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09-03-2004, 09:32 PM
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Bergeron resigns with Oilers

The Oilers signed Marc-Andre Bergeron today to a four year deal, with a team option for a fifth:

http://www.edmontonoilers.com/pressb...=20040903_1727

Year 1 - $700,000
Year 2 - $800,000
Year 3 - $1,100,000
Year 4 - $1,300,000
Option - $1,800,000

Oiler fans love the guy, and I think this is a pretty reasonable contract. Lowe did good on this one, I'd say.

EDIT: Whoops. Meant to put this on the Trade board, but I guess it's just as appropriate here.

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Wow...that's a pretty long deal considering we're on the dawn of the apocalypse.

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It is a long deal, but the kid has all kinds of potential and we know he can put up points. At worst we get a PP QB that is realtively cheap for a 30+ point d-man. At best we get a Rafalski. Remember, he finished 3rd in rookie d-men scoring behind Liles and Pitkanen, while playing a lot less games then either.

I love this contract. I am very impressed with Lowe on this one. Plus I trust his opinion on d-men. He has done well in that aspect of his job for sure. Signing Staios who became top 4 for us, Cross played well, Ulanov was a force, Brewer is still emerging and we have a lot on nice young d men coming up through the system.

If Lowe thinks that MAB will be around for 4 years at least, who am I to argue?

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Awesome signing, absolutelly wonderfull. MAB is a great young player.

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Good Job KLO. Bergie's showed flashes of brilliace, especially late in the season when he was consitently, one of the Oilers top skaters. He has proved that even lacking size, he can still play a chippy physical game while putting up points and being responible defensively; a rarity in this game if you ask me, a real diamond in the rough.

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26 points in 54 games, it is a shame MacT didn't play him more or he could have had about 40 points, this kid has all the offensive tools to be one of the best offensive d men in a few years good signing

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I'm not sure I like these contracts for young players who are developing. If they regress, you're stuck with a fat contract; if they improve significantly, there are some agents, and the players they represent, who are not above holding out to renegotiate their contracts.

Provided Bergeron honors it through the full term, however, I think this is a very good deal for Edmonton. Nice job.

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26 points in 54 games, it is a shame MacT didn't play him more or he could have had about 40 points, this kid has all the offensive tools to be one of the best offensive d men in a few years good signing
Best offensive d man in the NHL?
Wow.

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Best offensive d man in the NHL?
Wow.

I think he meant best offesnive d-men the oil have had in a few years

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I think he meant best offesnive d-men the oil have had in a few years
Let's hope he said that, because it sure doesn't look that why by his post.

Although really, someone has to be on top for the Oilers, their dman leader had 29 points last year, a career high.

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Best offensive d man in the NHL?
Wow.
If you would have read the entire post, he said "one of the best offensive dmen in the NHL". Nowhere in it did he say THE best offensive dman. You might want to read a little more carefully.

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Best offensive d man in the NHL?
Wow.
He said one of, and although he may be exxagerating, its not a far-fetched prediction. I can see him being a consistent 40-50 point guy which would probably leave him in the top 10-15 defenseman in league scoring.

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If you would have read the entire post, he said "one of the best offensive dmen in the NHL". Nowhere in it did he say THE best offensive dman. You might want to read a little more carefully.
Oh lord, big difference. One of the best is top 5. That is still a stupid thing to say for MA Bergeron.

Although maybe, his defence is suspect, so is his board play, his desicions in his own zone. So who knows, maybe. Maybe one year he gets 20 goals, and then goes on waivers like Andy Delmore because of how indept he is in his own zone.

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Let's hope he said that, because it sure doesn't look that why by his post.

Although really, someone has to be on top for the Oilers, their dman leader had 29 points last year, a career high.

True we didn't have anyone break 30 points on the D, but our top 6 (from an offensive standpoint) all had good years

just as a comparison

Staois - 82GP, 28P
Bergeron - 54GP, 26P
Brewer - 77GP, 25
Cross - 68GP, 21P
Smith - 68Gp, 19P
Ulanov - 42Gp, 18P

So combined that is 391 GP, 137P or 0.35 PPG

Leopold - 82GP, 33P
Lydman - 67GP, 20P
Regher - 82GP, 18P
Warrener - 77GP, 17P
Ference - 72GP, 16P
Gauthier - 80GP, 16P

Combined that is 460GP, 120P or 0.26 PPG

Offensively at least our D combined to be quite effective. More of a team effort instead of an individual standout.

