He's a prospect. Being former SEL MVP doesn't change that. Like many other prospects, he's still learning how to convert his game from his old league to the NHL. He's made huge strides but he's still not there. He needs top 9 minutes and right now those spots aren't open on the NYR team. Thats how being a prospect works - you either force your way in by absolutely dominating the minor league or you wait until someone at your position falters or gets hurt. I think some people are holding him to a higher standard because of his SEL performance but a prospect is a prospect - they all go through the same process. He's free to go to another team if he wants but I think he should stay in the NHL. He'll be a good NHL player in time - hopefully for the Rangers but who knows? RW looks pretty set for a while with Gaborik, Callahan, Prust but LW isn't nearly set in stone, if Feds or WW falter I think we'll see MZA in before too long.
I do not think he is going to stick around here. He is gone in the offseason, where he will become Marty St. Louis for some other team, and probably a rival. This happens more then normal with the Rangers.
I like Zucca and think he deserves a spot on this team. He did everything that was asked of him this offseason and came in a lot faster and better on his skates. Despite that, he is down with the Whale. I really believe that he is being mismanaged. He has not even gotten a shot with in the top-6.
I like Zucca and think he deserves a spot on this team. He did everything that was asked of him this offseason and came in a lot faster and better on his skates. Despite that, he is down with the Whale. I really believe that he is being mismanaged. He has not even gotten a shot with in the top-6.
Since the end of the preseason this team has been completely mis-managed.
I'm turning into a broken record but until Feds-Boyle-Prust is this teams fourth line it's going to be tough. There's a spot for Zuccarello to get top 9 minutes it just won't happen until Torts realizes that it's there.
Since the end of the preseason this team has been completely mis-managed.
I'm turning into a broken record but until Feds-Boyle-Prust is this teams fourth line it's going to be tough. There's a spot for Zuccarello to get top 9 minutes it just won't happen until Torts realizes that it's there.
Im just hoping Torts goes before him. If that happens, a new coach might come in to give him proper minutes and play him like he is supposed to. If we let him go it will be a WASTE of talent. Consider how we always win our matches, outshoot opponents and dominate the league in creativity
I never understand this mentality. He's been given ample opportunity to prove himself worthy to KEEP top 9 minutes. You earn time on the Rangers, I think it's pretty clear in a lot of cases...Derek Stepan is prime example...not many would've thought he made the jump straight to the Rangers. Michael Sauer is another good example under Torts...most thought he was pretty much gone.
But yet, when guys don't earn the spot, they're "not given a fair shot" when I've seen Zuccarello get plenty of ice time and plenty of chances to show the team that he should be in the lineup every night.
Since the end of the preseason this team has been completely mis-managed.
I'm turning into a broken record but until Feds-Boyle-Prust is this teams fourth line it's going to be tough. There's a spot for Zuccarello to get top 9 minutes it just won't happen until Torts realizes that it's there.
I disagree. I don't think everything is as clear cut as we might think. I doubt torts says "this line is our fourth line tonight in instead of our third line" - the line that is best at whatever is needed at a particular point in the game gets to play at that time. Fed - Boyle - Prust has become our energy line and a solid defensive line. Since the team has been sort of dead recently that line is getting a lot of time.
MZA getting minutes is not the first priority when the coach makes lines. Sure, there is a way to make it happen but the team shouldn't be structured so that one player who hasn't done a ton to impress can get the minutes that he needs. He has 5 points in 4 AHL games - thats a good start but that's not even close to the kind of production that warrants lines being structured around the guy.
Bottom line, in my opinion, if MZA is ready for consistent top 9 minutes in the NHL he will show it by tearing up the A and he will be back. I'm sure people will still complain that he's not getting a chance even if he doesn't earn one but those complaints will be unfounded for me. Improving over the off season is great - reacting to criticism in a positive way is great - however, those things alone don't earn you a spot on an NHL scoring line. You need to prove that you can score consistently.
Bottom line, in my opinion, if MZA is ready for consistent top 9 minutes in the NHL he will show it by tearing up the A and he will be back. I'm sure people will still complain that he's not getting a chance even if he doesn't earn one but those complaints will be unfounded for me. Improving over the off season is great - reacting to criticism in a positive way is great - however, those things alone don't earn you a spot on an NHL scoring line. You need to prove that you can score consistently.
I totally agree with this. If he continues to impress in the AHL, his time will come.
He got another two assists today and is now 3 and 4 for 7 points in 5 games.
