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12-10-2011, 08:00 PM
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RNH may be better served playing with the best linemates available, not necessarily the guys he plays in the NHL with. They went with the chemistry with Thornton's line last time and those guys didn't do anything.

Drawing up the lines at this point is just fantasy stuff, they usually don't up out the way you expect. I'm not even convinced Eberle and Hall are shoe-ins, although I expect at worst they'll be in the running. This team is going to be ridiculously tough to make, especially with all the centers moving over to wing.
I think it helps that Eberle and Hall are natural wingers since Canada is so deep at center. This is years away so who knows if they'll even make the team.

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12-10-2011, 08:19 PM
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Both Doughty and Keith need to play alot better than currently to not be on the choping block for the 2014 Olympics. As a Doughty Fan boy, I hope thats the case and, I think it will be but he is really giving us Kings fans a scare in the mean time...and ironically so after signing for 7m plus a year longish term.

As phenomenal as he was in 2010 as an 18 year old, there are just too many up and comers and, all star vets, that dont make it every four years to justify keeping a 24 year old on the roster, who can't calculate risks to the point of costing goals against.

Fowler
Pietriangelo(sp?)
Meyers
J.Gardiener
Phanuef
Gudbranson
Seabrook
J.Bow(a resurgence could happen in two seasons)
Burns(not convinced myself, but it could happen)
Valssic(he's out performing Boyle and Burns right now)
Hamhuis(long shot but I think he's better than Seabrook who has got a shot to make it)
Ryan Ellis(dark horse of dark horse's)
the point is that if Doughty keeps slipping and any one of these risers picks up their production any time between now and 2014 why would you keep a lesser player based off of four years ago's performance?

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As a Mtl fan and a Canadian, Id say I would not have any problem having Price as the starting goaltender. With him in net, I believe he gives us a chance to win every game.

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12-10-2011, 09:08 PM
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Both Doughty and Keith need to play alot better than currently to not be on the choping block for the 2014 Olympics. As a Doughty Fan boy, I hope thats the case and, I think it will be but he is really giving us Kings fans a scare in the mean time...and ironically so after signing for 7m plus a year longish term.

As phenomenal as he was in 2010 as an 18 year old, there are just too many up and comers and, all star vets, that dont make it every four years to justify keeping a 24 year old on the roster, who can't calculate risks to the point of costing goals against.

Fowler
Pietriangelo(sp?)
Meyers
J.Gardiener
Phanuef
Gudbranson
Seabrook
J.Bow(a resurgence could happen in two seasons)
Burns(not convinced myself, but it could happen)
Valssic(he's out performing Boyle and Burns right now)
Hamhuis(long shot but I think he's better than Seabrook who has got a shot to make it)
Ryan Ellis(dark horse of dark horse's)
the point is that if Doughty keeps slipping and any one of these risers picks up their production any time between now and 2014 why would you keep a lesser player based off of four years ago's performance?
Fowler and Gardiner are both American.

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12-10-2011, 09:28 PM
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Stamkos-Crosby (C)-Tavares
E. Kane-Giroux-Perry
Sharp-Toews (A)-Iginla (A)
Seguin-Bergeron-M.Richards
Nash, Getzlaf

Doughty-Weber (A)
Keith-Seabrook
Staal-Pietrangelo
Letang

Price
Luongo
MAF

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12-10-2011, 10:36 PM
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Stamkos - Crosby "C" - Nash
Perry - Getzlaf - E.Staal
M.Richards - Toews "A" - Giroux
Neal - J.Staal - Benn
*Nugent-Hopkins


Doughty - Keith
Weber "A" - Letang
Seabrook - Pietrangelo
*Burns


Price
MAF
*Luongo

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12-11-2011, 03:31 AM
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Steven Stamkos - Sidney Crosby - Corey Perry
Milan Lucic - Patrice Bergeron - Tyler Seguin
Evander Kane - Jonathan Toews - Claude Giroux
Taylor Hall - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Jordan Eberle
John Tavares

Drew Doughty - Duncan Keith
Shea Weber - Dion Phaneuf
Kris Letang - Alex Pietrangelo
P.K. Subban - Tyler Myers

Marc-Andre Fleury
Carey Price


Question:

According to Olympic rules, could a team, if it wished, forego taking a third goaltender in substitution of an eighth defender?

