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11-04-2011, 12:24 AM
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Any one think we hear about a closed door team meeting soon ? I can't imagine Dean being happy with that effort. It was putrid.

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11-04-2011, 12:24 AM
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Shots on goal stats for the Kings' forwards tonight:

Anze Kopitar - 0
Simon Gagne - 1
Justin Williams - 0

Mike Richards - 1
Dustin Brown - 1
Scott Parse - 0

Jarret Stoll - 1
Dustin Penner - 3
Brad Richardson - 0

Trevor Lewis - 1
Kyle Clifford - 0
Ethan Moreau - 3

The Kings' bottom lines outshot the top two lines. The defense combined for 8 shots on goal.

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11-04-2011, 12:25 AM
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Aaaaaand the Sharks just won. After going down by 2 goals in the first 3 minutes. That's what a motivated, well-coached team does.

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11-04-2011, 12:25 AM
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What do they do? They're not shutting anyone down or scoring. That is a very xpensive line stinker.
So they are terrible because they are overpaid?

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11-04-2011, 12:25 AM
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I said top 9. I didn't say anything about 1st 2nd or 3rd lines. We have very good forwards. That is a fact!

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11-04-2011, 12:25 AM
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Shots on goal stats for the Kings' forwards tonight:

Anze Kopitar - 0
Simon Gagne - 1
Justin Williams - 0

Mike Richards - 1
Dustin Brown - 1
Scott Parse - 0

Jarret Stoll - 1
Dustin Penner - 3
Brad Richardson - 0

Trevor Lewis - 1
Kyle Clifford - 0
Ethan Moreau - 3

The Kings' bottom lines outshot the top two lines. The defense combined for 8 shots on goal.
That is a problem. There is no reason what so ever for that shot output.

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11-04-2011, 12:25 AM
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As a response to this, Kings17: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=3...&postcount=631

DT still fired AM during his last season. TM would wait until the end of the season. And AM never had teams with expectations this high.

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11-04-2011, 12:26 AM
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Stoll Penner and Richardson???

Not many teams have a better 3rd line....

I guess it depends on what you expect them to do...
Depends which Penner you get....and Stoll is looking to be a product of his teammates the last few years.

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11-04-2011, 12:26 AM
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I don't think a guy like Brownie's given up on TM but I do think someone like DD may have or at the very least not too thrilled with TM's style of coaching.
Maybe, but if DD has given up on a coach 3 years into the league, he can go screw himself, sorry, he is not the next Bobby Orr, not yet, not for a long while, hell right now he's not even the best on his team.

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11-04-2011, 12:27 AM
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Shots on goal stats for the Kings' forwards tonight:

Anze Kopitar - 0
Simon Gagne - 1
Justin Williams - 0

Mike Richards - 1
Dustin Brown - 1
Scott Parse - 0

Jarret Stoll - 1
Dustin Penner - 3
Brad Richardson - 0

Trevor Lewis - 1
Kyle Clifford - 0
Ethan Moreau - 3

The Kings' bottom lines outshot the top two lines. The defense combined for 8 shots on goal.
That's on goal, how many shots direct towards the goal that were blocked? I would say nearly 20, if not more, if you count the deflections off of skates etc.

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11-04-2011, 12:28 AM
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Games like these makes me appreciate the long layoffs the Kings have in their schedule. Terry Murray and the Kings can talk about "shot mentality" and "need to improve at even strength" but all that talk is pointless if you fail to execute.

They couldn't even connect with passes tonight. How are they going to expect to do anything when they can't connect with a tape to tape pass?
Blame TM? Look I'm not saying Terry Murray is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but to blame a game like tonight on coaching is just not that bright.

Early on the defensemen were active which is exactly what was needed. As the game went on the players decided to go into sleep mode. You can blame the coach for failing to motivate the players, but don't blame "the system" for tonight's loss.


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Stoll Penner and Richardson???

Not many teams have a better 3rd line....

I guess it depends on what you expect them to do...
Game is played on the ice; not on paper.

Glad I watched that on a crappy stream at a Best Western instead of in person.

