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09-08-2004, 03:12 PM
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Canes put D Bruno St. Jacques, D Allan Rourke and C Mike Zigomanis on Waivers

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/h...-7824064c.html

Well out of this group, I think we can use some skill down the middle. Since we did not sign Umberger, we are thin down the middle. My bet is Zigomanis will be picked, not saying by us, but he has talent to play in the NHL. He would prolly thrive on a rebuilding team like Rangers or a team like Jackets or Pens. I hope we pick him.


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It would not surprise me, we have been picking up Carolina's sloppy seconds recently - Jeff Hereema, Kevin Weekes...

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When was he resigned? I remember the last time we talked about Zigo, he had rejected the Canes 1 year offer.

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When was he resigned? I remember the last time we talked about Zigo, he had rejected the Canes 1 year offer.
The 19th of August

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When was he resigned? I remember the last time we talked about Zigo, he had rejected the Canes 1 year offer.
he resigned about a few weeks ago or something.

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It would not surprise me, we have been picking up Carolina's sloppy seconds recently - Jeff Hereema, Kevin Weekes...
I wonder what it would take to get Oneil'l out of Carolina.


How about this?

Canes- Poti, Lundmark and D.Moore
Rangers - Oneill and Boulerice

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I'd need to know the terms of that deal before I could gauge my interest. I believe he was looking for $1.5per. That's a lot of cake for someone who's apparently drawn a lot less interest than players we've already passed on, such as Umberger.

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I wonder what it would take to get Oneil'l out of Carolina.


How about this?

Canes- Poti, Lundmark and D.Moore
Rangers - Oneill and Boulerice
nyr should not trade any youth unless necessary, sign vets keep our youth and let them mature, its not like nyr is on a spending spree of vets its only maybe one or 2 more they will sign so why give up youth when we could sign someone as an example selanne(lw) kariya(lw) there is also maccamond and others, oneill will be just as expensive and we lose no youth with signings of others.

how about no, from a nyr side and a canes side, but now that those guys were waived how about nyr picks up st,jaques and zigomanis,nyr still needs a center and zigo could hopefully do some goos fillin with second line duty with avet on the left and balej on the right with lundmark gtetting lw time with jagr and nylander.

and with jaques he supposably has a high ceiling its a no loss situation, pick these kids up and lets see what they got maybe carolina wasnt the place for them, bot zigo and st,j have very good potential and if they do pan out could be graet situation for nyr, nyr has nothing to lose. all it is is adding 2 more young prospects with good upsides its definitly worth the shot.

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I'd need to know the terms of that deal before I could gauge my interest. I believe he was looking for $1.5per. That's a lot of cake for someone who's apparently drawn a lot less interest than players we've already passed on, such as Umberger.
Well he signed for a whole lot less...400k

http://www.nhlpa.com/Content/THE_PLA...io.asp?ID=7207

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I would have some interest in St.Jaques.

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I would have some interest in St.Jaques.

I wish these guys were from Edmonton, then u know Sather has intrest. You know Sather loves guys that can skate. And he also likes young waiver material: Rico Fata. Maybe Sather will pick these guys since they are young and maybe than can turn into something for us.

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I would take Bruno St.Jaques in a heartbeat. The guy is young and he has nice size. Zigo wouldnt be a bad pickup either.

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I would take Bruno St.Jaques in a heartbeat. The guy is young and he has nice size. Zigo wouldnt be a bad pickup either.

Lets hope within the next few days we will hear this:

President and General Manager Glen Sather announces that the club has claimed D Bruno St. Jacques and C Mike Zigomanis off waivers from the Carolina Hurricanes. That would be awesome.

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The NHL and NHL Players' Association have resolved the issue of which NHL players can be assigned to the American Hockey League during a lockout, Carolina general manager Jim Rutherford said Tuesday, with younger players eligible to go to the AHL and older, waiver-eligible players required to clear waivers first.
I knew that the owners were talking about this, but this is the first I've heard of it being resolved. What younger players do we have that are waiver-eligible? Lundmark and Betts? Is there anyone else?

This also adds a new wrinkle to possible waiver claims. If a team claims a player on waivers, he cannot play in the AHL during a lockout. That should stop some teams from claiming younger players. It's possible that Sather uses this to try to sneak Lundmark through waivers.

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St.Jaques is a no brainer big size plays wing and efense and is a legit fighter who is fearless and knows his role please Dark Sather grab this kid

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I knew that the owners were talking about this, but this is the first I've heard of it being resolved. What younger players do we have that are waiver-eligible? Lundmark and Betts? Is there anyone else?

