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10-31-2011, 02:30 PM
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Conference Re-Alignment

Caught this the other night on the Hotstove Report, love that it's gaining momentum again, really want to see divisional playoffs again. This is actually Bettman's proposal from last year that seemed to fall by the wayside, but now has new life.

While the idea is picking up steam, PIT is against it at the moment, don't want to lose their rivalry with the Flyers.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...gaining-steam/

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I would blow a load if this were to happen.

Only thing that I would be pissed about is if SOMEHOW Detroit ended up in our division. But short of that... bring it on!

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Since they're proposing a lot of divisional games and a home-and-home with those outside your division, I think DET would more open to remaining out 'West'. Plus I don't think they should put MTL, BOS, TOR, and DET in the same division.

Alternatively, while I know PIT doesn't want to lose PHI, they gain at least three Original Sixers in MTL, BOS, TOR. Toss in the notion that if you throw CBJ in that division, you could literally help save the franchise to boot (Consol and Nationwide are 187 miles apart).


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Still don't see how it's still disputed whether Columbus or Detroit should move to the East. Detroit is a top competitor in the West and has some good rivalries with Western teams (Colorado?), while a move to the Eastern Conference would really help out Columbus, as well as its fanbase (you can say the same for Detroit, but I do assume that the Red Wings' fanbase is a bit stronger than Columbus'). Columbus would really benefit by moving to the East, while Detroit would just move us and most of the other teams in this conference down a peg.

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Still don't see how it's still disputed whether Columbus or Detroit should move to the East. Detroit is a top competitor in the West and has some good rivalries with Western teams (Colorado?), while a move to the Eastern Conference would really help out Columbus, as well as its fanbase (you can say the same for Detroit, but I do assume that the Red Wings' fanbase is a bit stronger than Columbus'). Columbus would really benefit by moving to the East, while Detroit would just move us and most of the other teams in this conference down a peg.
I agree. Shifting Detroit to the east would... and I don't want to sound too dramatic here... pretty much shift the balance of power. The Wings moving east would have a MASSIVE impact on both conferences. Meanwhile, A Columbus/Winnipeg tradeoff would really not have any ramifications. Both teams are pretty much in the same boat in terms of talent and seeding in their current conference. Not to mention the rivalries Detroit has in the west. Columbus to the east is a no brainer in my opinion.

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I would blow a load if this were to happen.

Only thing that I would be pissed about is if SOMEHOW Detroit ended up in our division. But short of that... bring it on!
I do not want this at ALL.

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DET wants to move east and they've been described as the 'good soldier' for staying out west for so many years. No one can argue with their on-ice success and the ramifications of them heading east, but it still has to be hard on the fan base being in the eastern time zone, but having so many road games in the other three zones.

While Bettman's proposal wouldn't solve it completely (assuming they stay in the West), it would mean a lot less travel and mostly central time zone away games within the division.

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Haha, the easier thing to do would be to get the state of Michigan to agree to move to the Central Time Zone. Would help the Wings, Tigers, Pistons, and Lions (although NFL scheduling makes this less of an issue), all of whom play in divisions with central time zone teams.



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Maybe I am selfish but I like the division the Isles are in simply for the fact I will see more of them against Tampa.

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DET wants to move east and they've been described as the 'good soldier' for staying out west for so many years. No one can argue with their on-ice success and the ramifications of them heading east, but it still has to be hard on the fan base being in the eastern time zone, but having so many road games in the other three zones.
The thing is, the situation is exactly the same for Columbus. What I'm saying is that a move to the East and resolving the time matter would be more beneficial to Columbus than to Detroit, because Detroit already has a pretty solid fan base.

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Easiest thing to do is just to move Nasville to the Southeast. So what if it's an hour behind? Geographically it makes the most sense.

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Columbus, Detroid & Nashville all should be in the East. But only 1 of them can be.

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Just like Blackjack, 21 to win.

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Easiest thing to do is just to move Nasville to the Southeast. So what if it's an hour behind? Geographically it makes the most sense.
Nashville isn't in any predicament. Detroit kids can't watch their team due to the 10pm starts all the time. It's unreal, but Bettman expanded and fans in Motown have been patient enough.

