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01-25-2012, 11:58 PM
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They could also do the same technique they did in Vancouver and bring the entire line.
If the kids are playing like now (essentially PPG) with an added 2 years of experience, I think this is bound to happen. Especially considering that Crosby is iffy and RNH could earn a spot up the middle. Only issue is that RNH will still be quite young by then, not fully grown, and if he can't win atleast 45-50~% of his faceoffs then that will really hurt his chances.

I think Hall and Eberle have great chances though, especially given Eberle's sucess with Canada and at 23 (I think? or 24?) he will have a LOT more experience.

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Stamkos - Crosby - Perry
Tavares - Getzlaf - Giroux
Marleau - Henrique - Eberle
Benn - O'Rielly - Nash

Kieth - Weber
Del Zotto - Doughty
Vlasic - Pietrangelo

Price
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Not even sure if serious.

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01-26-2012, 12:02 AM
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Most of these are pretty horrible. As a Swede I really hope Canada will be sending guys like Heatley, Getzlaf and E.Staal there.

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Heatley is equal to Crosby in International Tournaments - You definitely want him on the Roster for 2014 (and 2012 WC's this year)
Crosby is the best player on the planet. The word "equal" does belong in any sentence comparing Crosby and Heatley.

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I think Logan Couture will be on this team with the way he's performing. The guy doesn't get the respect he deserve.

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01-26-2012, 12:05 AM
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Crosby is the best player on the planet. The word "equal" doesn't belong in any sentence comparing Crosby and Heatley.
Fixed it. You're welcome.

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01-26-2012, 12:08 AM
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Why do people keep putting Iginla... he'll be what, 36, 37?

No way.

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I'm a Leaf homer but seriously how is Phaneuf on anyone's list.... Maybe as a backup defensivemen..... Maybe


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With a few exceptions, the hardest part of determining the 2014 team comes down to veterans. We all know there will be some older guys on the team, and while we might want the new kids to take over their spots, I doubt Hockey Canada does not bring a few players that are up there in age/experience. I took that into account while making my picks, while also including players that could easily replace those I've listed.

Line 1
Toews-Crosby-Tavares: Three centres, but I made this line based on one asset all three have: excellent board play. This line can work the cycle, and all of them have the ability to distribute and score. Oh, and the actual positioning is interchangeable.

Line 2
Stamkos-Giroux-Eberle: While line one will most likely grab all of the attention, line two will need to take advantage of the other teams' weaker defensive pairings.

Line 3
Benn-Getzlaf-Perry: Creating space with a big line. The latter two are not having great years, to be sure, but they were crucial in the 2010 Olympics during the elimination rounds and I think they will return to elite status by then. Getzlaf is also interchangeable with Staal, while Benn could be swapped with Hall.

Line 4
(Mike) Richards-Bergeron-Seguin: A bit different from what I've seen thus far, I would use this as the shutdown line. Mike Richards' physicality will be very important, as will Bergeron's two-way ability. Seguin compliments the line with high-end talent and chemistry with Bergeron.

13th Forward: Brendan Morrow- Can fit anywhere in line-up as needed, veteran presence. Is interchangeable with Iginla, Thornton.

Pair 1
Keith-Doughty: Although neither of the two have been quite as good since the Olympic year, Keith's calming presence, Doughty's (banking on this) improvement and memories from 2010 makes this pair our top unit.

Pair 2
Staal-Weber: Shutdown pairing. Weber can also provide offense with his slapper, while Staal is not a bad puck mover himself. Note: Hamhuis is interchangeable with Staal.

Pair 3
Boyle-Letang: Offensive, puck-moving pairing that can dictate flow of game.

7th D-man: Alex Pietrangelo- Can be inserted wherever needed, and probably will not stay as the 7th D-man all tourney.

Goalies: Marc-Andre Fleury, Roberto Luongo, Carey Price- Fleury or Price gets the starting job, depending on who is considered the better goalie at this point. Price has experience with winning internationally for Canada. Luongo returns as a favor of sorts.

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01-26-2012, 12:09 AM
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Most of these are pretty horrible. As a Swede I really hope Canada will be sending guys like Heatley, Getzlaf and E.Staal there.
Getzlaf and Staal are 26 and 27, I'd be quite shocked if they didn't have bounce back years next year. This is the first time in the past 5 years where both their names weren't in the top 15 Canadian scorers.

