Omarks games on big rinks is a huge sample what he can do there. 56 games on small rinks in a split season isnt much how to decide if he can be a good nhl contributor in the future(sedins 4 years). The guy need much toi and in a 2 offensive line to be at his best. In the oilers there arent room for him at this position, and he need to find the right team where his offensive talent can be used in the right way. Omark is a hard nut to crack and his earlier team and the national team has find a way to get out his best.
Omarks games on big rinks is a huge sample what he can do there. 56 games on small rinks in a split season isnt much how to decide if he can be a good nhl contributor in the future(sedins 4 years). The guy need much toi and in a 2 offensive line to be at his best. In the oilers there arent room for him at this position, and he need to find the right team where his offensive talent can be used in the right way. Omark is a hard nut to crack and his earlier team and the national team has find a way to get out his best.
Ah of course.
It's the Oilers job to adjust to the player. The player doesn't need to.
I don't think you can call this a fit. He gets asked these types of questions when he is interviewed and is a pretty honest and straight forward guy.
I don't see anything wrong with what he said to be honest.
This is the same player that called the decision to send him to the AHL last year "Politics" and that was questioning the decision, who later tried to backtrack from those comments which likely were his "honest" impressions.
Theres now 2-3 times where Omark has said something unwarranted and that isn't going to buy him any favor in this org.
One of Omarks real problems in this regard is how honest he is. Its a given in Pro hockey that if you are on the bubble you bite your lip and state what the team wants to hear. Omark doesn't subscribe to that.
This is the same player that called the decision to send him to the AHL last year "Politics" and that was questioning the decision, who later tried to backtrack from those comments which likely were his "honest" impressions.
Theres now 2-3 times where Omark has said something unwarranted and that isn't going to buy him any favor in this org.
One of Omarks real problems in this regard is how honest he is. Its a given in Pro hockey that if you are on the bubble you bite your lip and state what the team wants to hear. Omark doesn't subscribe to that.
I don't take issue with Omark's candidness. I take issue with how he performs on the ice. I do think he can play somewhere in the NHL though, just not with this team. I remember someone suggesting a deal with Nashville a while back - I think he could fit in quite well with them.
It's the Oilers job to adjust to the player. The player doesn't need to.
They both should adjust to each other. A coach's job is to literally put the personnel at his disposal in a position to succeed. All players need to be put in a role that fits their skill sets, Omark can't suddenly change who he is. Making adjustments in a game you've been playing for so long isn't an easy thing to do and it doesn't happen overnight. There are more than a few examples of a player who couldn't find an appropriate role relative to his skillset in one city, only to flourish in another.
I don't get the hubub about what Omark said, he was honest and he most certainly didn't deride an individual/organization. We all know politics plays a huge role in who gets cut. We can talk all we want about his game, but this talk about his character is beyond unwarranted IMO. He may be the worlds biggest dbag but we don't know that based off a couple comments that weren't even inflammatory. We don't know him, why don't we just talk about his play instead of making stuff up in order to help the anti-Omark argument. Why do we need to run players out of town all the time? Especially when the team is winning...
A hater will always hate! I want the best out of my team and omark on a line with litle offensive power and no pp is a waste. Better take what we can for him!
A serius discussion on a player doesnt often happen at hf board when you compare other oiler sites and blogs. Everyone with objective eyes know that omark can be a good contributor at nhl level, its only a matter to find a fit and space for him and its not going to happen with our roster and kind of players.
We saw what omark was capable of at the end of last season due injurys when he got 20 min a game and dominated many of these games, i think he had 9 p in the last 12 and was -+ 0 .
I don't get the hubub about what Omark said, he was honest and he most certainly didn't deride an individual/organization. We all know politics plays a huge role in who gets cut. We can talk all we want about his game, but this talk about his character is beyond unwarranted IMO. He may be the worlds biggest dbag but we don't know that based off a couple comments that weren't even inflammatory. We don't know him, why don't we just talk about his play instead of making stuff up in order to help the anti-Omark argument. Why do we need to run players out of town all the time? Especially when the team is winning...
Ask yourself if you think the team has a much different impression than what I stated. Pretty sure that Omark has been on watch and on a tighter leash for sometime now.
Note that a guy like Lander, Petrell, even MPS, wouldn't be making any of these comments. They basically make sure that each comment is agreeable and that they are just there to do their best at whatever the team has in mind for them.