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12-11-2011, 05:08 AM
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no matter how you look at it, that's a sick roster

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12-11-2011, 06:26 AM
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Nash Crosby Stamkos
Perry Getzlaf Seguin
RNH. Toews Giroux
Richards Bergeron Benn
Hall
Tavares
I think Lucic could honestly make this team as a 4th liner if he didn't try being fancy, and just focused on playing his game.

Keith Weber
Letang Doughty
Staal Seabrook
Green
Burns

I don't know if I would trust Letang and Doughty as a pairing and the 3rd forward line would play as much as the 2nd line but I think this is close.


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12-11-2011, 10:12 AM
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since the olympics are in russia, i presume it will be played on the larger ice yeah?

that should affect who gets selected i think

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12-11-2011, 11:07 AM
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since the olympics are in russia, i presume it will be played on the larger ice yeah?

that should affect who gets selected i think
international rules so it should be

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12-11-2011, 12:37 PM
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Reimer over Price and Ward, classic.
whats more classic is that you mention Ward like he has a shot to make this team.... Not a chance....

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Tavares Crosby Perry
Nash Stamkos Giroux
Staal Getzlaf Duchene
Hall Thornton Sharp Extra forwards: Toews, Carter, J Staal

Weber Doughty
Keith Green
Letang Staal

Price
Fleury
Ward
Toews is fighting for the 13th forward spot?

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12-11-2011, 01:25 PM
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Since there are still two years to go there will be players that improve, are injured or get beat out for whatever reason. Lot's of time for guys to show their stuff.

It's going to be a dog fight for the forward positions. So many good players to pick from.

With regards to the defence I've looked at pretty much all the ones that have been listed and come up with an interesting fact. There are 10 right d and 4 left. If there's anyone I left out let me know and I'll add to the list. Note: listed in alpha order

Right D -10
Burns
Doughty
Green
Letang
Meyers
Pietrangelo
Seabrook
Schenn
Subban
Weber

Left D
Alzner
Keith
Phaneuf
Staal


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12-13-2011, 03:00 PM
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Not enough Patrice Bergeron... and why is Hall a lock for some people?

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Left Wing Centre Right Wing
Sidney Crosby Steven Stamkos Corey Perry
Rick Nash Eric Staal Jonathan Toews
Matt Duchene Ryan Getzlaf Jordan Eberle
Jamie Benn Jordan Staal Darren Helm
Claude Giroux 

Defence Defence
Shea Weber Drew Doughty
Duncan Keith Brent Seabrook
Kris Letang Michael Del Zotto
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Goalies:
Marc-Andre Fleury
Cam Ward
Roberto Luongo

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Steven Stamkos - Sidney Crosby - Corey Perry
Milan Lucic - Patrice Bergeron - Tyler Seguin
Evander Kane - Jonathan Toews - Claude Giroux
Taylor Hall - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Jordan Eberle
John Tavares

Drew Doughty - Duncan Keith
Shea Weber - Dion Phaneuf
Kris Letang - Alex Pietrangelo
P.K. Subban - Tyler Myers

Marc-Andre Fleury
Carey Price


Question:

According to Olympic rules, could a team, if it wished, forego taking a third goaltender in substitution of an eighth defender?
Probably not.

But they could obviously take one less forward.

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Forward Lines

Line I:

Steven Stamkos - Sidney Crosby (A) - Patrice Bergeron

Speed, finesse, power. This line is pretty much strong in all facets of the game and would be the undisputed #1 line for Canada. Bergeron would be the power that clears space while Crosby and Stamkos playmake off eachother opening up for big one-timers.

