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10-30-2011, 03:48 PM
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All this team needs....

Is a top 4 D-man and productive right winger to shove on JT's line so he's not constantly carrying the work load.

That is ALL this team needs to be a challenger for a playoff spot, does anyone disagree? Anything you guys want to add? Also, does anybody know of any candidates for those two positions that will be free agents at the end of the season?

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10-30-2011, 04:09 PM
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I think a lot of the missing pieces are in development.

Ryan Strome is the candidate for 2nd line center in the future

Nino is the first line right wing.

De Haan is the top 4 dman.

UFA's that would make sense for us

Dmen - Matt Carle or Mike Green

Wingers - Ales Hemsky or Kris Versteeg

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10-30-2011, 04:12 PM
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agree on the top 4 dman but i consider both PaP and moulson complimentary first line players, so i think upgrade either of them for a legit first line player and the isles will be set

first wingers that came to mind were hemsky, semin and versteeg and truthfully i dont want any of them garth will have to make a trade if he wants an upgrade unless semin sees something in the isles that no other free agents do and he decides to sign here

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10-30-2011, 04:18 PM
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agree on the top 4 dman but i consider both PaP and moulson complimentary first line players, so i think upgrade either of them for a legit first line player and the isles will be set

first wingers that came to mind were hemsky, semin and versteeg and truthfully i dont want any of them garth will have to make a trade if he wants an upgrade unless semin sees something in the isles that no other free agents do and he decides to sign here
I think Moulson is fine as a complimentary 1st line player, but PAP simply needs to go. Nothing against PAP, he's earned my respect and he hustles, but he simply isn't good enough to be on a 1st line (On a good team).

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10-30-2011, 04:23 PM
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I think Moulson is fine as a complimentary 1st line player, but PAP simply needs to go. Nothing against PAP, he's earned my respect and he hustles, but he simply isn't good enough to be on a 1st line (On a good team).
i think the same can be said about pap though, and instead of just trading him i think he should be put on bailey and comeau's line again if the isles do upgrade the 1st line right wing spot

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I think Moulson is fine as a complimentary 1st line player, but PAP simply needs to go. Nothing against PAP, he's earned my respect and he hustles, but he simply isn't good enough to be on a 1st line (On a good team).
If he can increase the pest factor, he'd be the ideal 3rd liner - aggressive, chippy and not offensively inert. I do want to see how he'd produce without Tavares at some point; curious if he could still put up some points.

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10-30-2011, 05:36 PM
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Just for the sake of knowing what we need more, if I had to choose between Chris Pronger and Rick Nash, I'm taking Rick Nash. Tavares needs a top flight linemate more than the team needs a top 4 defensmant. Yeah, we need both, but we need one more than the other.

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Just for the sake of knowing what we need more, if I had to choose between Chris Pronger and Rick Nash, I'm taking Rick Nash. Tavares needs a top flight linemate more than the team needs a top 4 defensmant. Yeah, we need both, but we need one more than the other.
See what your saying but I disagree...Pronger is exactly the type of player I feel can be the difference with this team. Yes, tavares needs a winger and Nash is amazing but I do feel like the scoring will come around. An imposing figure and crease clearing defenseman that can kill penalties and be a perfect D partner for Streit? Sign me up yesterday...Not to mention he's a leader and a warrior you can follow into battle.

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10-30-2011, 06:41 PM
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A steady dman like pronger plays 25 minutes a night of shutdown hockey.
Taveres may play 18 minutes or so. So dman are more important and much harder to find a good shutdown dman

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All this team needs is a consistent effort EVERY night.

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All this team needs is a consistent effort EVERY night.
This.

Honestly, I'd love to have a top 4 dman, but if I had to choose I'd rather have a complimentary linemate for JT. If you've watched, but our D HASN'T really been that bad. It's the effort. Effort is the recipe for our offense. We have already shown what we can do on offense. We just need to put in the effort and eventually everything on offense will be put into place.

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is good players, new management, and no DP

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Consistency. This team is so inconsistent. One game they play well, the next, invisible. Defense isn't a problem, they are playing well, goaltending, our goalies have played well. Our goal scorers are so inconsistent. Tavares, 5 goals and 3 assists in 2 games, 2 goals and 1 assist in the other 7 games. Not blaming him, but he's very streaky AND inconsistent. Though he is more noticeable in games he doesn't score points compared to his first two seasons. The rest of our so-called goal scorers, invisible and inconsistent.

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10-30-2011, 08:06 PM
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I would really like to see a consistant goalie and backup. Nabokov or Montoya and the other one backing up. DiPietro needs to go we all know this. I say give Al a shot as Starter. Also please lets shuffle up these lines and see what we get maybe move Okposo up with tavares and sit bailey on the bench he just what we dont need.

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A new owner. Sorry, couldn't resist. I think next year, we will not see Comeau and Bailey, as well as Rolston. In their place, we may see Strome, Kabanov & Petrov, maybe even Cizikas. That's a lot of talent, and heart. As well as leadership qualities in Cizikas. This team is missing a lot of both.

