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10-31-2011, 05:37 PM
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Ottawa is the only Canadian team that doesn't have 100% attendance? Color me shocked.

Don't they give away the most tickets too?

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10-31-2011, 05:41 PM
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Pittsburgh fan, Leaf fan, or Ranger fan?

The arena is a ****ing dump. I could go to nearly every game if I wanted, I haven't been since Opening Night -- which reminded me how much I hate our building.
I actually found Nassau Colisium to have a great sight lines

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96.3%? Move the Predators to Hamilton!


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10-31-2011, 05:51 PM
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what's the chances of dallas relocating?

i mean their fans cant use the "bad product" excuse

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Ottawa is the only Canadian team that doesn't have 100% attendance? Color me shocked.

Don't they give away the most tickets too?
Ottawa is just a bad sports city. They couldn't even support a CFL team.

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10-31-2011, 05:56 PM
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I think Dallas' numbers will go up now that the World Series is done.

Not only are the numbers inaccurate but it seems really stupid to rank attendance based on actual numbers when not every arena has the same capacity. Capacity percentage seems like a more accurate reflection of the market in each city. It just seems plain stupid that Washington and Pittsburgh have attendance that are over the standard seating in their arenas yet are ranked 11th and 12th and not to mention Winnipeg having sold out each game and being ranked freaking 23rd on the list.

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what's the chances of dallas relocating?

i mean their fans cant use the "bad product" excuse
If any owner is considering relocation, you may start hearing leaking of it sometime after the new year. The 2012-13 realignment presents somewhat of a deadline for the Stars and Coyotes of the world to make a seamless move to an East time zone city like Quebec City.

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10-31-2011, 06:01 PM
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I actually found Nassau Colisium to have a great sight lines
Colisium is a dump, but similar to the Garden, people don't really mind because of the rich character in the arena. Feels like home to some.

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Ottawa is just a bad sports city. They couldn't even support a CFL team.
Ottawa's a fine hockey town, actually. It's a beautiful city with very passionate and knowledgable fans. CFL failing doesn't repesent the faithfuls there.

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10-31-2011, 06:05 PM
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Ottawa lost $15M last season while selling out almost 100% of all their home games.

that makes sense to you? it's pretty well known (maybe not in NYC... but somewhere hockey matters) they give away a lot of tickets. even their GM didn't deny the losses

if you have nothing substantial to add, why bother posting?

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Glad to see Nashville doing so well.

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Dallas has a lease with the arena until 2025. Gaglardi has made it 100% clear he has no interest in moving the team. Its not even possible.

Its been gone over 100 times but to reiterate, the Stars are in a holding mode right now until Gaglardi takes over. There is zero, zilch, nada marketting and advertising going on. No game package specials, no ads on tv or billboards, nothing. On top of fans spending money on Rangers, Cowboys, and recently Mavs playoff tix, people don't have the cash to see Oct games of a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 3 yrs, let alone support it while Hicks is the owner still.

Dallas will be fine.

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Kings should have 100%, all kings game have been sellouts.... I think the Europe "home game" are throwing the numbers off.

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what's the chances of dallas relocating?

i mean their fans cant use the "bad product" excuse
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I don't understand, how do some teams; ie Chicago and Vancouver, have a % of seats sold above 100? Are the charging people to sit on the stairs or something.

I see Standing Room has been suggested, but that it also is factored into the seat #'s.

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Colisium is a dump, but similar to the Garden, people don't really mind because of the rich character in the arena. Feels like home to some.



Ottawa's a fine hockey town, actually. It's a beautiful city with very passionate and knowledgable fans. CFL failing doesn't repesent the faithfuls there.
Ottawa is a good hockey town but in comparison to the rest of Canada it supports it's franchises the least. Still a better hockey town than most American markets.

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I actually found Nassau Colisium to have a great sight lines
I agree....it seems some Islanders fans (not targeting anyone in particular, just in general) forget that they go to hockey games to watch the game and not to inspect how the walls, ceiling, and concourse look.

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10-31-2011, 06:22 PM
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also the fact that 5 teams are above 100% attendance, should tell you all you need to know about those numbers
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I don't understand, how do some teams; ie Chicago and Vancouver, have a % of seats sold above 100? Are the charging people to sit on the stairs or something.