Line II:

Mike Richards - Jonathon Toews (A) - Rick Nash

I'd like you to meet the shutdown line of the 2010 olympics reunited to shutdown opposition once again in 2014. Not much else needs to be said. Huge hits and awesome goals. Toews is gonna be even better than he is now which is scary.

Line III:

Matt Duchene - Claude Giroux - Corey Perry

A similar line to the top line. A great combination of speed and power. Once again, Perry clears the space and does the dirty work to open up for the smooth hands of Giroux and Duchene. If Giroux continues at the pace he's at now, he's a shoe-in for the 2014 roster.

Line IV:

Taylor Hall - Ryan Getzlaf - Jarome Iginla (C)

Yes - I included Iginla, I think I'm the only one to do that. Honestly, I can see him still being a very good player in 2014. He will have a Niedermeyer-esque presence and will bring leadership to the team as well as a very solid game playing on the third or fourth line. I think he'd be the undisputed captain of the team and would create a very effective line with Getzlaf and Hall's overall power and skill.

Other options: Tyler Seguin, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Eric Staal, John Tavares, Jordan Eberle, Milan Lucic

Defensive Pairings

Pairing I:

Shea Weber - Kris Letang

Perfect balance of defense and offense for top pairing. And on top of Weber's outstanding defensive play, he has a bomb of a shot that's accurate. Throw in Letang's great abilities in both ends and you have one dangerous top pairing.

Pairing II:

Duncan Keith - Drew Doughty

A more offensive pairing - perhaps not the strongest defensive pair but still a very dangerous pair when on the offense. Solid defensively, albeit not as solid as the other two pairings. Both have experience in 2010 which will come as a big help.

Pairing III:

Tyler Myers - Luke Schenn

Sue me - I included Luke Schenn. I think he'll be very, very good by 2014. Anyways - reunite the pair that was so effective in their junior days in Kelowna to make one dangerous duo of a shutdown pairing. Won't bring much offense to the table but their defensive capabilities will be huge in shutting down offensive pairings.

Other options: PK Subban, Dion Phaneuf, Brent Seabrook, Mike Green, Alex Pietranagelo, Marc Staal

Goalies

Carey Price
Marc-André Fleury
Roberto Luongo

Luongo will be the third goalie and I doubt he'll play. It's pretty much between Price and Fleury.

Other options: Cam Ward, Jimmy Howard, James Reimer, Jonathan Bernier


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Left Wing Centre Right Wing
Sidney Crosby Steven Stamkos Corey Perry
Rick Nash Eric Staal Jonathan Toews
Matt Duchene Ryan Getzlaf Jordan Eberle
Jamie Benn Jordan Staal Darren Helm
Claude Giroux 

Defence Defence
Shea Weber Drew Doughty
Duncan Keith Brent Seabrook
Kris Letang Michael Del Zotto
Johnny Boychuk 

Goalies:
Marc-Andre Fleury
Cam Ward
Roberto Luongo
Even as a Bruins fan, I have to say: JOHNNY BOYCHUCK? The same Boychuk that plays for the Bruins?

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Since there are still two years to go there will be players that improve, are injured or get beat out for whatever reason. Lot's of time for guys to show their stuff.

It's going to be a dog fight for the forward positions. So many good players to pick from.

With regards to the defence I've looked at pretty much all the ones that have been listed and come up with an interesting fact. There are 10 right d and 4 left. If there's anyone I left out let me know and I'll add to the list. Note: listed in alpha order

Right D -10
Burns
Doughty
Green
Letang
Meyers
Pietrangelo
Seabrook
Schenn
Subban
Weber

Left D
Alzner
Keith
Phaneuf
Staal
Phaneuf plays Right D

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Not enough Patrice Bergeron... and why is Hall a lock for some people?
I'm wondering why Seguin is as well to be honest. And Bergeron? :laugh

All he did was take faceoffs in 2010.