(and for the record, I don't wanna face Detoit more than we have to, but the situation is just blatantly unfair to the fans there)

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The thing is, the situation is exactly the same for Columbus. What I'm saying is that a move to the East and resolving the time matter would be more beneficial to Columbus than to Detroit, because Detroit already has a pretty solid fan base.
In a vacuum, yes, but the argument was that DET stayed out West and didn't b-tch about it under the assumption that they would eventually move east. Four division thing would at least alleviate some late night west coast games.

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Columbus, Detroid & Nashville all should be in the East. But only 1 of them can be.
Nashville kinda geographically makes sense in the Southeast if they keep the current format, but they're actually in the Central Time Zone.

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If 21 of the NHL's 30 members of the board of governors approve, it will pass.
I believe it needs 20 to pass (2/3rds), not 21.

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the wings make the most sense by far.

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Kinda indifferent to it, no matter what the alignment this team still has a lot of work to do.

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the wings make the most sense by far.
How do they make more sense than Columbus? Unless my geography is WAY off... Columbus is further east than Detroit.

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Interesting proposal.

If a re-alignment did occur, I always thought it would be:

Northeast:
Toronto
Detroit
Montreal
Buffalo
Ottawa

Atlantic:
Boston
NY Islanders
NY Rangers
New Jersey
Philadelphia

Southeast:
Pittsburgh
Washington
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Florida

Central:
Chicago
Columbus
Nashville
Minnesota
St. Louis

Northwest:
Winnepeg
Colorado
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton

Pacific:
Anaheim
San Jose
Los Angeles
Phoenix
Dallas

Problem is, you would lose the Montreal Boston rivalry and the Pittsburgh Philadelphia rivalry.

But you would gain the Pittsburgh Washington rivalry. Just my .02

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So let me get this straight. We would still have an 82 game season.

44 Games outside the division

38 Games in the Division Play (Each Team plays each other about 5 times)

Top 4 Teams from each division make the playoffs, and we get a division winner from each

Then the Eastern Conference Winner plays the Western Conference Winner for the Stanley Cup.

Am I correct here?

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So let me get this straight. We would still have an 82 game season.

44 Games outside the division

38 Games in the Division Play (Each Team plays each other about 5 times)

Top 4 Teams from each division make the playoffs, and we get a division winner from each

Then the Eastern Conference Winner plays the Western Conference Winner for the Stanley Cup.

Am I correct here?
Yes, essentially the format used from 81-82 through 92-93.

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Puck Daddy talking about a PIT-PHI alliance trying to thwart this realignment plan...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...medium=twitter

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How do they make more sense than Columbus? Unless my geography is WAY off... Columbus is further east than Detroit.
they been around longer. who cares about the Blue Jackets

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they been around longer. who cares about the Blue Jackets
I couldn't give a flying **** about the Blue Jackets. But in the same breath I can tell you I don't give a flying **** about Detroit either.

Here is why Columbus makes more sense:

- Columbus is further east than Detroit.

- Detroit are OBVIOUSLY not affected by the amount of west coast travel since they are constantly at the top of the conference.

- And I said this yesterday... A Columbus/Winnipeg swap keeps the balance where it is now. Putting a weak team like Winnipeg in the west and a powerhouse like Detroit in the east completely shifts the balance of power. A move like that is WAY more disruptive to the current league balance.

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So let me get this straight. We would still have an 82 game season.

44 Games outside the division

38 Games in the Division Play (Each Team plays each other about 5 times)

Top 4 Teams from each division make the playoffs, and we get a division winner from each

Then the Eastern Conference Winner plays the Western Conference Winner for the Stanley Cup.

Am I correct here?
And the bonus: We don't face Detroit unless Detroit wins two series. We face Philly, NYR, NJD, Wash, Carolina, TB and Fla.

I like it. Boston, Toronto, Pittsburg must HATE it.

Call it "Unbettmanizing the league."

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And the bonus: We don't face Detroit unless Detroit wins two series. We face Philly, NYR, NJD, Wash, Carolina, TB and Fla.

I like it. Boston, Toronto, Pittsburg must HATE it.

Call it "Unbettmanizing the league."
I think most teams tend to be cyclical over a period of time, going through stretches of good and bad seasons.

Well, maybe with the possible exceptions of DET and NYI who have been pretty consistent over the past 20 years.

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