I see Standing Room has been suggested, but that it also is factored into the seat #'s.
Standing room is not considered a part of seating capacity. At least I'm 99% sure that it's not considered part of the seating capacity and is the reason why some teams are over the 100% attendance. Of the teams surpassing the 100% mark, they are big market teams, with high consumer demand and all accommodate standing rooms in their arenas. I think it all adds up. If that's not it, then my only other guess are the seating in the arena suites.

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Ottawa is a good hockey town but in comparison to the rest of Canada it supports it's franchises the least. Still a better hockey town than most American markets.
i like it when people bash the ottawa market when it's right in the middle of the two largest markets in the NHL (montreal & toronto) that have years of history and tradition on them.

the fact that ottawa's fanbase has been split between these two teams doesn't help either, but in the 20 years ottawa's been in the league, it has made huge inroads in reclaiming a new generation of fans.

pretty low blow for fans from toronto and montreal to even try to colour ottawa as a bad fanbase. no other canadian market has had to deal with that kind of competition. ottawa's always been consistently at the top of the attendance rankings year over year, save a few years where there was an ownership & debt crisis.

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Preds attendance

ESPN had their avg attendance at 12336 and Buffalo's attendance as 12682 on Saturday. I wouldn't use them for anything right now.

If you really need to check numbers just use nhl.com at this link

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what's the chances of dallas relocating?

i mean their fans cant use the "bad product" excuse
minus five percent

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1 Toronto Maple Leafs $123.77 x 19,456 = 2,408,069.20 per game
2 Winnipeg Jets 98.27 x 15,004 = $1,474,443.08 per game
3 Montreal Canadiens 88.67 x 21,273 = $1,886,276.91 per game
4 Edmonton Oilers 70.13 x 16,839 = $1,180,919.07 per game
5 Vancouver Canucks 68.38 x 18,860 = $1,289,646.80 per game
6 Calgary Flames 68.18 x 19,289 = $1,315,124.02 per game
7 Philadelphia Flyers 66.89 x 19,623 = $1,312,582.47 per game
8 New York Rangers 66.20
9 Pittsburgh Penguins 63.06
10 Minnesota Wild 62.63
11 Washington Capitals 62.42
12 Boston Bruins 58.94
- NHL Average 57.10
13 Chicago Blackhawks 55.72 x 21,435 = $1,119,358.20 per game
14 Florida Panthers 55.67
15 Ottawa Senators 55.51
16 Detroit Red Wings 53.28 x 20,066 = $1,069,116.48 per game
17 Los Angeles Kings 51.92
18 Nashville Predators 51.04
19 San Jose Sharks 49.73
20 New York Islanders 49.06
21 Columbus Blue Jackets 47.95
22 New Jersey Devils 45.86
23 Carolina Hurricanes 41.58
24 St. Louis Blues 41.57 x 19,150 = $796,065.50 per game
25 Colorado Avalanche 40.62
26 Buffalo Sabres 38.25
27 Tampa Bay Lightning 37.73 x 18,948 = $714,908.04 per game
28 Anaheim Ducks 36.94
29 Phoenix Coyotes 36.15 x 10,012 = $361,933.80 per game
30 Dallas Stars 29.95 x 9,671 = $289,646.25 per game RED ALERT!!!


-TO is subsidizing the rest of the league. Stratospheric ticket prices!
-If Phoenix had to be bailed out when they have better numbers, then Dallas is in BIG trouble.

