the team to have 1 shot on the PP? That's garbage.

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10-26-2011, 04:25 PM
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This is what's bugging me about his play as well. The Smyth goal was just a matter of being strong on the puck. Not sure what he was thinking trying to play the puck with his glove hand behind the net, a 12 year old would have been chewed out for that, but once he gave the puck away he needed to be hard on his angle and force the puck outside to stay, instead he doesn't take his eyes off the guy at the side of the net and fades.

Same as the Eberle goal. Jordan Eberle gets the puck in the slot, what do you assume? He's going to shoot and going to shoot high. So you challenge him, not fade into the back of your net and flail your arm at it. He should have been 6 feet further out, would have hit him in the shoulder. Looked like classic Fleix Potvin on that one...

A lot of his goals have come from his horrendous puck handlng and being weak on the puck. Players blow him right back into the net right now (3rd goal) and that makes it real easy. You have to fight for the puck even when in net. He's slow to cover and not battling. Frustrating. He better figure it out soon.
On the Smyth goal, Luongo did protect the angle and the bottom of the net. Somehow, Smyth skated right between the net and Hamhuis and passed the puck past Henrik and to either of the 2 open players in the slot.

The Eberle goal came so quick, there is no physical way for Luongo (or anybody else) to come out and challenge - simply impossible. Luongo might have caught the shot, but that's really all that could've happened.

Hall bowled over 3 other players before bowling through Luongo, can nobody take the man anymore?

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It was a split second decision with Alberts screening him. Does he even know it's Eberle?

Have you been watching the other games? The Canucks slow starts have been an issue regardless of who is in net. Is Luongo somehow willing the team to have 1 shot on the PP? That's garbage.
Should leave this to the Luongo thread but yeah he should know Eberle is on the ice.

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10-26-2011, 04:29 PM
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On the Smyth goal, Luongo did protect the angle and the bottom of the net. Somehow, Smyth skated right between the net and Hamhuis and passed the puck past Henrik and to either of the 2 open players in the slot.

The Eberle goal came so quick, there is no physical way for Luongo (or anybody else) to come out and challenge - simply impossible. Luongo might have caught the shot, but that's really all that could've happened.

Hall bowled over 3 other players before bowling through Luongo, can nobody take the man anymore?
OK sure, I'll buy your excuses for him, you guys have enough of them, but can you guys blame the forwards or D for his choice to play the puck behind the net with his glove? Seriously, peewee kids would get chewed for that...

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10-26-2011, 04:31 PM
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Should leave this to the Luongo thread but yeah he should know Eberle is on the ice.
And who did we have on the ice? and where were they, certainly not covering Eberle? No, they were all chasing around Hall -as usual.

Is nobody recognizing the pattern here?

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10-26-2011, 04:32 PM
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Alberts was standing in front of him. Odds are Eberle takes the puck and tries to go around him. I disagree that he should have come six feet out of the net on that play because most players wouldn't try to shoot through Alberts.

If he lacks confidence, the team certainly isn't doing much to help him, are they? Show up on time for a change, maybe score first?
Luongo was way back in the crease. There was no need as there were no other Oiler players near the net. The only play for Eberle was a shot as there were two Canucks blocking a move to the net from the high slot (he was almost at the top of the face-off circle).

As soon as the puck came across from the side boards Luongo should have been tracking it and been at the top of his crease at the very least not standing on the goal line.
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10-26-2011, 04:35 PM
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OK sure, I'll buy your excuses for him, you guys have enough of them, but can you guys blame the forwards or D for his choice to play the puck behind the net with his glove? Seriously, peewee kids would get chewed for that...
And what would a pee wee coach say about letting Smyth come out from behind the net -unchecked, or letting the 2 wingers skate past our 2 wingers and into the slot - unchecked, or our centerman getting mesmerized by the play and not only not taking a man, but not even trying for the pass either.

What would a pee wee coach say - indeed.

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Ben Kuzma article on the battle of the back-up goalies.

AV looking for more consistency from the D:
“Our whole defensive unit has more potential that it has shown and Kevin being a big part of that and playing big minutes,” said Vigneault, who may alter his pairings against the Blues. “In some situations, he might be getting exposed a little bit more than others. But that being said, this whole group is better than it has shown so far. It’s not a lack of willingness and not wanting to do well. For some reason, we’re a little off right now. We’re there in spurts, but we’ve got to put it all together which we haven’t done.

“I’ve got a tremendous amount of confidence that we’ll become a consistent team soon.”
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10-26-2011, 04:42 PM
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And who did we have on the ice? and where were they, certainly not covering Eberle? No, they were all chasing around Hall -as usual.

