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10-28-2011, 12:27 PM
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it's hard not to get overly excited over a prospect we never seen, but we have to remember it's only 5 games. we can't extrapolate a career from this.

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Well, that is kind of the point We aren't thinking in the macro sense, but at the same time, we aren't supposed to. It is all about the here and now. Offensively struggling team with a kid providing offense right now. Do your chances of getting 2 points in the next game improve or remain the same when you send him down? That's all that matters. Martinez is pointless, Voynov is producing with speed and aggression and keeping his +/- in check. It's all about points now because they will likely be a ridiculously valuable commodity in March, especially with quite a few of last year's bottom feeders coming out of the gates winning like mad and some very very good teams idling in the bottom 8... This is going to be a very tough race to the finish this season. We need every point possible.

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10-28-2011, 12:39 PM
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Martinez is pointless,.
Martinez is also skating with Greene and not getting time with the #1 powerplay unit.

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10-28-2011, 12:44 PM
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Martinez is also skating with Greene and not getting time with the #1 powerplay unit.
He still gets powerplay time. I am not hating on Martinez, just saying that Voynov has outperformed him thus far, line bias or not.

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You guys are hilarious. If it's not Brown, it's Greene, or Richards, I swear you guys have to ***** and moan for the sake of *****ing and moaning. Gone are the days when this team sucked and we actually had whipping boys, hi Modry 1st tour and Joe Corvo, get out of that mindset ladies and gentlemen, although I never see the ladies *****ing.

As far as the defense goes, KISS. Keep it simple stupid.

Doughty, Greene and Voynov are all righties. Mitchell, Johnson and Scuderi are lefties. Mix and match as necessary. Sit Drewiske since he is the super superb wonderfully awesome press box seat warmer and trade Martinez for offensive depth. Muzzin and Hickey are easy callups and there is a plethora of veteran NHL/AHL depth defensemen out there that can be had for cheap.
Reaper45 Forget it - every now and then someone says the same thing and for the record I have done so a few times too. But I will never write anything again because it does no good. If you don't want to hear the moaning then either stop reading as soon as you realize the post or stop visiting forums altogether because the moaning will never stop especially when we lose a game. I love the person who gripes even when we win that's a person who looks at life with the glass half empty.

We all love the Kings and I keep coming here because all of my closest friends and family could care less about the Kings so its nice to see passion for the team.

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10-28-2011, 01:03 PM
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He still gets powerplay time. I am not hating on Martinez, just saying that Voynov has outperformed him thus far, line bias or not.
Exactly. Martinez has been fine, but in his short time Voynov has been better.

I don't necessarily disagree with returning VV to Manchester this season, but Dean had better get his snake-oil salesman persona on and make sure he and VV are on the same page about WHY he is being returned.

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He still gets powerplay time. I am not hating on Martinez, just saying that Voynov has outperformed him thus far, line bias or not.
Martinez gets *half* the powerplay time, and not with the first unit. You can't discount that.

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10-28-2011, 01:10 PM
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Well, that is kind of the point We aren't thinking in the macro sense, but at the same time, we aren't supposed to. It is all about the here and now. Offensively struggling team with a kid providing offense right now. Do your chances of getting 2 points in the next game improve or remain the same when you send him down? That's all that matters. Martinez is pointless, Voynov is producing with speed and aggression and keeping his +/- in check. It's all about points now because they will likely be a ridiculously valuable commodity in March, especially with quite a few of last year's bottom feeders coming out of the gates winning like mad and some very very good teams idling in the bottom 8... This is going to be a very tough race to the finish this season. We need every point possible.
I guess what I'm saying is, it isn't the end of the world to send him down and keep him developing. Just because he's doing well now doesn't mean he is above AHL competition. I think they should send him down and use him as an injury replacement. Then pretty much expect him to take over Mitchell's spot next year.

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10-28-2011, 01:18 PM
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Martinez gets *half* the powerplay time, and not with the first unit. You can't discount that.
But you can't discount that there is a reason behind that. Voynov has outplayed Martinez and been put in a situation to succeed.

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10-28-2011, 01:35 PM
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But you can't discount that there is a reason behind that. Voynov has outplayed Martinez and been put in a situation to succeed.
I really don't think that is the case, but there's nothing that I can say that will make you think otherwise. If one god game makes a season, then Martinez should be our number 1 defenseman based on the first game of the year.

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10-28-2011, 02:07 PM
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My take from Kopi's games so far. I'm a little disapointed with Kopi's conditioning. I thought he would be much improved this year but he gets gazed early and can't really play like he usually would. Maybe the games where he plays alot on PP and PK wears him down quicker as this game. Because his TOI has been lower then last year. So I'm a little puzzled by this as he should be fresher but he isn't.

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10-28-2011, 02:34 PM
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It's Richards fault. If we still had Simmonds and Schenn, Kopi would never get tired.

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10-28-2011, 02:42 PM
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It's Richards fault. If we still had Simmonds and Schenn, Kopi would never get tired.
I agree, it sucks having 2 PPG centers. I would rather have a better #3RW and #4 center.





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10-28-2011, 03:26 PM
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Fox tweeted that Gagne isn't at the Kings practice. Westgarth is skating with Kopitar and Williams.

Drew is still skating with Drewiske.