This also adds a new wrinkle to possible waiver claims. If a team claims a player on waivers, he cannot play in the AHL during a lockout. That should stop some teams from claiming younger players. It's possible that Sather uses this to try to sneak Lundmark through waivers.
betts has only played 35 nhl games, so he doesn't need waivers yet...as far as i know lundmark is the only kid that would need to clear waiver to go down...

as far as your 2nd point about teams not claiming guys because they wouldn't be able to play in the AHL...its possible that all the teams will argee to let each other's prospects clear waivers so they can play in the ahl. but unless there is an argeement to not claim anyone then i don't think this will scare teams if certain players become available...it might prevent a team from putting a claim on lesser prospects but if for example columbus tried to slip rick nash thru waivers, nash would be instantly claimed by 29 other teams and the team that gets him would gladly deal with the problem of finding somewhere for him to play once they get him for nothing...

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betts has only played 35 nhl games, so he doesn't need waivers yet...as far as i know lundmark is the only kid that would need to clear waiver to go down...

as far as your 2nd point about teams not claiming guys because they wouldn't be able to play in the AHL...its possible that all the teams will argee to let each other's prospects clear waivers so they can play in the ahl. but unless there is an argeement to not claim anyone then i don't think this will scare teams if certain players become available...it might prevent a team from putting a claim on lesser prospects but if for example columbus tried to slip rick nash thru waivers, nash would be instantly claimed by 29 other teams and the team that gets him would gladly deal with the problem of finding somewhere for him to play once they get him for nothing...
Betts is 24 years old and played 35 nhl games throughout 3 seasons and he was hurt most of the time, so I think he has to clear waivers.

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Actually as a 24 year old he has to have played in 60 games...so he can be sent down without clearing waivers.

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betts has only played 35 nhl games, so he doesn't need waivers yet...as far as i know lundmark is the only kid that would need to clear waiver to go down...

as far as your 2nd point about teams not claiming guys because they wouldn't be able to play in the AHL...its possible that all the teams will argee to let each other's prospects clear waivers so they can play in the ahl. but unless there is an argeement to not claim anyone then i don't think this will scare teams if certain players become available...it might prevent a team from putting a claim on lesser prospects but if for example columbus tried to slip rick nash thru waivers, nash would be instantly claimed by 29 other teams and the team that gets him would gladly deal with the problem of finding somewhere for him to play once they get him for nothing...
Rick Nash is an entirely different matter. He's established himself as a bonafide NHL player. The players that this will affect are the prospects that haven't really earned a roster spot yet but have enough experience to need to clear waivers. The fact that Zigomanis would have to sit on the shelf during the lockout would make most GMs think twice (hell, the fact that they would have to keep him on the NHL roster would make them think twice about Zigomanis). The same holds true for Lundmark. Will he be waived? I don't know about that. Lundmark holds a much higher upside than Zigomanis, and I wouldn't be so sure that a team that lacks young scoring forwards might gamble on a short lockout and take a chance on him.

As for St. Jacques, I would have liked him, if we didn't pick up Grenier and Strudwick while re-signing Purinton. How many of these types do we need?

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Will he be waived? I don't know about that. Lundmark holds a much higher upside than Zigomanis, and I wouldn't be so sure that a team that lacks young scoring forwards might gamble on a short lockout and take a chance on him
In an uncertain financial landscape though, Lundmark @ $1.1M is a pretty big gamble. If Sather sees less expensive playerrs slipping through, one could rationalize it as being a risk worth talking.

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MMMMMMMMmmmmmmm.. Coquille St. Jacques...

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It would not surprise me, we have been picking up Carolina's sloppy seconds recently - Jeff Hereema, Kevin Weekes...
Hereema's now a Canuck.

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St. Jaques isn't a fighter.

I do believe he can become a goold solid NHL defenseman. Not much offense, very good body checker.

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St. Jaques isn't a fighter.

I do believe he can become a goold solid NHL defenseman. Not much offense, very good body checker.
Something Dale Purinton was supposed to be. Circa first half of 2002.

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Something Dale Purinton was supposed to be. Circa first half of 2002.

I've seen St. Jaques play 20 plus times, he's a much better player than Purinton will ever be. He won't provide the toughness that dale will however. Bodychecks yes, dropping the gloves .... rarely.

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