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05-14-2012, 02:55 PM
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Bogosian/Enstrom to Philadelphia

Something like Read/Simmonds+1st or JVR/Schenn+a decent prospect? I know Winnipeg needs centers more than they need wings, but the Flyers would be reluctant to give up Schenn.

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Enstrom could be had, doubt bogo could though

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You aren't getting Bogosian unless Couturier/Schenn is coming back at least.

Enstrom would be less expensive.

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Something like Read/Simmonds+1st or JVR/Schenn+a decent prospect? I know Winnipeg needs centers more than they need wings, but the Flyers would be reluctant to give up Schenn.
Something around Enstrom could possibly work. I like the Simmonds + 1st 2012 deal.

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Bogo is a nogo.

Toby we can work with.

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That pick is #20?

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We're in need of right wingers as well.

Already been said but Enstrom would probably come a lot cheaper than Bogo.

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The value of Enstrom depends on whether he'll resign after next year. I personally think the Jets should take either deal and run, but thats just me. Bogo is unavailable though, think couturier level...

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Simmonds + 1st for Enstrom i would be all over that for sure

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The value of Enstrom depends on whether he'll resign after next year. I personally think the Jets should take either deal and run, but thats just me. Bogo is unavailable though, think couturier level...
No interest in Enstrom--at least not while Timonen is still under contract.

I don't know if I (as a Flyers fan) would back this, but strictly on value:

Schenn + 2012 1st (20th) for Bogosian + 2012 2nd (39th)


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That's prolly close in terms of actual value, but I doubt the Jets would do it. I'm personally not a fan of it, because I think We need Bogo more then Schenn.

But as I said, in terms of actual value...it's close.

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Bogo is a stud but you guys have some solid depth on the blue line and a decently high first round pick. Flyers would certainly rather a bogo caliber player but will probably over pay to keep giroux(Obviously) schenn and couturier out of it.

Something like
JVR
Simmonds or Read
1st rounder.

Just remember that chris pronger netter a mid-level forward, a stud prospect, and two first rounders. Value isnt always what it seems

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Bogo is a stud but you guys have some solid depth on the blue line and a decently high first round pick. Flyers would certainly rather a bogo caliber player but will probably over pay to keep giroux(Obviously) schenn and couturier out of it.

Something like
JVR
Simmonds or Read
1st rounder.

Just remember that chris pronger netter a mid-level forward, a stud prospect, and two first rounders. Value isnt always what it seems
Unless a young center of Bogosian's caliber and then some comes back, Winnipeg has no reason to trade Bogo for more wingers, so stop offering them.

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Bogo is a stud but you guys have some solid depth on the blue line and a decently high first round pick. Flyers would certainly rather a bogo caliber player but will probably over pay to keep giroux(Obviously) schenn and couturier out of it.

Something like
JVR
Simmonds or Read
1st rounder.

Just remember that chris pronger netter a mid-level forward, a stud prospect, and two first rounders. Value isnt always what it seems
Game has changed since that trade in terms of value. Youth is infinitely more valuable now, and being on a cheap deal makes it even higher.

Before you try and propose a trade for Bogo while keeping Schenn and Couturier off the table, ask yourself if you would be willing to send either of those two guys to Winnipeg if Bogo and Kane were off the table because that is how Winnipeg will feel about the deal...

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Like others have said, can't see Bogosian being available.

Enstrom might be, but that mostly depends on Jets management meeting with Enstrom and his agent to understand where Enstrom stands on an extension, or if he wants to become a UFA.

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Game has changed since that trade in terms of value. Youth is infinitely more valuable now, and being on a cheap deal makes it even higher.

Before you try and propose a trade for Bogo while keeping Schenn and Couturier off the table, ask yourself if you would be willing to send either of those two guys to Winnipeg if Bogo and Kane were off the table because that is how Winnipeg will feel about the deal...
That's a bit silly.

Take the equivalent deal structure:

Schiefle / Burmistrov
Cormier / B prospect
2012 1st

for Schenn

Of course the Flyers say yes. Easily.

That said, I don't think the JVR / Simmonds deal makes as much sense for either side. Winnipeg's need is at center, and Schenn could be expendable in the right deal...

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Simmonds + 1st for Enstrom i would be all over that for sure
Enstrom being on a 1-year deal really lowers his value to me. If I can negotiate with him before trading, that would change things.

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Bogo is a stud but you guys have some solid depth on the blue line and a decently high first round pick. Flyers would certainly rather a bogo caliber player but will probably over pay to keep giroux(Obviously) schenn and couturier out of it.

Something like
JVR
Simmonds or Read
1st rounder.

Just remember that chris pronger netter a mid-level forward, a stud prospect, and two first rounders. Value isnt always what it seems
Yeah, have you been reading what Jets have been saying? They would need an equal caliber center+ in return.

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Enstrom being on a 1-year deal really lowers his value to me. If I can negotiate with him before trading, that would change things.
Understandable. However, a signed Enstrom might actually be worth more though as well.

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Something like Read/Simmonds+1st or JVR/Schenn+a decent prospect? I know Winnipeg needs centers more than they need wings, but the Flyers would be reluctant to give up Schenn.
I love Enstrom, but if Schenn and a prospect like Kessel were coming back, I would do it.

Really though, there's no way the Flyers would trade Schenn.

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No interest in Enstrom--at least not while Timonen is still under contract.
Enstrom has 1 year left, as does Timonen. Enstrom has a great cap hit 3.75. Would make things tight (unless Pronger isn't coming back), but not impossible.

Personally I don't think the Flyer's D need major pieces as they have a solid top 4 (even without Pronger) in Mez, Coburn, Grossmann & Timonen. Find a couple of decent 3rd pairing guys (or your rookies) and either wait for the trade deadline or for Pronger to be healthy, or for Timo to retire.

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Something like Read/Simmonds+1st or JVR/Schenn+a decent prospect? I know Winnipeg needs centers more than they need wings, but the Flyers would be reluctant to give up Schenn.
You won't get Bogo, period.

Schenn & Simmonds for Enstrom.

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You won't get Bogo, period.

Schenn & Simmonds for Enstrom.
Yeah. No. That can't be a serious proposal.

One year of Enstrom =/= Mike Richards.

Enstrom is a one-year rental. I don't think he's the kind of defenseman that the Flyers are targeting, and I honestly have no idea why people keep coming up with proposals for him.

Keeping Bogosian probably makes sense for the Jets. But there's no reason for the Flyers to move significant assets for a player like Enstrom given their current roster structure, and his contract status.

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Understandable. However, a signed Enstrom might actually be worth more though as well.
Yeah, I understand. I'd be willing to trade more if I knew I had a quality cost controlled defenseman.

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