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10-31-2011, 07:52 PM
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Does those numbers include when teams played in europe in the beggining of the season.

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10-31-2011, 07:56 PM
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Can't help but notice that the Florida Panthers have higher revenue than Buffalo and Detroit. Ain't that something.
It was sorted by average ticket price. Not revenue.

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10-31-2011, 07:59 PM
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I don't understand, how do some teams; ie Chicago and Vancouver, have a % of seats sold above 100? Are the charging people to sit on the stairs or something.

I see Standing Room has been suggested, but that it also is factored into the seat #'s.
It's not.

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10-31-2011, 08:01 PM
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I think we can all conclude that using attendance to determine the stability of a franchise is useless.

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10-31-2011, 08:04 PM
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Pretty impressive, only 3 teams with bad attendance. I'm sure that NYI/NJ will sort themselves out in a couple years too unless management is stupid.

Fla above 80%? Not bad.

But the thing is that it doesn't show gate revenue (aka avg ticket price).

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10-31-2011, 08:06 PM
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Why is something so wildly inaccurate allowed to stay open?

The Sabres have sold out every one of their home games.

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10-31-2011, 08:08 PM
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How do you sell 104% of seating?

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10-31-2011, 08:21 PM
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1 Toronto Maple Leafs $123.77 x 19,456 = 2,408,069.20 per game
2 Winnipeg Jets 98.27 x 15,004 = $1,474,443.08 per game
3 Montreal Canadiens 88.67 x 21,273 = $1,886,276.91 per game
4 Edmonton Oilers 70.13 x 16,839 = $1,180,919.07 per game
5 Vancouver Canucks 68.38 x 18,860 = $1,289,646.80 per game
6 Calgary Flames 68.18 x 19,289 = $1,315,124.02 per game
7 Philadelphia Flyers 66.89 x 19,623 = $1,312,582.47 per game
8 New York Rangers 66.20
9 Pittsburgh Penguins 63.06
10 Minnesota Wild 62.63
11 Washington Capitals 62.42
12 Boston Bruins 58.94
- NHL Average 57.10
13 Chicago Blackhawks 55.72 x 21,435 = $1,119,358.20 per game
14 Florida Panthers 55.67
15 Ottawa Senators 55.51
16 Detroit Red Wings 53.28 x 20,066 = $1,069,116.48 per game
17 Los Angeles Kings 51.92
18 Nashville Predators 51.04
19 San Jose Sharks 49.73
20 New York Islanders 49.06
21 Columbus Blue Jackets 47.95
22 New Jersey Devils 45.86
23 Carolina Hurricanes 41.58
24 St. Louis Blues 41.57 x 19,150 = $796,065.50 per game
25 Colorado Avalanche 40.62
26 Buffalo Sabres 38.25
27 Tampa Bay Lightning 37.73 x 18,948 = $714,908.04 per game
28 Anaheim Ducks 36.94
29 Phoenix Coyotes 36.15 x 10,012 = $361,933.80 per game
30 Dallas Stars 29.95 x 9,671 = $289,646.25 per game RED ALERT!!!


-TO is subsidizing the rest of the league. Stratospheric ticket prices!
-If Phoenix had to be bailed out when they have better numbers, then Dallas is in BIG trouble.
That can't be the right Devils average as during "classic" games, which most are, there are only 2 ticket sections bellow 61 bucks and they're priced at $37 and $27 and even for our cheapest games, again only 2 sections below 51 bucks.

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How do you sell 104% of seating?
Once again. Some teams have standing room only seats, but some states don't allow for SRO tix. so there attendance is locked at seating capacity. Others might not count the SRO tix.

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10-31-2011, 08:22 PM
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Lol, I wonder what ESPN intern had the job of generating these numbers.

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10-31-2011, 09:52 PM
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i like it when people bash the ottawa market when it's right in the middle of the two largest markets in the NHL (montreal & toronto) that have years of history and tradition on them.

the fact that ottawa's fanbase has been split between these two teams doesn't help either, but in the 20 years ottawa's been in the league, it has made huge inroads in reclaiming a new generation of fans.

pretty low blow for fans from toronto and montreal to even try to colour ottawa as a bad fanbase. no other canadian market has had to deal with that kind of competition. ottawa's always been consistently at the top of the attendance rankings year over year, save a few years where there was an ownership & debt crisis.
Seriously. I always laugh when people on here say Ottawa is a bad hockey city because of the number of Leafs and Habs (and a few other teams) fans show up to their games. Um, hello, the majority of them live in Ottawa. The hometown team may not be the most popular in the city by a significant margin, but they're all hockey fans. Take a look at the two CHL franchises in the Ottawa area, and then the ones in Toronto (yes I know, no one mentioned Toronto and hockey city, etc) and get back to me on the whole hockey city label. It's more than just the NHL that counts when it comes to a hockey city.