I never understand this mentality. He's been given ample opportunity to prove himself worthy to KEEP top 9 minutes. You earn time on the Rangers, I think it's pretty clear in a lot of cases...Derek Stepan is prime example...not many would've thought he made the jump straight to the Rangers. Michael Sauer is another good example under Torts...most thought he was pretty much gone.
But yet, when guys don't earn the spot, they're "not given a fair shot" when I've seen Zuccarello get plenty of ice time and plenty of chances to show the team that he should be in the lineup every night.
I do not think he is going to stick around here. He is gone in the offseason, where he will become Marty St. Louis for some other team, and probably a rival. This happens more then normal with the Rangers.
I like Zucca and think he deserves a spot on this team. He did everything that was asked of him this offseason and came in a lot faster and better on his skates. Despite that, he is down with the Whale. I really believe that he is being mismanaged. He has not even gotten a shot with in the top-6.
Really? Who have we given up on that became the next St. Louis?
Really? Who have we given up on that became the next St. Louis?
Agreed, would love to know the historical basis for this. One of the biggest misconceptions of the last 15 years or so is the belief that the Rangers have let so many good players go. Where? Where are they?
The inconvenient truth is they've largely been ****** at drafting and signing undrafted talent.
Since the end of the preseason this team has been completely mis-managed.
I'm turning into a broken record but until Feds-Boyle-Prust is this teams fourth line it's going to be tough. There's a spot for Zuccarello to get top 9 minutes it just won't happen until Torts realizes that it's there.
I like these lines as well but as haveandare pointed it out - noone is going to give Anisimov and his wings top 9 minutes until they show consistent production when they get opportunity. Until then it is 4th line minutes for Artie and MZA have to continue to be productive in AHL and wait for another chance in NHL.
Good article, although I found this; "The problem for Zuccarello is that coach John Tortorella wants to keep their top three ranks intact." quite funny and ironic.
Nevertheless, a good article and I'm glad they mentioned that what Aftonbladet spewed out is complete ********. I rarely trust anything that sad excuse of a newspaper writes unless it's from reliable writers, of which they have very few.
Sort of make me want to apologize for posting the news articles, but I figured that people might want to know about it anyway.
Agreed, would love to know the historical basis for this. One of the biggest misconceptions of the last 15 years or so is the belief that the Rangers have let so many good players go. Where? Where are they?
The inconvenient truth is they've largely been ****** at drafting and signing undrafted talent.
Savard is really the only one that jumps to mind as someone we let go who exploded after he got traded.
What I read into that statement is that MZA is not happy being in the AHL, and will do what he can to make the NYR. Not that he is skipping out and leaving NA. I do not see anywhere in the article where it says he is.
Kjøp onsdagens vg papirutgave. Der står det klart og tydelig at han ikke har tenkt til å bli i Hartford hele sesongen. Ett vg team har fulg han en hel helg og det lyser frustrasjon fra gutten. (dette var i helgen etter hjernerystelsen) det var med på treninger og kampen med en assist og straffescoringen,men før han fikk besked om å kjøpe leilighet)
Edit: Opps Sorry I forgot to write in english. By VG from Wednesday. There is a 4 page long article from journalists who followed him last weekend after the concussion and the last two games (before his two assist today)
My advice and hope for Zuke is to play out his contract,and if hes stuck in AHL,play the heck out of them and win the league by points.
Let's see: in his two full seasons with the Rangers Zubov scored 89 points in 78 games (he missed scoring an assist per game by one assist) the first season and scored 36 points in 38 games the second. He scored 30 points in 33 playoff games.
He just continued--and changed his style when he had to. Horrible, horrible trade. Will never forgive Campbell for running him out of town.
Savard is really the only one that jumps to mind as someone we let go who exploded after he got traded.
What I have heard/read/been told is that is pretty much the opposite. Great, suksessfull and decent players decline when comming to New York Rangers.
What about Drury, Todd White, Näslund and Redden two name a few.I know,there not youngsters, but I have read somewhere that this is a trend,no?
It should be prohibited by the new CBA to bury players in AHL because of salary. Maximum 1 player on one way contract IMO(if still capable to play at NHL level, which I belive Redden is), in the farm team.
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Cant belive players that play in AHL when you havbe SEL Finnins leauge and KHL? Are they stupid? A clause in contract!
Its better hockey better paid and so on there, AHL is a bottomshelf of an old milkbox, it stinks!
The players on entry level has NO CHOICE..... If they want to go to SEL og KHL, they´ll have to break their contract, and they will owe the NHL club anohter year on entry level......