A guy like Penner could make curious comments. With his contract he was a made man. When you are finding your way at this level you should watch your comments. The same club had the same problem with some Schremp comments that backfired on Robbie.
For a young player trying to make the club here its not advised.
I'm not saying thats how it should be, I'm saying thats how it is here.
A hater will always hate! I want the best out of my team and omark on a line with litle offensive power and no pp is a waste. Better take what we can for him!
A serius discussion on a player doesnt often happen at hf board when you compare other oiler sites and blogs. Everyone with objective eyes know that omark can be a good contributor at nhl level, its only a matter to find a fit and space for him and its not going to happen with our roster and kind of players.
We saw what omark was capable of at the end of last season due injurys when he got 20 min a game and dominated many of these games, i think he had 9 p in the last 12 and was -+ 0 .
A hater will always hate! I want the best out of my team and omark on a line with litle offensive power and no pp is a waste. Better take what we can for him!
A serius discussion on a player doesnt often happen at hf board when you compare other oiler sites and blogs. Everyone with objective eyes know that omark can be a good contributor at nhl level, its only a matter to find a fit and space for him and its not going to happen with our roster and kind of players.
We saw what omark was capable of at the end of last season due injurys when he got 20 min a game and dominated many of these games, i think he had 9 p in the last 12 and was -+ 0 .
The thing is that i dont even think omark should have another players spot in our team other then jones, but jones is a better shutdown player so he fits there he is.
But i dont dismiss him as a player and make him a bust , he doesnt fit with the oilers lineups and he and Gags are tradepieces when hemsky is back, we have harski and a couple more to back up injurys. I hope we get something good out of the coming trade.
Yup. If we didn't have Hemsky or Eberle he'd have a chance, but we do, so he doesn't, especially since it's clear that Gagner has no future in this club as a centerman. I don't see much diff between Omark and gags on the RW, but Sam was the high draft pick, is years younger, and has played decently in 4 seasons.
I like Omark and think he can have an NHL career, but I don't see how that can happen here. :/
I agree with op, unless there is two or three injuries there wont be a way back into the line-up for Omark. He will be assigned to OKC, and if I had to guess that will be the end of this saga.
What happens next season, if he returns to Europe this season? Will he be a RFA or UFA, come next season?
Ask yourself if you think the team has a much different impression than what I stated. Pretty sure that Omark has been on watch and on a tighter leash for sometime now.
Note that a guy like Lander, Petrell, even MPS, wouldn't be making any of these comments. They basically make sure that each comment is agreeable and that they are just there to do their best at whatever the team has in mind for them.
A guy like Penner could make curious comments. With his contract he was a made man. When you are finding your way at this level you should watch your comments. The same club had the same problem with some Schremp comments that backfired on Robbie.
For a young player trying to make the club here its not advised.
I'm not saying thats how it should be, I'm saying thats how it is here.
My post was not so much intended to be a defense of Omark as it was to point out that we don't know the context of what he said nor even his exact words.
The article is a quirky translation of a story in Sweden I believe. For all we know he could have been anywhere from upset with his situiation through to misquoted or quoted out of context by someone who knows that the "Omark is unhappy and wants to come back home" story plays very well to his audience.
Ask yourself if you think the team has a much different impression than what I stated. Pretty sure that Omark has been on watch and on a tighter leash for sometime now.
Note that a guy like Lander, Petrell, even MPS, wouldn't be making any of these comments. They basically make sure that each comment is agreeable and that they are just there to do their best at whatever the team has in mind for them.
A guy like Penner could make curious comments. With his contract he was a made man. When you are finding your way at this level you should watch your comments. The same club had the same problem with some Schremp comments that backfired on Robbie.
For a young player trying to make the club here its not advised.
I'm not saying thats how it should be, I'm saying thats how it is here.
More speculation. We don't know how the team handles it's players internally. He's a grown man he's intitled to speak his mind. Renney himself said he didn't mind the comments. He's a professional and competitive athlete he should have been upset. He clearly made that team based in performance.
Youre exaggerating the issue. Many players have been much more candid than Omark. Schremp blamed his inability to make the team on coaching and the fact they wouldn't let him play Rob "****ing" Schremp hockey. Roenick and Hull used to say inflammatory things all the time. He disagreed with being cut what a shocking development Also he made it clear that he felt the AHL was in fact a good move for him.