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1 Toronto Maple Leafs $123.77 x 19,456 = 2,408,069.20 per game
2 Winnipeg Jets 98.27 x 15,004 = $1,474,443.08 per game
3 Montreal Canadiens 88.67 x 21,273 = $1,886,276.91 per game
4 Edmonton Oilers 70.13 x 16,839 = $1,180,919.07 per game
5 Vancouver Canucks 68.38 x 18,860 = $1,289,646.80 per game
6 Calgary Flames 68.18 x 19,289 = $1,315,124.02 per game
7 Philadelphia Flyers 66.89 x 19,623 = $1,312,582.47 per game
8 New York Rangers 66.20
9 Pittsburgh Penguins 63.06
10 Minnesota Wild 62.63
11 Washington Capitals 62.42
12 Boston Bruins 58.94
- NHL Average 57.10
13 Chicago Blackhawks 55.72 x 21,435 = $1,119,358.20 per game
14 Florida Panthers 55.67
15 Ottawa Senators 55.51
16 Detroit Red Wings 53.28 x 20,066 = $1,069,116.48 per game
17 Los Angeles Kings 51.92
18 Nashville Predators 51.04
19 San Jose Sharks 49.73
20 New York Islanders 49.06
21 Columbus Blue Jackets 47.95
22 New Jersey Devils 45.86
23 Carolina Hurricanes 41.58
24 St. Louis Blues 41.57 x 19,150 = $796,065.50 per game
25 Colorado Avalanche 40.62
26 Buffalo Sabres 38.25
27 Tampa Bay Lightning 37.73 x 18,948 = $714,908.04 per game
28 Anaheim Ducks 36.94
29 Phoenix Coyotes 36.15 x 10,012 = $361,933.80 per game
30 Dallas Stars 29.95 x 9,671 = $289,646.25 per game RED ALERT!!!


-TO is subsidizing the rest of the league. Stratospheric ticket prices!
-If Phoenix had to be bailed out when they have better numbers, then Dallas is in BIG trouble.
Can't help but notice that the Florida Panthers have higher revenue than Buffalo and Detroit. Ain't that something.

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Its been discussed that in Detroit people buy season tickets alot but dont bother going to the games until the post season. The attendance is just ticket sales, they dont actually count each person to show up.
This is usually a team decision, is it not? Columbus switched a few years back from reporting tickets sold to butts in seats, which is often to their disadvantage when compared with other teams.

The stats for Columbus are off by 2500 on average, but it's possible the last two home games weren't counted.

Either way Columbus is poor but there is some explanation. Virtually no weekend games so far and poor performance has kept people away. Even with a poor team though, attendance usually picks up in december and on weekends. If they start playing up to potential, those numbers should increase even more.

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1 Toronto Maple Leafs $123.77 x 19,456 = 2,408,069.20 per game
2 Winnipeg Jets 98.27 x 15,004 = $1,474,443.08 per game
3 Montreal Canadiens 88.67 x 21,273 = $1,886,276.91 per game
4 Edmonton Oilers 70.13 x 16,839 = $1,180,919.07 per game
5 Vancouver Canucks 68.38 x 18,860 = $1,289,646.80 per game
6 Calgary Flames 68.18 x 19,289 = $1,315,124.02 per game
7 Philadelphia Flyers 66.89 x 19,623 = $1,312,582.47 per game
8 New York Rangers 66.20
9 Pittsburgh Penguins 63.06
10 Minnesota Wild 62.63
11 Washington Capitals 62.42
12 Boston Bruins 58.94
- NHL Average 57.10
13 Chicago Blackhawks 55.72 x 21,435 = $1,119,358.20 per game
14 Florida Panthers 55.67
15 Ottawa Senators 55.51
16 Detroit Red Wings 53.28 x 20,066 = $1,069,116.48 per game
17 Los Angeles Kings 51.92
18 Nashville Predators 51.04
19 San Jose Sharks 49.73
20 New York Islanders 49.06
21 Columbus Blue Jackets 47.95
22 New Jersey Devils 45.86
23 Carolina Hurricanes 41.58
24 St. Louis Blues 41.57 x 19,150 = $796,065.50 per game
25 Colorado Avalanche 40.62
26 Buffalo Sabres 38.25
27 Tampa Bay Lightning 37.73 x 18,948 = $714,908.04 per game
28 Anaheim Ducks 36.94
29 Phoenix Coyotes 36.15 x 10,012 = $361,933.80 per game
30 Dallas Stars 29.95 x 9,671 = $289,646.25 per game RED ALERT!!!


-TO is subsidizing the rest of the league. Stratospheric ticket prices!
-If Phoenix had to be bailed out when they have better numbers, then Dallas is in BIG trouble.
Interesting that Winnipeg is 2nd. Could you work out $ per game for all teams and then re-sort?

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Ottawa lost $15M last season while selling out almost 100% of all their home games.

that makes sense to you? it's pretty well known (maybe not in NYC... but somewhere hockey matters) they give away a lot of tickets. even their GM didn't deny the losses

if you have nothing substantial to add, why bother posting?
The TEAM may have lost money, but not Melnyk :O

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