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10-27-2011, 10:45 AM
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Mathias Emilio Petterson could be the highest drafted Norwegian ever. You only have to wait till 2018 to see...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VckSnkJs5qA
Isn't there a Danish "phenom" too?

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If Brazil was to be included then (Robyn) Regehr would be the highest-drafted Brazilian player.

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There is potential for Slovakia to better there 3rd overall.

Patrik Koys is a pretty good player.

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10-27-2011, 10:49 AM
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He has Swiss nationality.
well, basically do we count nationality(by ID, by passport) or ethnicity??

for example Nail Yakupov would very possible be the first ever Tatar player gone 1st overall.He isn't Russian even by a drop of blood.Said this numerous times in interviews he's pure Tatar and his parents speak Tatar at home.

also he might be first ever Muslim gone first on draft.i don't know realy.


as about Russia, i wish it was no Russian factor because a lot of guys deserves much higher place on draft.Well anyway i know that my country start finaly produce some great players and is not in decline now.I hope to see much more Russians in NHL because this country is a hockey powerhouse and modern NHL will lost it's important part if with less Russians and their unique skills and style of play.


P:S: Very happy for Latvia, i realy like their programme, it's a very small country yet they have some gems.I was dissapointed Jets didn't give opportunity to Arturs Kulda, he's so solid stay-home defender but now i think he''ll be in KHL in 1-2 year, he wasn't given a chance he deserves.

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10-27-2011, 11:27 AM
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It looks like it.

In which case someone needs to learn some geography

The United Kingdom is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Scotland fields its own international teams.

But thanks for your continuous condescending posts in true British fashion

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10-27-2011, 11:31 AM
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Scotland fields its own international teams.

But thanks for your continuous condescending posts in true British fashion
Listing the UK and Scotland doesn't make sense. Do you not see this?

It's either the UK, or England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland.

He's right, learn geography.

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10-27-2011, 11:33 AM
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Listing the UK and Scotland doesn't make sense. Do you not see this?

It's either the UK, or England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland.

He's right, learn geography.
It's not MY geography

But thanks again J17

http://www.eliteprospects.com/nhldraft.php

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10-27-2011, 11:40 AM
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It's not MY geography

But thanks again J17

http://www.eliteprospects.com/nhldraft.php

Yes Zing. The research you are using is wrong. That makes you correct. It's basically the same logic as blaming your brain for a bank robbery.

One cannot be registered and play for Scotland and compete against the UK, because it would infer that if Scotland is a solitary hockey federation, then England etc would be too.

You would make a medicore lawyer.

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10-27-2011, 11:44 AM
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Yes Zing. The research you are using is wrong. That makes you correct. It's basically the same logic as blaming your brain for a bank robbery.

One cannot be registered and play for Scotland and compete against the UK, because it would infer that if Scotland is a solitary hockey federation, then England etc would be too.

You would make a medicore lawyer.
Listen.

This isn't my research why can't you get that through your head.

But again... Thanks J17. You're a pal

I couldn't give a **** really. Ethnically it's worth it hence why I keep it.

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10-27-2011, 11:48 AM
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Listen.

This isn't my research why can't you get that through your head.

But again... Thanks J17. You're a pal

I couldn't give a **** really. Ethnically it's worth it hence why I keep it.
Considering you posted it, expecting answers, i would suggest that implies it is. You provided information (secondary) to attempt to reach a conclusion with our help. I'd suggest thats research.

Ethnically it's worth it? What does that even mean.

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10-27-2011, 11:52 AM
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Who's that Dutchman who was drafted # 104 overall ? I doubt that will change anytime soon.

Still, I love all those (former) Dutch surnames in the NHL. Bouwmeester, Verbeek, Boogaard, De Vries, Hamhuis, Heerema, Staal, Nieuwendyk, Byslma, Yzerman (I believe has Dutch relatives), Beukeboom, Van Ryn.

Just love it.

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10-27-2011, 11:53 AM
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Considering you posted it, expecting answers, i would suggest that implies it is. You provided information (secondary) to attempt to reach a conclusion with our help. I'd suggest thats research.

Ethnically it's worth it? What does that even mean.

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10-27-2011, 11:56 AM
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Belarus, Kazakhstan and Latvia produce lots of KHL players so there is at least enough development to produce high level players in the world. As the years go by, there is definitely a chance a player will come from there one day that will go very high in the draft.

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10-27-2011, 12:54 PM
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10-27-2011, 01:46 PM
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To be fair, Darren Fletcher plays for Scotland - Rooney for England. They are both from the UK, but play on different national teams. And I assumed that's how we're separating the players yes? national teams?

I mean, I'm pretty sure we know what whoever said meant and therefore can all move on knowing we're all actually correct, but arguing different things for the sake of taking the ****

EDIT: nvm, maybe I'm confused but the same person who is saying Scotland should be counted separate listed them within the UK in their own OP?

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10-27-2011, 01:49 PM
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Ukraine 41st Overall
My son is projected to be drafted late 1st/early 2nd in 2025 draft. Though, I'm not sure Ukraine will exist as independent country by the time.

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10-27-2011, 01:51 PM
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To be fair, Darren Fletcher plays for Scotland - Rooney for England. They are both from the UK, but play on different national teams. And I assumed that's how we're separating the players yes? national teams?