If they regarded the Omark comments as being in such poor taste i'm sure they could have moved him for a solid return in the offseason. He had a very successful NA rookie year. Over a ppg in the AHL, and an excellent end to the year. Your basing your comments on speculation, and trying to pass them off as fact. You may have speculated correctly about how the organization viewed those comments, but there is no compelling evidence to back up that notion. It's still just speculation...
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Yup. If we didn't have Hemsky or Eberle he'd have a chance, but we do, so he doesn't, especially since it's clear that Gagner has no future in this club as a centerman. I don't see much diff between Omark and gags on the RW, but Sam was the high draft pick, is years younger, and has played decently in 4 seasons.
I like Omark and think he can have an NHL career, but I don't see how that can happen here. :/
lol that's clear after 3 games, when he started preseason playing center? Good teams have players like Belanger on the 4th. I bet Gagner playes center on a line with Hemmer when he gets back. Lander will be fine in the AHL until the injuries hit. Good teams have good centers in the AHL. If Couture can play in the AHL so can Lander. Gagner has a very good chance of continuing his career as a center for the Oilers.
lol that's clear after 3 games, when he started preseason playing center? Good teams have players like Belanger on the 4th. I bet Gagner playes center on a line with Hemmer when he gets back. Lander will be fine in the AHL until the injuries hit. Good teams have good centers in the AHL. If Couture can play in the AHL so can Lander. Gagner has a very good chance of continuing his career as a center for the Oilers.
I disagree. I think Lander has done everything Renney could have asked as a 4C and is a big part of our PK, which has been key to our success. With RNH sticking and Horcoff and Belanger being a defense-first coach's wet dream, there's no room for an undersized, career-minus center who can't win face-offs on this club.
I disagree. I think Lander has done everything Renney could have asked as a 4C and is a big part of our PK, which has been key to our success. With RNH sticking and Horcoff and Belanger being a defense-first coach's wet dream, there's no room for an undersized, career-minus center who can't win face-offs on this club.
You know that almost every Oiler over the past two seasons had their +/- minus numbers killed? It's pretty ridiculous IMO to base a players potential/ability on his performance from ages that most players aren't in the NHL. Lander will be best served IMO developing an offensive game in the AHL. Use the flexability ELC allow to have good depth, because injuries always happen. BTW Horcoff the wet defensive dream was second in worst in +/- one year so does that mean there's no room for him either? You chose a selective stat heavily influenced by context to base your comment off of.
My post was not so much intended to be a defense of Omark as it was to point out that we don't know the context of what he said nor even his exact words.
The article is a quirky translation of a story in Sweden I believe. For all we know he could have been anywhere from upset with his situiation through to misquoted or quoted out of context by someone who knows that the "Omark is unhappy and wants to come back home" story plays very well to his audience.
Well this is one of the main problems. Its not just what the press thinks back home, its that Omarks still possibly thinks like he would back home. Narratively speaking Omark offerring tidbits that the media back there gobble up is at the very least naive,(does he really think thats going to end up being friendly fire?) if not a case of Omark actually agreeing with the comments.
The word "politics" is not lost in the translation and everybody knows what it means. The context of Omarks statements a year ago was that the Oilers decisions were unfair, and were political, i.e. fixed and with bias, and were not made on merit.
Omark as you mentioned is not 18, he's nearly 25, supposedly mature, and supposedly able to start putting together what he should, and should not state and do here.
But theres little indication he gets it on or off the ice.
You know that almost every Oiler over the past two seasons had their +/- minus numbers killed? It's pretty ridiculous IMO to base a players potential/ability on his performance from ages that most players aren't in the NHL. Lander will be best served IMO developing an offensive game in the AHL. Use the flexability ELC allow to have good depth, because injuries always happen. BTW Horcoff the wet defensive dream was second in worst in +/- one year so does that mean there's no room for him either? You chose a selective stat heavily influenced by context to base your comment off of.
Lol. I didn't 'base' my comment off of one stat. I based my comment on knowledge of the player and the fact he's playing on the frigging wing now. Yeesh.
Lol. I didn't 'base' my comment off of one stat. I based my comment on knowledge of the player and the fact he's playing on the frigging wing now. Yeesh.
Nothing wrong with a player going to the wing, I'm pretty sure E.Staal has played wing in the past and is being moved to the wing once again this year.
But theres little indication he gets it on or off the ice.
But there's little indication he doesn't get it on or off the ice either. Your grasping at comments and trying to blow them up much bigger than they are. He also said he wants very much to play in the NHL, and it's the best league in the world. He wants to be here.
Also he made it clear that he felt the AHL was in fact a good move for him.