Is nobody recognizing the pattern here?
I'd agree on this one; that goal was a defensive gong-show, but you still have to place some of the blame on Luongo for being too deep in his crease AND going down early to give Eberle a huge hole to shoot at over his left shoulder. That being said, Malhotra has absolutely no business trying some cute pass out of the zone...his play has been pretty terrible, and he should make the safe play off the boards there. Then Hodgson was uber-weak along the boards against Hall, and Bieksa and Alberts just didn't have anyone covered. All six guys on the ice contributed to that one, including Luongo.

I'll link this into tonight's game thread by saying everyone has to tighten up in our own zone; hey look! Vigneault is saying the same thing he did about Bieksa when he sucked prior to last year! God, giant deja vu about this whole thing. Of course he'll 'play his way out of it' AV.

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They couldn't pay him enough for him to give up his business, our coach mocked him in the press and our GM fired him.
As I understood it, Clark staying in Dallas had nothing to do with his salary; he wasn't able to move for legal reasons involving his child custody agreement with his ex-wife. I also don't recall AV ever "mocking" him in the press. Link to an example?

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Great to see a GDT just turn into an extended "All Purpose Luongo Thread"

Can we not have a single discussion that doesn't end in *****ing about Luongo?

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I just can't get this. We're CANUCKS fans ffs. We have the worst history of goalies in the history of sport. We have one of the top goalies in the league, and our best goalie ever, for 5.33 a year on the cap. It could be SO much worse people.

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SO true... We could easily be in the Leafs shoes; depending on a Tim Hortons Bagel BELT actor.

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I for one am personally tired of every GDT coming back to goaltending.

I can't wait for this month to be ****ing over.

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They couldn't pay him enough for him to give up his business, our coach mocked him in the press and our GM fired him.
I would like to see/read this!

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OK, you're the goalie. You've read the scouting reports, the puck comes to Eberle in the slot. What do you think he's going to do?

It's hard to play with confidence when you know every mistake is going to end up in the back of your net and your goalie could implode at any moment. Watch this team in front of Schneider tonight, completley different. They can say they love Luongo and support him all they want. The proof is in the pudding, they have no confidence in him right now.
Pretty hard to play goalie when your skaters are blowing assignments and leaving passing lanes to elite players open in all areas of the slot.

This team is sucking defensively right now, and that includes all 6 Canucks on the ice, not just the one in the crease.

Game day thread, not Luongo v Schnieder thread.

AV is on the money as usual while the media and 'fans' muck about wondering who will play goal and when one of them might get traded.

Every forward line is blowing assignments big time and its what gave the Oilers three goals quickly last night. That has to be better. The team did NOT play any better in front of Schneider. Put down the kool-aid if you think they did. This goes out to everyone not just you, Reign.

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Note that RSN Pacific will also be carrying the game due to the World Series being postponed due to weather.

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Pretty hard to play goalie when your skaters are blowing assignments and leaving passing lanes to elite players open in all areas of the slot.

This team is sucking defensively right now, and that includes all 6 Canucks on the ice, not just the one in the crease.

Game day thread, not Luongo v Schnieder thread.

AV is on the money as usual while the media and 'fans' muck about wondering who will play goal and when one of them might get traded.

Every forward line is blowing assignments big time and its what gave the Oilers three goals quickly last night. That has to be better. The team did NOT play any better in front of Schneider. Put down the kool-aid if you think they did. This goes out to everyone not just you, Reign.
Last night on the Oilers third goal Burrows is in good position on Hall crossing the Canucks blue line as Hall makes a pass to the right wing to Nugent-Hopkins. However Edler trips Burrows up with his skate and Burrows goes down to the ice letting Hall come free. Edler then stumbles over Burrows and he cannot get to Hall as Nugent Hopkins moves the puck back to Hall for the goal.
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Watching TSN and AV says something along the lines of the team "being due" for a good October...

Really!?

Talking along those lines makes it sound like nothing is being done differently and the coaches just believe that these horrible starts will sort themselves out...some things might be being done differently, but the results are still the same.

That's a really stupid thing for AV to say...since horrible starts seem to be the norm, be proactive about it...don't just wait around for things to change simply because the team may be "due".

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Last night on the Oilers third goal Burrows is in good position on Hall crossing the Canucks blue line as Hall makes a pass to the right wing to Nugent-Hopkins. However Edler trips Burrows up with his skate and Burrows goes down to the ice letting Hall come free. Edler then stumbles over Burrows and he cannot get to Hall as Nugent Hopkins moves the puck back to Hall for the goal.
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...DM884&fr=false
You'll also notice that Daniel races over to Hall, then proceeds to do nothing but a half hearted hook, and Henrik also heads toward Hall, leaving both RNH and Eberle wide open.

Ballard is the only player that played that right (posionally) and he just got bowled over by Hall

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You'll also notice that Daniel races over to Hall, then proceeds to do nothing but a half hearted hook, and Henrik also heads toward Hall, leaving both RNH and Eberle wide open.

Ballard is the only player that played that right (posionally) and he just got bowled over by Hall
Sums up the twins defensive play in game 7 against the Bruins.

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