The lack of passion is my biggest gripe with the team so far. Once you leave the off-season fantasies behind, this team is pretty boring.

Passion. Need more Rod Stewart and less Jarett Stoll.

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11-04-2011, 12:30 AM
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That's on goal, how many shots direct towards the goal that were blocked? I would say nearly 20, if not more, if you count the deflections off of skates etc.
And that's why shot mentality is such a stupid offensive system. It relies on luck to work. The Kings have to get lucky and have the shots bounce in their favor for it to lead to goals a majority of the time. Luck is unpredictable. Relying on luck is a major reason why the Kings have been a terrible 5-on-5 team with Murray as the head coach, even when the talent level is noticeably better this season.

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11-04-2011, 12:31 AM
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remember that thread about trades putting us over the top......

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11-04-2011, 12:32 AM
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Cannot believe I paid and drove down to see this game

Kopitar's worst game as a King

Props to Khabibulin and the Oilers for blocking a ton of shots but I really can't give them too much credit

Just a totally uninspired effort

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11-04-2011, 12:32 AM
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And that's why shot mentality is such a stupid offensive system. It relies on luck to work. The Kings have to get lucky and have the shots bounce in their favor for it to lead to goals a majority of the time. Luck is unpredictable. Relying on luck is a major reason why the Kings have been a terrible 5-on-5 team with Murray as the head coach, even when the talent level is noticeably better this season.
Sorry, if you think shot mentality relies on luck, you really haven't been around the game long enough.

No nice way to say that to be honest.

Shot mentality is to hockey what pot odds are to poker, it's all about percentages.

Shot mentality is not firing everything on net ffs, it's working to achieve the best percentage shot you can, it's that simple.

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That's on goal, how many shots direct towards the goal that were blocked? I would say nearly 20, if not more, if you count the deflections off of skates etc.
It's still unacceptable. As the top six forwards, they have to apply pressure towards the opposing goalie. If shots are not making it on net, then they aren't getting the job done.

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Agreed.
I would love to have AM instead of TM especially with a young team... Bring on the critics but AM got results with brutal teams. TM has the best team in almost 20 years and we get the same old... Disappointing as a fan.

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Blaming the coach for tonight's loss is a total cop out

I can't name a player who earned their paycheck tonight, systems and shot mentality aside

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11-04-2011, 12:34 AM
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It's still unacceptable. As the top six forwards, they have to apply pressure towards the opposing goalie. If shots are not making it on net, then they aren't getting the job done.
Absolutely, never said it was acceptable,

But EDM is the #1 defense in the league for a reason, and it's not their goaltending.

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So they are terrible because they are overpaid?
I'll say it again, they don't shut anyone down and they don't score.

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11-04-2011, 12:36 AM
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I wouldn't classify that as zero effort, the problem was the Kings couldn't adjust to how EDM was playing, they were lost out there, running into each other.
That right there is a major issue. If a tv analyst can point out that the team never made the adjustment to the Oilers defense and make their defense work, a coach should see this too.Unfortunately our coach has blinders on.

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Cannot believe I paid and drove down to see this game

Kopitar's worst game as a King

Props to Khabibulin and the Oilers for blocking a ton of shots but I really can't give them too much credit

Just a totally uninspired effort
The worst part is it came after a few days off and having had some SOLID PRACTICE TIME.

That is a total coaching Failure. You can't hide from a pis% poor effort like that. When your team has had time off and PRACTICE.

There is no excuse for that.

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Blaming the coach for tonight's loss is a total cop out

I can't name a player who earned their paycheck tonight, systems and shot mentality aside
well can we blame the coach for 16 goals in 12 games.

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Blaming the coach for tonight's loss is a total cop out

I can't name a player who earned their paycheck tonight, systems and shot mentality aside
But it is the Coaches Responsibility to have them Ready to play.... You have to hold them accountable for that Josh....

I Coach JR College Baseball. If my team came out with an effort like that; After a couple days off and Practice. I would be in the AD's office Explaining why I still have a job.

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