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Oh lord, big difference. One of the best is top 5. That is still a stupid thing to say for MA Bergeron.

Although maybe, his defence is suspect, so is his board play, his desicions in his own zone. So who knows, maybe. Maybe one year he gets 20 goals, and then goes on waivers like Andy Delmore because of how indept he is in his own zone.
Have you seen Bergeron play? I'm guessing you haven't based on your last few posts. He certainly isn't Chris Pronger is his own end but he is definitely far from Andy Delmore. He plays very physical for a little guy and actually doesn't give the puck away as much as many people claim he does. His biggest problem is his inability to handle big forwards in the defensive zone... many d-men have overcome this problem through working on their positioning and I feel Bergeron can take this step as well. He'll never be a Norris trophy winner but I definitely think he can end up being a similar player to Rafalski.

Rafalski only managed .43 points/game in his rookie season at the age of 27. In contrast, Bergeron put up .48 points/game at the age of 23. A sophomore season of 40+ points is definitely not out of the question, especially when you consider how much PP time he'll get on a fairly defensive minded Oilers blueline...

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Oh lord, big difference. One of the best is top 5. That is still a stupid thing to say for MA Bergeron.

Although maybe, his defence is suspect, so is his board play, his desicions in his own zone. So who knows, maybe. Maybe one year he gets 20 goals, and then goes on waivers like Andy Delmore because of how indept he is in his own zone.
He may not be the biggest guy, but he isn't horrible defensively either. He was +13 and rarely makes a bad decision now (after some suspect rookie pinches to start the year).

He defense is overblown. He has good speed and good positioning and can recover from situations that arise due to his size. True, with 2 min left in a 1-0 game I don't want him on the ice, but would leaf fans want Kaberle out in the same situation? PP QB is a specialist position and he does that well. He is average defensively 5 on 5 and great offensively. He may not be the best option to kill penalties, but that also isn't his job. We have plenty of big guys to do that instead.

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Let's hope he said that, because it sure doesn't look that why by his post.

Although really, someone has to be on top for the Oilers, their dman leader had 29 points last year, a career high.
Although really, someone has to be on top for the Flames, their dman leader had 33 points (I guess 33 >>>> 29) last year, a career high.

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Although really, someone has to be on top for the Flames, their dman leader had 33 points (I guess 33 >>>> 29) last year, a career high.
Ha! Took you two posts to finally say that eh? Of course I wasn't boasting about the Flames offence from the back end was I?

I am not a big fan of Bergeron, he is small and despite one bit hit over a year ago isn't gritty enough to make up for it. I think his +13 is great, but Marek Malik lead the leauge in plus minus last year, so we can see how awkward that little stat is. I have seen plenty of MA Bergeron last season and my comments stand. His defence play leaves alot to be desired.

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Here's the Defense stats for last year, +/- is the last column, he's got a better rating that all the guys in bold. So think again before you talk, go flame somewhere else.

