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11-03-2011, 11:50 PM
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Smyth's Next Contract

I apologize if this has been talked about already amongst you oiler fans, but I am sitting here with some buddies who are EDM fans watching the game and I'm wondering what you guys think his next contract should be?

I personally would give the guy a 3 year 3 per contract to stay in EDM.

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11-04-2011, 12:00 AM
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It will be 1 year at a time because he is over 35.

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11-04-2011, 12:03 AM
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I'd give him 2 mil/yr for 2 years

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He deserves a decent amount based upon his play, but I hope he's okay with giving us a hometown discount so we can pay the kids/prospects properly.

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If it fits in the cap situation (and general finances I guess), I'm not against the idea of giving Smyth a series of 1 year contracts, with next year being a pretty substantial amount with a gentleman's agreement that he takes less subsequent years as he take a more depth role and we use the money for our upcoming RFAs.

I was ambivalent about Smyth coming here, but he's been great so far this season.

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I apologize if this has been talked about already amongst you oiler fans, but I am sitting here with some buddies who are EDM fans watching the game and I'm wondering what you guys think his next contract should be?

I personally would give the guy a 3 year 3 per contract to stay in EDM.
I predict they will give a 2 year contract at 4 Million.

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11-04-2011, 12:13 AM
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he may take a home-town discount, but he still should be rewarded for what he brings to the team. especially at this point when the cap is not yet a concern. for this reason, i think one-year deals make a lot of sense. sends a message that he still needs to earn his pay check. if not, a front-loaded short term contract is the best alternative.

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I'd give him 2 mil/yr for 2 years
He's a legit top 6 forward even at 35. he's easily worth 4 million. I'd go for as much as 4.5-5M provided it is a 1 year contract.

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2.5 per
That's a 3d line money in today's NHL.

top line--5M+
2nd line--3-5M
3d line-1.5-3M
4th line--500k-1.5M

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Umm.... next year we could pay him 4M if he keeps this good work up. I say keep him on 1 year deals and just see how things go from year to year.

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11-04-2011, 12:26 AM
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I'm fine giving him a little more now as long as he knows he'll get less later to stay on.....

next contract 2 years @ 4 Million per
final that 3 years @ 3 million total.

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I would throw him a retirement type deal, 4 years, 12 mill. 3 mill per year, would be fair.

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11-04-2011, 12:45 AM
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I would throw him a retirement type deal, 4 years, 12 mill. 3 mill per year, would be fair.
Way too long on the term.

2 years, 3.5 mill, Ryan, take it.

He got his big pay day already with his last contract.

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11-04-2011, 12:48 AM
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I would throw him a retirement type deal, 4 years, 12 mill. 3 mill per year, would be fair.
too much, unless it is front loaded. Smyth is 35, so one should be careful with a long term contract as that cap hit will stay regardless.
I'd give him more on a 1 year deal next season. Then keep re-signing him at a lesser amount.

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IMO it has to be one year deals. If players like Lidstrom and Sakic get them, Smyth should be fine for it too.

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too much, unless it is front loaded. Smyth is 35, so one should be careful with a long term contract as that cap hit will stay regardless.
I'd give him more on a 1 year deal next season. Then keep re-signing him at a lesser amount.
Alfredsson is 38 and still playing well. How old are Teemu and Jaromir? I wouldnt be to scared to give him a 2-3 year contract at 3.5 mil per. I doubt he retires before he's 38.

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11-04-2011, 12:58 AM
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It would be a slap in the face if the oilers offered Smyth a one year deal. He'd sign in Calgary imo.


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IMO it has to be one year deals. If players like Lidstrom and Sakic get them, Smyth should be fine for it too.
Lidstrom got a long term deal at 35. Hell Ian Laperriere got a long term deal at 35.

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It would be a slap in the face if the oilers offered Smyth a one year deal. He'd sign in Calgary imo.


Lidstrom got a long term deal at 35. Hell Ian Laperriere got a long term deal at 35.
How so? He's turning 36 in February and the Oilers have a ****load of kids to sign the year after.

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Alfredsson is 38 and still playing well. How old are Teemu and Jaromir? I wouldnt be to scared to give him a 2-3 year contract at 3.5 mil per. I doubt he retires before he's 38.
Those players are in a different class and play a very different style. I hope Smyth stays, but I hope he also does not ask for the moon in terms of length and the amount of his next contract. I don't have too much problem with a 2 year deal. 3-4 year deal is a bit more worrisome.

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11-04-2011, 01:15 AM
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6 years, 6,3,1,1,1,1

2.16 per, seems pretty workable to me. Gives him a chance to win a couple cups maybe.

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It would be a slap in the face if the oilers offered Smyth a one year deal. He'd sign in Calgary imo.


Lidstrom got a long term deal at 35. Hell Ian Laperriere got a long term deal at 35.
Lidstrom signed a two year deal in 2006 (age 36), followed by another 2 year deal, then a one year deal, then a one year deal.

Laperriere did sign a 3 year contract at 35 (I suppose that's long term...). At roughly 1.18 million per year...

Although if your point was simply to illustrate that I was wrong, I'll concede I was.

The big advantage of breaking it into one year deals is you can basically give Smyth 5 million next season, and then 2 million the next two, and only have to worry about a $2 million cap hit instead of a $3 million cap hit for him.


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6 years, 6,3,1,1,1,1
Minor quibble, but year 3 would need to be for 1.5 million. Having said that, I still don't take a flyer like that on a player that cannot have his cap hit mitigated in any way.

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6 years, 6,3,1,1,1,1

2.16 per, seems pretty workable to me. Gives him a chance to win a couple cups maybe.
Not necessarily a bad idea but I don't think the league would go for it. Smytty also doesn't have six years left in the tank and that doesn't come off the cap after he retires.

Give him a sweet paycheck on a one-year next year to keep him happy and significantly less after that. I don't see why either side would have an issue with that.

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There are all sorts of ways they can make it work without handcuffing the team. They can give him more than his worth next season, when they have cap space with a promise to re-sign him the year after at a smaller hit, but with more years and NMC.

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He wants to be involved, 3 year deal for whatever, front loaded so when the kids contracts come up they can get what they deserve.

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