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01-26-2012, 12:13 AM
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Price
Fleury
Ward

Weber (A) - Letang
Keith - Seabrook
Staal - Girardi
Doughty

Stamkos - Toews (C) - Tavares
Nash - Getzlaf - Perry
Hall - Giroux - Eberle
Sharp (A) - Bergeron - Kane
Morrow (A)

This is without Crosby.

I think if Bergeron, Getzlaf, Perry, Sharp, and Morrow want to be there, they will.

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01-26-2012, 12:18 AM
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Getzlaf and Staal are 26 and 27, I'd be quite shocked if they didn't have bounce back years next year. This is the first time in the past 5 years where both their names weren't in the top 15 Canadian scorers.
Cheechoo was also that age when he went downhill. Getzlaf is only carried by Perry. There might be some hope for E. Staal though, but there are so many good players who are likely to be taking his spot for the Olympics.

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Getzlaf and Staal are 26 and 27, I'd be quite shocked if they didn't have bounce back years next year. This is the first time in the past 5 years where both their names weren't in the top 15 Canadian scorers.
Staal doesn't make the line up over anyone that will be ready in 2014.

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01-26-2012, 12:21 AM
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With a few exceptions, the hardest part of determining the 2014 team comes down to veterans. We all know there will be some older guys on the team, and while we might want the new kids to take over their spots, I doubt Hockey Canada does not bring a few players that are up there in age/experience. I took that into account while making my picks, while also including players that could easily replace those I've listed.

Line 1
Toews-Crosby-Tavares: Three centres, but I made this line based on one asset all three have: excellent board play. This line can work the cycle, and all of them have the ability to distribute and score. Oh, and the actual positioning is interchangeable.

Line 2
Stamkos-Giroux-Eberle: While line one will most likely grab all of the attention, line two will need to take advantage of the other teams' weaker defensive pairings.

Line 3
Benn-Getzlaf-Perry: Creating space with a big line. The latter two are not having great years, to be sure, but they were crucial in the 2010 Olympics during the elimination rounds and I think they will return to elite status by then. Getzlaf is also interchangeable with Staal, while Benn could be swapped with Hall.

Line 4
(Mike) Richards-Bergeron-Seguin: A bit different from what I've seen thus far, I would use this as the shutdown line. Mike Richards' physicality will be very important, as will Bergeron's two-way ability. Seguin compliments the line with high-end talent and chemistry with Bergeron.

13th Forward: Brendan Morrow- Can fit anywhere in line-up as needed, veteran presence. Is interchangeable with Iginla, Thornton.

Pair 1
Keith-Doughty: Although neither of the two have been quite as good since the Olympic year, Keith's calming presence, Doughty's (banking on this) improvement and memories from 2010 makes this pair our top unit.

Pair 2
Staal-Weber: Shutdown pairing. Weber can also provide offense with his slapper, while Staal is not a bad puck mover himself. Note: Hamhuis is interchangeable with Staal.

Pair 3
Boyle-Letang: Offensive, puck-moving pairing that can dictate flow of game.

7th D-man: Alex Pietrangelo- Can be inserted wherever needed, and probably will not stay as the 7th D-man all tourney.

Goalies: Marc-Andre Fleury, Roberto Luongo, Carey Price- Fleury or Price gets the starting job, depending on who is considered the better goalie at this point. Price has experience with winning internationally for Canada. Luongo returns as a favor of sorts.
NO WAY does Boyle play in the 2014 Olympics. He's not the same Boyle as a couple years ago. He might be tough enough to play through some injuries but he will need the Olympic break to rest his body. There are some better players that should be on this team instead of Boyle. Sorry to break up your team.

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01-26-2012, 12:23 AM
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anyone who thinks nugent hopkins will be absent are nuts. kids ppg in 1st season.

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Has everyone else completely forgot about James Neal or am I missing something? Or am I overrating him? I haven't seen one other mock lineup with him in it. He'll be in his prime at 27 by that time.

I'm also big on Jamie Benn. He's awesome as it is and has huge upside still. He'll still only be 25 by then.