I mean, I'm pretty sure we know what whoever said meant and therefore can all move on knowing we're all actually correct, but arguing different things for the sake of taking the ****

EDIT: nvm, maybe I'm confused but the same person who is saying Scotland should be counted separate listed them within the UK in their own OP?
They are also both from Europe, but they don't play for Team Europe...

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10-27-2011, 01:57 PM
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They are also both from Europe, but they don't play for Team Europe...
They would if there was one and they were both good enough to play for it.

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10-27-2011, 01:58 PM
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To be fair, Darren Fletcher plays for Scotland - Rooney for England. They are both from the UK, but play on different national teams. And I assumed that's how we're separating the players yes? national teams?

I mean, I'm pretty sure we know what whoever said meant and therefore can all move on knowing we're all actually correct, but arguing different things for the sake of taking the ****

EDIT: nvm, maybe I'm confused but the same person who is saying Scotland should be counted separate listed them within the UK in their own OP?
They should be listed under the national team they are eligble to play for. That is Great Britain, thus that is the nationality they should be assigned in relation to this discussion.

But the original point is this. If one player is listed as Scottish (Assuming there was a Scottish national team operating in thr IIHF) then another player cannot be labelled under Great Britain (Or UK, though UK means something slightly different to Great Britain), as Scotland operates under Great Britain/UK and thus it's a contradiction if one player is labelled under the big umbrella, whilst another is treated within his seperate entity of the big umbrella. Scotland and Great Britain can never co-exist in sports, as Great Britain is either unified (Olympics, some Rugby) or seperated into different nations (England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland).

As for Great Britain in relation to the question, the answer it is unlikely. The sport is very minor here, with no real movement in support and a very small player pool/access to ice. It would take random chance. A supremely talented athlete with amazing dedication who leaves for an outside development programme relatively young.

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Yes Zing. The research you are using is wrong. That makes you correct. It's basically the same logic as blaming your brain for a bank robbery.

One cannot be registered and play for Scotland and compete against the UK, because it would infer that if Scotland is a solitary hockey federation, then England etc would be too.

You would make a medicore lawyer.
Totally agree dude. Can you believe Granlund2Pulkinen wouldn't even edit/backcheck the entire article before posting it.

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They should be listed under the national team they are eligble to play for. That is Great Britain, thus that is the nationality they should be assigned in relation to this discussion.

But the original point is this. If one player is listed as Scottish (Assuming there was a Scottish national team operating in thr IIHF) then another player cannot be labelled under Great Britain (Or UK, though UK means something slightly different to Great Britain), as Scotland operates under Great Britain/UK and thus it's a contradiction if one player is labelled under the big umbrella, whilst another is treated within his seperate entity of the big umbrella. Scotland and Great Britain can never co-exist in sports, as Great Britain is either unified (Olympics, some Rugby) or seperated into different nations (England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland).

As for Great Britain in relation to the question, the answer it is unlikely. The sport is very minor here, with no real movement in support and a very small player pool/access to ice. It would take random chance. A supremely talented athlete with amazing dedication who leaves for an outside development programme relatively young.
but N Ireland is in the UK not Great Britain

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10-27-2011, 03:13 PM
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Looks like we're back into the debates over "who is what?" There are some like Goran Bezina and Patrik Nemeth who fall into strange situations. Bezina was born in Croatia and is ethnically Croatian, but represents Switzerland. Nemeth is ethnically Hungarian, but was born in Sweden and represents Sweden.

The only way to settle this would be by stratifying everyone into a particular level. For example...(with "ethnic" referring to being second-generation or later within that country)
Level 1 - Ethnic, born, raised, trained, represents internationally
Level 2 - Four of the above five hold true
Level 3 - Three of the above hold true
Level 4 - Two of the above hold true
Level 5 - One of the above hold true
Level 6 - None of the above ("Christina Ricci effect", she of the Italian name but only 1/32 Italian)

But then we get to the real heart of the matter, which is that this all is a very bizarre exercise to begin with. To poke a huge hole in it, we're trying to define someone's ethnicity by proxy. Eric Staal may have a Dutch name, but so what? Is there anything about his family that is actually Dutch, and for that matter, how long has his family been in North America?

I'll use myself as an example. My last name is considered to be either French or Turkish, but it's actually Anglicized Hungarian. By extraction, I'm more Italian than Hungarian. My mother's family is right over from Italy; her parents were immigrants, which make my mother first-generation American. On my dad's side, his grandparents on one side were immigrants as were his great-grandparents on the other...but there's a line that can be traced back to the earliest English settlements in New England. So what would my ethnicity be if I represented the United States internationally? I grew up eating more Italian food than Hungarian food, but my wife (of West Virginian and Croatian descent) makes better lasagna than my Italian mother.

I think at the end of the day, we can only throw up our hands and define all of this the same way that pornography is defined...I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.

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Romania...

...Transylvania may produce an NHL draft caliber player.
The closest would be Arpad Mihaly, who wasn't drafted and never made the NHL despite several years in the AHL.

If I remember right, he may have played a preseason game or two with Philadelphia in 2000 or 2001.

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but N Ireland is in the UK not Great Britain
Northern Ireland is not part of Britain, but does form part of Great Britain sports teams.

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