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Other options: Cam Ward, Jimmy Howard, James Reimer, Jonathan Bernier
Howard is American.

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Since there are still two years to go there will be players that improve, are injured or get beat out for whatever reason. Lot's of time for guys to show their stuff.

It's going to be a dog fight for the forward positions. So many good players to pick from.

With regards to the defence I've looked at pretty much all the ones that have been listed and come up with an interesting fact. There are 10 right d and 4 left. If there's anyone I left out let me know and I'll add to the list. Note: listed in alpha order

Right D -10
Burns
Doughty
Green
Letang
Meyers
Pietrangelo
Seabrook
Schenn
Subban
Weber

Left D
Alzner
Keith
Phaneuf
Staal
Call me a homer but by 2014 I could see Jared Cowen pushing at the LD...and by push, I mean his name is relevant in the conversation.

There's certain to be guys no ones talking about that will emerge into the conversation over the next couple years...I'm starting to believe Cowen has a shot to be one of those players. I think he might get onto the WC team at the end of the year and I think he'll show very well.

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Guess I'll take a shot. I kind of throw forward positions out the window with this squad.

Rick Nash - Sidney Crosby - Jarome Iginla
Steven Stamkos - Claude Giroux - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Ryan Getzlaf - Joe Thornton - Corey Perry
Mike Richards - Ryan O'Reilly - Eric Staal

Considered; Taylor Hall, John Tavares, Tyler Seguin, Matt Duchene, Jordan Staal, a whole **** load of other forwards.

Chris Pronger - Shea Weber
Duncan Keith - Brent Seabrook
Tyler Myers - Drew Doughty
Kris Letang

Considered; PK Subban, Marc Staal, Alex Pietrangelo, Luke Schenn

Marc-Andre Fleury
Cam Ward
James Reimer


Most of these guys are on your lists so I guess I'll explain the ones that aren't the most popular choices. With Jarome Iginla and Chris Pronger, I'm not even sure if either of them will be playing; it seems like there's a good chance neither will be. But if they are, they have both been key pieces to Canadian hockey and if they're playing at anywhere near an all-star level, I think their veteran presence would be huge to such a young team. The same applies to Joe Thornton, except for the fact he'd only be around 35, with a skillset that ages nicely.

As for Ryan O'Reilly, he's the Patrice Bergeron of this team for me. A lot of you have Duchene, but O'Reilly encompasses everything you want in a hockey player. He's talented offensively, very good defensively and the most important thing to me is he absolutely works his ass off. The stories you hear in the news about the Avs are nuts, I believe at one point this year after a loss to the Blackhawks he actually ran stairs in the stadium as punishment for what he felt was a bad game. By the time the 2014 Olympics rolls around I'll be shocked if he's not considered the best two-way forward in the league.

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I think that whoevers in charge (could be Yzerman again) is going to throw everyone for a curveball. Aside from the locks, there's going to be a couple surprises.

In contrast to what Canada does, I see a lot of countries making big strides to compete in tournaments like the Olympics. A lot of European teams rely heavily on the skill aspect of the game and not so much about the grit.

My guess would be that the team ads guys like Brooks Laich, Brad Marchand, Milan Lucic, Scott Hartnall to have the aggitator role on the team. These type of guys make it hard to play against and I think atleast 1 "aggitator" will be added.

*I'm just giving examples of guys that are hard to play against and dont' feel that all of the players listed will make the team.


Nash - Crosby - Giroux
Duchene - Toews - M. Richards
Getzlaf - J. Thornton - Perry
Laich - Bergeron - Tavares


Letang - Weber
Doughty - Bouwmeester
Green - Keith

* The Bouwmeester selection also made me do a second take, but here's my explanation. He plays a ton of minutes for Calgary and doesn't get enough recognition for it. He's a horse on defense and i think compliments the style that Doughty plays. His skating is above average and can move the puck with capable forwards

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