D Sergei Gonchar, BOS 71 11 47 58 -14
D Scott Niedermayer, NJ 81 14 40 54 20
D Chris Pronger, STL 80 14 40 54 -1 7
D Marek Zidlicky, NAS 82 14 39 53 -16
D Bryan McCabe, TOR 75 16 37 53 22
D Dick Tarnstrom, PIT 80 16 36 52 -37
D Brian Leetch, TOR 72 15 36 51 6
D Bryan Berard, CHI 58 13 34 47 -24
D Mathieu Schneider, DET 78 14 32 46 22
D Rob Blake, COL 74 13 33 46 6
D Kimmo Timonen, NAS 77 12 32 44 -7
D Adrian Aucoin, NYI 81 13 31 44 29
D Wade Redden, OTT 81 17 26 43 21
D Sergei Zubov, DAL 77 7 35 42 0
D Kim Johnsson, PHI 80 13 29 42 16
D Paul Mara, PHO 81 6 36 42 -11
D Brent Sopel, VAN 80 10 32 42 11
D Zdeno Chara, OTT 79 16 25 41 33
D Brad Stuart, SJ 77 9 30 39 9
D Dan Boyle, TB 78 9 30 39 23
D Sean Hill, CAR 80 13 26 39 -2
D Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 81 10 28 38 19
D Mike Van Ryn, FLA 79 13 24 37 -16
D Brian Rafalski, NJ 69 6 30 36 6
D Pavel Kubina, TB 81 17 18 35 9
D Sheldon Souray, MON 63 15 20 35 4
D Dmitri Kalinin, BUF 77 10 24 34 0
D Mattias Ohlund, VAN 82 14 20 34 14
D John-Michael Liles, COL 79 10 24 34 7
D Jordan Leopold, CAL 82 9 24 33 8
D Jaroslav Modry, LA 79 5 27 32 11
D Nathan Dempsey, LA 75 12 20 32 -12
D Derek Morris, PHO 83 6 26 32 -1
D Tomas Kaberle, TOR 71 3 28 31 16
D Patrice Brisebois, MON 71 4 27 31 17
D Richard Jackman, PIT 54 9 21 30 -16
D Nick Boynton, BOS 81 6 24 30 17
D Adam Foote, COL 73 8 22 30 13
D Frantisek Kaberle, ATL 67 3 26 29 2
D Ken Klee, TOR 66 4 25 29 -1
D Lubomir Visnovsky, LA 58 8 21 29 8
D Kenny Jonsson, NYI 79 5 24 29 25
D Roman Hamrlik, NYI 81 7 22 29 2
D Alexei Zhitnik, BUF 68 4 24 28 -13
D Steve Staios, EDM 82 6 22 28 17
D Janne Niinimaa, NYI 82 9 19 28 12
D Andrei Markov, MON 69 6 22 28 -2
D Dan McGillis, BOS 80 5 23 28 -1
D Joni Pitkanen, PHI 71 8 19 27 15
D Anders Eriksson, CLB 66 7 20 27 -6
D Dan Hamhuis, NAS 80 7 19 26 -12
D Marc-Andre Bergeron, EDM 54 9 17 26 13

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Ha! Took you two posts to finally say that eh? Of course I wasn't boasting about the Flames offence from the back end was I?

I am not a big fan of Bergeron, he is small and despite one bit hit over a year ago isn't gritty enough to make up for it. I think his +13 is great, but Marek Malik lead the leauge in plus minus last year, so we can see how awkward that little stat is. I have seen plenty of MA Bergeron last season and my comments stand. His defence play leaves alot to be desired.
To each his own I s'pose... I don't see how you can argue he's not gritty though if you've seen him play.

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To each his own I s'pose... I don't see how you can argue he's not gritty though if you've seen him play.
He is gritty... for his size, but that isn't saying much.

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Here's the Defense stats for last year, +/- is the last column, he's got a better rating that all the guys in bold. So think again before you talk, go flame somewhere else.
Marek Malik had a better plus minus then all those guys last season. I guess Malik is now better then Jovo or Ohlund now right?

Wrong. Plus/minus is a bad stat.

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Marek Malik had a better plus minus then all those guys last season. I guess Malik is now better then Jovo or Ohlund now right?

Wrong. Plus/minus is a bad stat.
you are a bad poster.

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hahahahahaha. Wow, that made me crack up.

Go read another post where I said how much I loved Stoll. Maybe if you read me being pro-oilers you might change your opinon. LOL, hilarious.

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Marek Malik had a better plus minus then all those guys last season. I guess Malik is now better then Jovo or Ohlund now right?

Wrong. Plus/minus is a bad stat.
Wrong, plus/minus is a bad stat when trying to compare players league wide. A guy playing for a top 5 team in the league will naturally have a better plus minus than a player on a bottom 5 team just based on the fact that he has superior linemates. However, it can be a fairly use stat when comparing players on the same team. Bergeron had a very good +/- in relation to the other d-men on the Oilers... he tied Jason Smith (+13) and beat out Cory Cross (+9), Eric Brewer (-6), Scott Ferguson (-5) and Alexei Semenov (+8). A guy like Brewer obviously played a lot tougher minutes than Bergeron and that accounts for his poor +/- but Ferguson didn't play any tougher minutes than Bergeron and had a +/- 18 points lower than MAB. Bergeron is far from the defensive liability that you are trying to paint him as...

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