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10-27-2011, 10:11 AM
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Evander Kane

It is on ESPN's site today and they cite 2 other local Winnipeg sites that Evander Kane does not like Winnipeg head coach Claude Noel and wants out in a bad way.

What would it take to get this ideal player for the Islanders.

This is that forward that does not take crap and can score?

Bailey and a 1st and 2nd?
Okposo and a 1st?

We all know that he would be awesome playing alongside JT.

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10-27-2011, 10:13 AM
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I would do Bailey + 1st and 2nd in a heartbeat.

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10-27-2011, 10:19 AM
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This kid is struggling in much the same way as Okposo/Bailey. Why are fans ready to throw those guys into the wood chipper, yet give players plus a 1st rounder for Kane?

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10-27-2011, 10:20 AM
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This kid is struggling in much the same way as Okposo/Bailey. Why are fans ready to throw those guys into the wood chipper, yet give players plus a 1st rounder for Kane?
Just for the fact he knocked out Matt Cooke I'm in for a trade.

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10-27-2011, 10:22 AM
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This kid is struggling in much the same way as Okposo/Bailey. Why are fans ready to throw those guys into the wood chipper, yet give players plus a 1st rounder for Kane?
Something about the grass always being greener on the other side. Reminds me of all the Bogosian trade threads from the summer. Although to be fair, I have no idea how Bogosian has been this season.

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10-27-2011, 10:54 AM
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i actually would consider ko and a 2nd for this guy. from what i remember seeing of him, he has similar intangibles as okposo(useful player even when not putting up points) but he also plays with an edge that we always wanted to see from ko.
like someone else already stated, i think he'd actually work real well with jt...ie, the guy who can score but also keep other teams honest with tavares.

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10-27-2011, 11:13 AM
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Evander Kane's agent, Craig Oster, has debunked a rumor that his client wants out of Winnipeg.
"I've spoken with Evander and this is completely untrue," said Oster after some word spread around the Twitterverse and other websites. "Neither he nor us have talked about a trade. Evander is very excited to be in Winnipeg and about his future with Winnipeg." The Jets have left the hanger with a rocky 2-5-1 record and Kane has sputtered early into the year with just one goal and one assist in seven appearances. The 20-year-old winger should still be viewed as possible breakout candidate, as he has plenty of potential, but he has turn his game around along with a number of his struggling teammates
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...=142087&spln=1

We can speculate, but I wouldn't bet on it happening.

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10-27-2011, 11:24 AM
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This kid is struggling in much the same way as Okposo/Bailey. Why are fans ready to throw those guys into the wood chipper, yet give players plus a 1st rounder for Kane?
It is the grit factor that our top 9 forwards lack. That type of grit is needed in the top 6, so that we don't have to suit up Gillies or Haley to protect players when they are not on the ice with the players that need protection. Plus Kane has not struggled like Bailey has.

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10-27-2011, 11:27 AM
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I would love to have him. I'd give a 1st and bailey for sure

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10-27-2011, 11:36 AM
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Well, I've seen Kane play a bit in Atlanta watching games on Center Ice. I like his game...similar to how KO plays...when both are going they drive to the net very well. I wouldn't trade KO for him. Not much difference in numbers (I think KO's might be a little better) and it'd be a wash in terms of what he brings to the Isles. But I'd love to have him in addition to KO. I don't think we have enough grit and willingness to battle along the boards among our current crop of forwards, and he'd bring that. In the unlikely event Peg would trade him for Bailey+ I'd do it. Even if Bailey turns it around and becomes a decent second liner, I don't think we'd be disappointed in Kane. We'd give up a potential playmaker in Bailey for the grit and strength of Kane. Personally, I think the Isles could use the grit and strength more than another playmaker.

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10-27-2011, 12:06 PM
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Okposo might work well with JT... Who is to say if Kane was brought in, PA would be moved elsewhere.

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10-27-2011, 12:17 PM
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okposo is better then kane, he will get going but in each of their first 2 seasons okposo was the better player, i would be willing to get rid of bailey and a pick or comeau and a pick for him though

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what about a trade involving nino?

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10-27-2011, 12:45 PM
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It is the grit factor that our top 9 forwards lack. That type of grit is needed in the top 6, so that we don't have to suit up Gillies or Haley to protect players when they are not on the ice with the players that need protection. Plus Kane has not struggled like Bailey has.
Okay, but you're still buying potential. Split hairs about the degree if you want, he's still struggling. Absolutely the team needs to address the size/toughness at the forward position, but you have to be judicial about it.

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10-27-2011, 12:53 PM
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If Winnipeg is forced to deal Kane (not unlike Turris) they'd definitely want a really high prospect or established NHLer, like Niederreiter or an Okposo.

I wouldn't expect the NYI to be in the market for players like Kane/Turris simply because of what they'd have to give up and where they are (or think they are) in their rebuild.

I've seen WPG play a few times, been far more impressed with Burmistrov than Kane. Burmistrov is a really quick and smart offensive player, great chemistry with Antropov, he's a good player.

Kane is so fast and strong on the boards but doesn't seem to be able to create offense, yet. It remains to be seen if he's able to make those next steps, as with most young players.