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10-28-2011, 03:47 PM
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A team like Columbus would snatch him up. Or Edmonton. Their D core's are not that good. Davis would be starting on those teams. There are plenty of teams that would take him off waivers.

He is a serviceable D man (with a little upside).
That's what you think. I think otherwise.

In retrospect: its not a given.

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10-28-2011, 03:58 PM
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Fox tweeted that Gagne isn't at the Kings practice. Westgarth is skating with Kopitar and Williams.

Drew is still skating with Drewiske.
Hammond said it is probably a maintenance day.

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10-28-2011, 04:43 PM
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Hammond said it is probably a maintenance day.
Yes, I figured that. Westgarth was just a fill in, but it would have been funny to watch him with Kopitar and Williams during practice. Maybe he's the power forward the Kings are looking for.

They would have moved Parse or Penner up if Gagne was hurt and could miss any games.

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Yes, I figured that. Westgarth was just a fill in, but it would have been funny to watch him with Kopitar and Williams during practice. Maybe he's the power forward the Kings are looking for.

They would have moved Parse or Penner up if Gagne was hurt and could miss any games.
I don't need flashbacks of Ivanans playing with Kopitar. Man the team sucked so bad just a few years ago. I can't believe I still watched every game anyway.

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10-28-2011, 04:50 PM
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Just a maintanence day for Gagne--Doughty expected to be in vs. Phoenix

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Everyone gets burned. especially by Benn. Need I bring up Doughty's history with Benn?





'nuff said.

Neither of those plays are the same type that Voynov got schooled on last night. I said ONE ON ONE not a bad bounce. Look it up.

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10-28-2011, 05:01 PM
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Neither of those plays are the same type that Voynov got schooled on last night. I said ONE ON ONE not a bad bounce. Look it up.
Spin it however you want, everyone gets schooled. Bottom line is Voynov has outperformed Martinez thus far. He'll get sent down, but he doesn't deserve it, he belongs on our second pairing.

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My take from Kopi's games so far. I'm a little disapointed with Kopi's conditioning. I thought he would be much improved this year but he gets gazed early and can't really play like he usually would. Maybe the games where he plays alot on PP and PK wears him down quicker as this game. Because his TOI has been lower then last year. So I'm a little puzzled by this as he should be fresher but he isn't.
I don't see that, I think Kopitar has been stellar, none of the offense has looked particularly good over the last few games, but Kopitar always plays the entire rink and has the energy to go back and forth and help out the defense. He has that Penner illusion in being a big body, so he never looks particularly agile or quick, but that can be deceiving because unlike Penner, Kopitar actually skates hard and keeps up with his opponents. I don't see anything wrong with Kopitar.

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Voynov is seizing the day. I don't see how you don't give him more games.

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Spin it however you want, everyone gets schooled. Bottom line is Voynov has outperformed Martinez thus far. He'll get sent down, but he doesn't deserve it, he belongs on our second pairing.



I don't see that, I think Kopitar has been stellar, none of the offense has looked particularly good over the last few games, but Kopitar always plays the entire rink and has the energy to go back and forth and help out the defense. He has that Penner illusion in being a big body, so he never looks particularly agile or quick, but that can be deceiving because unlike Penner, Kopitar actually skates hard and keeps up with his opponents. I don't see anything wrong with Kopitar.
ESPECIALLY by Benn. He doesn't get mentioned enough as a premier one-on-one player. And you're fooling yourself if you don't think he creates his own luck through hard work.

Bottom line, Voynov will learn not to fall asleep on that play, and will be better in the long run for it. I don't think he has anything to learn in the AHL; he's only going to grow through NHL experience.

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I don't see that, I think Kopitar has been stellar, none of the offense has looked particularly good over the last few games, but Kopitar always plays the entire rink and has the energy to go back and forth and help out the defense. He has that Penner illusion in being a big body, so he never looks particularly agile or quick, but that can be deceiving because unlike Penner, Kopitar actually skates hard and keeps up with his opponents. I don't see anything wrong with Kopitar.
Not to mention that the dude is coming back from a major injury. We should all be giddy that he's performing as well as he is when many thought there would be a returning from injury adjustment period. If the only negative is that sometimes he looks gassed (and I don't agree, btw), instead of lacking in mobility and explosion, I'll take it.

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Neither of those plays are the same type that Voynov got schooled on last night. I said ONE ON ONE not a bad bounce. Look it up.
How about the missed hip check by Doughty that resulted in a goal? Doughty gets "schooled" too.

Every NHL defenseman gets beat 1-on-1. Remember Kopitar's first NHL goal? He beat Pronger.

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I don't see that, I think Kopitar has been stellar, none of the offense has looked particularly good over the last few games, but Kopitar always plays the entire rink and has the energy to go back and forth and help out the defense. He has that Penner illusion in being a big body, so he never looks particularly agile or quick, but that can be deceiving because unlike Penner, Kopitar actually skates hard and keeps up with his opponents. I don't see anything wrong with Kopitar.
Don't get me wrong. I am not criticizing his workeffort but sometimes he looks eager to get off the ice especially in the last period. You clearly could see it in the game against Dallas where I thought he played alot of short shifts but as I said I could be wrong and it all could be the PK and PP tactics and the amount of time played on those that results in the way it looked.

Regarding me beeing wrong; maybe I didn't said that but I thought it and wasn't crystal with my writing.

He has looked much different in those games that hasn't been teared up by PP and PK.

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