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anyone else kinda wishing that strome stayed up for a few games right now, he is borderline cocky and his confidence might have helped the isles start off the season

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A new owner. Sorry, couldn't resist. I think next year, we will not see Comeau and Bailey, as well as Rolston. In their place, we may see Strome, Kabanov & Petrov, maybe even Cizikas. That's a lot of talent, and heart. As well as leadership qualities in Cizikas. This team is missing a lot of both.
bailey was drafted for his leadership

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Is 2 great games in a row considered a streaky team out of 8 games? A bad night for the Lightning and a jet-lagged Ranger game @ home. The win vs Min. Wasnt exactly a great performance. this is not an I am giving up post at all, but I do disagree with the consistency argument. They have 18 goals in 9 games and half of them were in THAT 2 game phenomenon. All this team needs, in my opinion is offense scoring goals. I do feel bad for the team that plays us when all of our guys get out of the scoring slump.

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A steady dman like pronger plays 25 minutes a night of shutdown hockey.
Taveres may play 18 minutes or so. So dman are more important and much harder to find a good shutdown dman
Maybe look to Calagary they like to give away there defenseman and they have one that would fit our needs perfectly.

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Agree with observation the real question is why dont we ever get it/ why didn't we do it last year.

Should of thrown more money at Erhoff when you are a no hoper team you have to pay more $$$ to get people over too you.

Then when you are good of course the opposite.

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I think a lot of the missing pieces are in development.

Ryan Strome is the candidate for 2nd line center in the future

Nino is the first line right wing.

De Haan is the top 4 dman.

UFA's that would make sense for us

Dmen - Matt Carle or Mike Green

Wingers - Ales Hemsky or Kris Versteeg
I think what you're saying is fair, but at the same time, this team can't be built completely with kids. They have to import some top tier talent, and I think they should aim higher than the forwards you mentioned.

Even if Strome turns out to be the real deal, it's reasonable to assume that he won't be a legit 1st line talent right away. Ditto on De Haan. It's time to start winning & while I'm really excited for Strome & a # of other prospects, they're still a couple years away from making major impacts on the club.

I thought this past season was the season they needed to add a big UFA/trade or 2. But if not this year, then definitely next year. I understand it's hard to attract UFAs here, but that's why they have to trade some pieces for top talent.

I really appreciate Moulson & Parenteau, but they're 2nd & 3rd line players. They have to make dramatic upgrades to at least 1 of those spots. I think they have to aim higher than guys like Versteeg. I wouldn't mind having him here, but like MM & PAP he's really more of a 2nd/3rd line player. Hemsky would be great, but I think the Isles need more of a goal scorer than a playmaker for JT. Plus it would be difficult getthing him to go from the Oilers to the Oilers East. Unless they make the playoffs that is. And there in lies one of the many problems with UFAs. They just don't want to come here.

We have all of this amateur talent. They have to think about unloading some of it for established players. It's the only way to get the top players to come here. Don't worry about getting Ryan Smyth'd again. Make the moves neccessary to improve the team & UFAs will take notice.

I was always infavor of this rebuild & I think it's come along quite nicely. But I never imagined that besides for Streit, the best established skater the Isles brought in would be Bill Guerin & Doug Weight at the ends of their ropes. Where is this clubs Bobby Ryan, Millan Lucic, Alex Burrows, Mike Cammaleri, Danny Brier, or Marrian Hossa?

We're 9 or whatever games into this season and only 6 forwards have scored a goal. 1 of them being Matt Martin who isn't relied on to score. Where is that established winger to help out? At the rate they're going, the team will be lucky to get 30 goals out of the combination of Neilsen, Okposo, Comeau & Bailey. Somethings gotta change.


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See what your saying but I disagree...Pronger is exactly the type of player I feel can be the difference with this team. Yes, tavares needs a winger and Nash is amazing but I do feel like the scoring will come around. An imposing figure and crease clearing defenseman that can kill penalties and be a perfect D partner for Streit? Sign me up yesterday...Not to mention he's a leader and a warrior you can follow into battle.
the team is pretty lousy 5 on 5 though. I think fixing that is far more important than fixing a decent back end.

People hate on the NYI D corps, but it really isn't as bad as they say. Sure they lack a legitimate #2 to go with Streit, but 9 games in & I'd say the defense of the team has been a strength. These guys can't seem to get any goals at even strength though. Part of that is that only JT & Moulson seem willing to go to the net. I can't remember a single scrum infront of the opponents net all season.

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Agree with observation the real question is why dont we ever get it/ why didn't we do it last year.

Should of thrown more money at Erhoff when you are a no hoper team you have to pay more $$$ to get people over too you.

Then when you are good of course the opposite.
It wasn't $ as much as it was years. Ehrhoff just isn't a 10 year contract type of player. But that's just what he got from the Sabres. I'm very happy they didn't offer him that many years.

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Hey I found our top 4 Dman that we're missing! But for some reason he's playing 25 minutes a night with Anaheim......

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