You're pretty bad at this. You always try and focus on little things that actually have nothing to do with the overall discussion to try and give yourself little moral victories.
The only main point that was made when this originated was that we've won more with Rundblad in the line-up, and that Rundblad has actually contributed to victories unlike Lee. You said that Rundblad didn't and I proved you wrong (which you quickly tried to brush under the rug.) You said that we win more recently with Lee -- which is circumstantial because we played against a completely different level of teams with Lee in the line-up recently. Rundblad had to face a resurgent Bruins team, New York, and Buffalo. Nobody was good in these games so the coach took out the easiest scapegoat (not that he played great, but he had been playing good up until those games.) Lee hasn't done anything since coming back in -- he barely plays any minutes in fact. 13 minutes for a D-man is very low. We certainly aren't winning because of Lee being in the line-up.
If the only thing you have to work in your favor is that we've won games that Lee barely played any time in against fairly favorable teams that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that Rundblad has been playing better than Lee.
The fact that we are winning now, and lost recently with Rundblad IS important. Rundblad was -6 in his last 4 games. He played great to open the regular season...but that doesn't help us now.
I'm so bad at this that everytime you call me out, you end up looking like a goat and disappear. Go ahead and argue with the 3 lines above...that is of the utmost importance in determining how the lineup will be shaped going forward.
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“The biggest part for that is Rundblad’s play without the puck struggled (he means recently). Brian Lee went in and played real well, and the team played well (again, recently). The team continued to win, and Brian Lee’s play didn’t go down. It elevated (very recently). He played the way he needed to play, and over this last stretch of the time, Brian Lee has been a better player, so he was in the lineup. And for those two guys, that’s the way it’s going to be.”(he means ongoing competition for ice time)
These two players are actively competing for ice time. When the team starts to lose, Rundblad will get another shot. It's an ongoing battle. Figure it out.
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The fact that we are winning now, and lost recently with Rundblad IS important. Rundblad was -6 in his last 4 games. He played great to open the regular season...but that doesn't help us now.
I'm so bad at this that everytime you call me out, you end up looking like a goat and disappear. Go ahead and argue with the 3 lines above...that is of the utmost importance in determining how the lineup will be shaped going forward.
At a point you just have to walk away from the same trash being recycled. You can only argue small points of a big picture for so long before it gets tedious. More people are catching on to most of the nonsensical things that you say.
With that said pretty much exactly what I said was that it was arbitrary -- whether or not Rundblad had an effect on the team losing (he certainly wasn't the main reason we lost any of those games) he was pulled despite being a contributor to winning when the whole team was playing well. Lee on the other hand hasn't been a contributor he's been a floater. He barely averages 13 minutes a night in games that we're winning.
Anyway, Lee will continue to float barely playing at all if he's there. He's not a bad player, but Rundblad should be on the ice. That is all.
These two players are actively competing for ice time. When the team starts to lose, Rundblad will get another shot. It's an ongoing battle. Figure it out.
At a point you just have to walk away from the same trash being recycled. You can only argue small points of a big picture for so long before it gets tedious. More people are catching on to most of the nonsensical things that you say.
Remember the last time you said something like this about me? Who is catching on? What are they catching on to?
The thing that matters most is what roster gives us the best chance to win the next game...and judging by the last 8 games, it's pretty clear who that is at the moment. That could change next week, that's why these players specifically are in an ongoing battle for the 6th spot.
Phillips/Kuba/Gonchar: Vets, they will get the benefit of the doubt for a while if they play poorly.
Karlsson: Not sitting.
Cowen: Playing way too consistently to sit.
If Lee struggles tomorrow, expect Rundblad. But he hasn't struggled yet and Rundblad did when he got back in the last time.
Stache has already said that the other 5 D are not in play in any rotation. He is all about winning and the 6th D that helps him do that will suit up. He said it's tough enough getting the 7th man in a game it will be even harder when Carkner is back and they have 8. It's not his preference to have that many on the team. I take that as Stache code for "Unless Bryan makes a trade, I hope Rundblad is going to Bingo as soon as Carks can play and I'll rotate Carkner and Lee".
Remember the last time you said something like this about me? Who is catching on? What are they catching on to?
The thing that matters most is what roster gives us the best chance to win the next game...and judging by the last 8 games, it's pretty clear who that is at the moment. That could change next week, that's why these players specifically are in an ongoing battle for the 6th spot.
Phillips/Kuba/Gonchar: Vets, they will get the benefit of the doubt for a while if they play poorly.
Karlsson: Not sitting.
Cowen: Playing way too consistently to sit.