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10-27-2011, 01:49 PM
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okposo is better then kane, he will get going but in each of their first 2 seasons okposo was the better player, i would be willing to get rid of bailey and a pick or comeau and a pick for him though
I disagree that Okposo is the better player, see below

Evander Kane
Center
Born Aug 2 1991 -- Vancouver, BC
Height 6.02 -- Weight 190 -- Shoots L
Selected by Atlanta Thrashers round 1 #4 overall 2009 NHL Entry Draft
Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM
2009-10 Atlanta Thrashers NHL 66 14 12 26 62 2 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 Atlanta Thrashers NHL 73 19 24 43 68 -12 -- -- -- -- --
2011-12 Winnipeg Jets NHL 7 1 1 2 2 -2
NHL Totals 146 34 37 71 132

Kyle Okposo
Right Wing
Born Apr 16 1988 -- St. Paul, MN
Height 6.00 -- Weight 210 -- Shoots R
Selected by New York Islanders round 1 #7 overall 2006 NHL Entry Draft
Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM
2007-08 New York Islanders NHL 9 2 3 5 2 3 -- -- -- -- --
2008-09 New York Islanders NHL 65 18 21 39 36 -6 -- -- -- -- --
2009-10 New York Islanders NHL 80 19 33 52 34 -23 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 New York Islanders NHL 38 5 15 20 40 3 -- -- -- -- --
2011-12 New York Islanders NHL 7 0 1 1 2 -2
NHL Totals 199 44 73 117 114

Kane's goals per game is slightly higher .233 to .221, though his points per game .486 vs Okposo's .588 is obviously lower, but, he adds things that Okposo doesn't have, passion and grit (doesn't mind dropping the gloves or hitting). AND, Kane is only 20, I'd take Kane for Okposo straight up, every day of the week. I'd even add a 2nd round pick. Kane is going to be a stud. Now Burmistrov, He looks to be Winnipeg's first star in years.

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10-27-2011, 02:06 PM
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It is on ESPN's site today and they cite 2 other local Winnipeg sites that Evander Kane does not like Winnipeg head coach Claude Noel and wants out in a bad way.

What would it take to get this ideal player for the Islanders.

This is that forward that does not take crap and can score?

Bailey and a 1st and 2nd?
Okposo and a 1st?

We all know that he would be awesome playing alongside JT.
Anyone but Tavares, honestly. I love Evander Kane!

Here's what I'd try:

Acquiring Kyle Turris from Phoenix. Then putting him in a package for Kane.

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10-27-2011, 02:30 PM
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Like Evander Kane.

NO dishing away of first rounders. When we're one impact player away from the cup, then we can do it. You don't under any other circumstances.

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We already have our own struggling players.

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he adds things that Okposo doesn't have, passion and grit (doesn't mind dropping the gloves or hitting).
Okposo is better defensively and is a better skater. They're different players.

Anyway, let's stop being silly. The two teams picked these players because they like them and will likely stick with them for the time being unless something crazy happens like one of them demands a trade. Nobody has demanded a trade, so this is all moot.

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10-27-2011, 03:57 PM
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Okposo is better defensively and is a better skater. They're different players.

Anyway, let's stop being silly. The two teams picked these players because they like them and will likely stick with them for the time being unless something crazy happens like one of them demands a trade. Nobody has demanded a trade, so this is all moot.
I disagree with the bolded part. Kane is a much better skater, much faster than Okposo. Okposo may have more hockey strength at this time, but Kane has a frame to build on.

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Bailey+Comeau+2nd 2012

Would that be enough to get Kane to the Island?

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I disagree that Okposo is the better player, see below

Evander Kane
Center
Born Aug 2 1991 -- Vancouver, BC
Height 6.02 -- Weight 190 -- Shoots L
Selected by Atlanta Thrashers round 1 #4 overall 2009 NHL Entry Draft
Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM
2009-10 Atlanta Thrashers NHL 66 14 12 26 62 2 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 Atlanta Thrashers NHL 73 19 24 43 68 -12 -- -- -- -- --
2011-12 Winnipeg Jets NHL 7 1 1 2 2 -2
NHL Totals 146 34 37 71 132

Kyle Okposo
Right Wing
Born Apr 16 1988 -- St. Paul, MN
Height 6.00 -- Weight 210 -- Shoots R
Selected by New York Islanders round 1 #7 overall 2006 NHL Entry Draft
Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM
2007-08 New York Islanders NHL 9 2 3 5 2 3 -- -- -- -- --
2008-09 New York Islanders NHL 65 18 21 39 36 -6 -- -- -- -- --
2009-10 New York Islanders NHL 80 19 33 52 34 -23 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 New York Islanders NHL 38 5 15 20 40 3 -- -- -- -- --
2011-12 New York Islanders NHL 7 0 1 1 2 -2
NHL Totals 199 44 73 117 114

Kane's goals per game is slightly higher .233 to .221, though his points per game .486 vs Okposo's .588 is obviously lower, but, he adds things that Okposo doesn't have, passion and grit (doesn't mind dropping the gloves or hitting). AND, Kane is only 20, I'd take Kane for Okposo straight up, every day of the week. I'd even add a 2nd round pick. Kane is going to be a stud. Now Burmistrov, He looks to be Winnipeg's first star in years.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLL@Okposo not having passion, easily the most ridiculous things ever posted here.

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Like Evander Kane.

NO dishing away of first rounders. When we're one impact player away from the cup, then we can do it. You don't under any other circumstances.
Very true. How many 1st rounders has Washington traded away since the lockout? So along with having a sick NHL team, their prospect pool is still stacked with talent. Eakon, Holtby, Kuznetzov, Orlov and more. They are able to pay their top players their bucks, and when lesser players are ready for a raise, they can get it elsewhere because they have more young guns NHL ready at ELC.

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wouldnt mind a little shake up with us getting the better end of the stick

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