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10-31-2011, 09:58 PM
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florida tonight was scary bad,

i know its halloween, but there was under 2000 people there

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10-31-2011, 10:02 PM
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Are those Buffalo numbers real? I'm shocked by that after the money they spent and the fact that they have a good team. I thought they were selling out every game!
Buffalo has sold out every game. These numbers are all messed up including the Europe trip.

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10-31-2011, 10:03 PM
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florida tonight was scary bad,

i know its halloween, but there was under 2000 people there
stop trolling. It was an off night and it was well over 10,000 i assure you. Notice the panthers in the top half of the league in attendance.

A 75% capacity bank atlantic center is above a sell out at the MTS Centre. You have no grounds to speak about florida attendance.

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10-31-2011, 10:03 PM
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The "What's up" with Buffalo is that they've only included the Helsinki game and three of the four games in Buffalo in their total, yet still divided it by 5. More reasons not to trust ESPN for hockey stats... math fail. They have them at 69,419 after five games, missing a full-house (18,690) from home somewhere in there. They're actually at 88,109 for five games... including 13K in Helsinki as a home date.
Good to know. What a fail though.

Very glad to see STL and TB up there so high

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10-31-2011, 10:17 PM
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Ottawa lost $15M last season while selling out almost 100% of all their home games.

that makes sense to you? it's pretty well known (maybe not in NYC... but somewhere hockey matters) they give away a lot of tickets. even their GM didn't deny the losses

if you have nothing substantial to add, why bother posting?
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10-31-2011, 10:19 PM
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stop trolling. It was an off night and it was well over 10,000 i assure you. Notice the panthers in the top half of the league in attendance.

A 75% capacity bank atlantic center is above a sell out at the MTS Centre. You have no grounds to speak about florida attendance.
The announced attendance was 11,855 and many people, including your own beat writers, thought that number was creative to say the least.

Also, since when is 75% of 17,040 greater than 15,004?
It's 12,780.

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I think we can all conclude that using attendance to determine the stability of a franchise is useless.
Exactly. I wish revenue from games was public.

As for ESPN numbers. Buffalo has had all sell outs so that number is wrong.

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10-31-2011, 10:23 PM
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I honestly don't believe the Canucks sellout every game and that the owners buy up the un-sold seats just to keep the sellout streak alive.

There are always a bunch of tickets available on game day that get released from the allotment of player/media/whatever tickets. I guarantee not all of those tickets sell. I see empty seats in the building all the time and I have a hard time believing all of those are season ticket holders that did not attend the game.

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10-31-2011, 10:24 PM
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How do you sell 104% of seating?
It's as a percentage of stated, rather than actual, capacity.

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florida tonight was scary bad,

i know its halloween, but there was under 2000 people there
They played Winnipeg. No one outside of Winnipeg cares about Winnipeg.

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They played Winnipeg. No one outside of Winnipeg cares about Winnipeg.
does anyone outside of florida care about florida?

but they'll get sellouts in winnipeg

hmmmm interesting, and tampa bay had good attendance against the jets

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They played Winnipeg. No one outside of Winnipeg cares about Winnipeg.
This is totally true. I've been to Winnipeg like four times and even I barely know where it is.

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They played Winnipeg. No one outside of Winnipeg cares about Winnipeg.
I care about Winnipeg and I don't live there.

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does anyone outside of florida care about florida?

but they'll get sellouts in winnipeg

hmmmm interesting, and tampa bay had good attendance against the jets
Halloween in Miami is ridiculous. There are about ten thousand things that are more entertaining to do and only that one night that are above a Panthers/Jets game. I also highly doubt it was only 2k people.

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Can you provide a link(s) to show this?
Melynk admitted the Sens need to make it deep into the second round to be profitable when they are spending the cap. Source

The $14M figure is just a rumor, but I'm sure its obvious the Sens didn't break even last year, but the whole business including the arena is profitable.

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