I really think Canada should have learned their lesson by now and realize you need as much skill as possible on European ice. You need forwards that are great on the PK, but with the amount of skill Canada can send there's no need for defensive specialists on European ice. I'm pretty confident guys like Giroux and Toews can do as good of a job being better than their opponents on the big ice than "specialists" like Zamuner and Draper.

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Some of these lists look like people that have never seen how Hockey Canada puts together an Olympic team.

Anyways, guys like Skinner, Tavares, RNH, Eberle, Hall, Seguin, etc. will likely have to make the top 9 to ever make the team. Canada always takes role players, guys who can win faceoffs on both sides, and checkers for the 4th line.

There's a good chance Bergeron could be back again, and a player or two that can fill the role that Morrow played last time.

As far as some of the older guys, I'd be shocked if Heater was still a consideration 2.5 years from now, he seems to be on the decline and there are just too many young players surpassing him right now.

They always take at least one or two guys with lots of experience, so even though it might shock some I could see them taking a 36 year old Iginla, since he was good last time and has been to 3 Olympics now?

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01-26-2012, 12:29 AM
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Crosby is the best player on the planet. The word "equal" does belong in any sentence comparing Crosby and Heatley.
Debatable. Crosby was pretty invisible in the 2010 Olympics except for the final goal. He was tied for 2 in points and goals with 2 or 3 others. Just because a player can play in the NHL at an Elite level, doesn't mean you can in International Hockey. Different Game.

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Has everyone else completely forgot about James Neal or am I missing something? Or am I overrating him? I haven't seen one other mock lineup with him in it. He'll be in his prime at 27 by that time.

I'm also big on Jamie Benn. He's awesome as it is and has huge upside still. He'll still only be 25 by then.

I really think Canada should have learned their lesson by now and realize you need as much skill as possible on European ice. You need forwards that are great on the PK, but with the amount of skill Canada can send there's no need for defensive specialists on European ice. I'm pretty confident guys like Giroux and Toews can do as good of a job being better than their opponents on the big ice than "specialists" like Zamuner and Draper.
Neal is a very streaky scorer, so it may just come down to how he is playing at the time, since it's over 2 years away still.

Hockey Canada usually takes at least one guy that is red hot, so if he is playing like he is now he will at least be getting a lot of looks.

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LOL @ all these lists without Hall and RNH

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Some of these lists look like people that have never seen how Hockey Canada puts together an Olympic team.

Anyways, guys like Skinner, Tavares, RNH, Eberle, Hall, Seguin, etc. will likely have to make the top 9 to ever make the team. Canada always takes role players, guys who can win faceoffs on both sides, and checkers for the 4th line.

There's a good chance Bergeron could be back again, and a player or two that can fill the role that Morrow played last time.

As far as some of the older guys, I'd be shocked if Heater was still a consideration 2.5 years from now, he seems to be on the decline and there are just too many young players surpassing him right now.

They always take at least one or two guys with lots of experience, so even though it might shock some I could see them taking a 36 year old Iginla, since he was good last time and has been to 3 Olympics now?
There's been 2 "best on best" Olympics in Europe and Canada has yet to medal in either of them. That shouldn't happen. There should be 2 separate mentalities for European and North American ice IMO. I see no reason why Jonathon Toews can't be that shutdown guy if we need to assign one.

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Steven Stamkos - Sidney Crosby - Claude Giroux

Jamie Benn/Eric Staal - Jonathan Toews - Rick Nash

John Tavares - Ryan Getzlaf - Corey Perry

Mike Richards - Patrice Bergeron - Jarome Iginla

Brenden Morrow/Tyler Seguin


Shea Weber - Duncan Keith

Drew Doughty - Chris Pronger

Kris Letang - Brent Seabrook

Alex Pietrangelo


Roberto Luongo

Marc Andre Fleury

Carey Price

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LOL @ all these lists without Hall and RNH

Keep hating
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There's been 2 "best on best" Olympics in Europe and Canada has yet to medal in either of them. That shouldn't happen. There should be 2 separate mentalities for European and North American ice IMO. I see no reason why Jonathon Toews can't be that shutdown guy if we need to assign one.
He definitely CAN be, and judging from last year there's a good chance he will be.

That being said, if we can find a defensive centre that can do similar things to Toews, then JT can be let loose to bring some offense down the middle.

Judging by how much his offensive game has exploded this year, we may need that type of game in 2014 and we may not want him burning energy checking the other teams top line every game.

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