If Lee struggles tomorrow, expect Rundblad. But he hasn't struggled yet and Rundblad did when he got back in the last time.
We saw in Vancouver that we need more on the PP. Rundblad brings more than Lee. Rundblad will play soon.
We saw in Vancouver that we need more on the PP. Rundblad brings more than Lee. Rundblad will play soon.
Not until we lose or Lee struggles. Putting Rundblad on the 2nd unit isn't making much of a difference. The 1st unit needs to get going and I don't they're taking Gonchar or Karlsson off of it..
Rundblad has ONE PPA. I'm not too sure how this is bringing a much needed boost to the PP.
Ya the 2nd unit guys get out there and barely get a chance to make anything happen. If Gonchar and Karlsson are really struggling, they may make a switch....but I really doubt it, they aren't close to that.
They went through a stretch where we were turning the puck over like crazy game to game. Karlsson and Rundblad being the most problematic.
Not until we lose or Lee struggles. Putting Rundblad on the 2nd unit isn't making much of a difference. The 1st unit needs to get going and I don't they're taking Gonchar or Karlsson off of it..
I would avoid making statments like that in regards to this particular subject. Both guys need to get in and if they have Rundblad in Ottawa they will play him eventually even if they win or Lee plays well.
It's a simple matter of getting both of these guys ice time and into games. Having both guys playing well when they are asked to play isn't a bad thing, it's just part of the process in Ottawa.
Lee is looking very much like he can be part of the future of this team but that also comes down to their opinions on Gryba, Carkner, so on. Do one or both of those guys have a spot on the team next year? Does that leave Lee out in the cold?
A ton of things have to play out still but right now Lee is playing well and doesn't deserve to sit, Rundblad is young and makes mistakes, but he works hard and is adjuting and doesn't really deserve to sit. Tough calls.
At a point you just have to walk away from the same trash being recycled. You can only argue small points of a big picture for so long before it gets tedious. More people are catching on to most of the nonsensical things that you say.
With that said pretty much exactly what I said was that it was arbitrary -- whether or not Rundblad had an effect on the team losing (he certainly wasn't the main reason we lost any of those games) he was pulled despite being a contributor to winning when the whole team was playing well. Lee on the other hand hasn't been a contributor he's been a floater. He barely averages 13 minutes a night in games that we're winning.
Anyway, Lee will continue to float barely playing at all if he's there. He's not a bad player, but Rundblad should be on the ice. That is all.
These two players are actively competing for ice time. When the team starts to lose, Rundblad will get another shot. It's an ongoing battle. Figure it out.
Funny that; I was under the impression that providing solid defence was considered contributing.
You keep saying Lee doesn't contribute to wins, presumably because he doesn't have any points, but Rundblads 3 points does contribute. Well, does Rundblads .75 give aways per game contribute to losses more than Lee's .4?
They both contribute in different was to our wins and losses.
I'm of the opinion that both will sit when Carkner comes back & if there isn't a trade that includes a defenceman than Rundblad should end up in Bingo.
Pretty close to that time now. He hasn't played in well over 2 weeks. Win or lose tonight, Rundblad is in against Carolina if he isn't in tonight.
I am starting to get really annoyed with the team's treatment of Rundblad. He has to play regularly, either here or in Bingo, I don't care which. At this point I would even accept him returning to Sweden, although that is not as good as time in Bingo, but for heaven sakes get this young guy playing!!!
I am starting to get really annoyed with the team's treatment of Rundblad. He has to play regularly, either here or in Bingo, I don't care which. At this point I would even accept him returning to Sweden, although that is not as good as time in Bingo, but for heaven sakes get this young guy playing!!!
Carkner is injured, otherwise Rundblad would have been sent down IMO.
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Carkner is injured, otherwise Rundblad would have been sent down IMO.
I understand Carkner's injury has made things complicated for the senators, but i think Rundblad is such an important prospect that i would have found a way to keep him playing. They have Lee in the lineup now anyway, so playing Rundblad in Bingo would keep him available on pretty short notice in case of injury. Not to mention the fact that they could ise the help in Bingo as well.
Carkner is about as one dimensional as Lee. Lee got exposed last night. It is Rundblad's turn. Even on the 2nd PP, it gives the other team more to think about.
Carkner is about as one dimensional as Lee. Lee got exposed last night. It is Rundblad's turn. Even on the 2nd PP, it gives the other team more to think about.
I didn't really get to pay attention to the game last night...but you've said this before when it didn't seem like Lee got exposed at all.
To anyone else...did Lee struggle last night?
Either way with two straight losses it's about time to give DR some ice...if not, maybe they should answer why.
