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06-14-2012, 11:36 PM
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I really don't see Maloney trading the future captain of the team. Yandle is just Datsyuk important to us.

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Yeah, may not be something everyone is for, but it picks up a proven 20+ goal scorer who will likely hover between 55-65 points. Niskanen started his career with Tippett in Dallas, so we'd know what we are getting. The pick would have to be pretty enticing, but now we'd have upgraded LW and Doan can either move back to RW, or it gives us something in return if we can't bring Whitney back. Still leaves us some room to add a RW or C that fits the mold of the team, as well. Kunitz is good on the PP, which is a big draw...

I'm a bigger fan of 2-for-1 types of deals, where we can get a solid vet and maybe a player with upside. Not everyone will agree with it though.
I'm a big fan of getting the best player in the deal and unless it's a glorious overpayment like the Flyers gave for Lindros. Otherwise I think more often than not you lose when you don't get the best player.

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06-18-2012, 11:40 AM
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Some mock drafts.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=8...id=DL|PHX|home
27 PHOENIX COYOTES
SCOTT LAUGHTON, C, OSHAWA (OHL)

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
Pontus Aberg
Ht/Wt:5'11"/187 lbs
Position:LW
Team: Djurgardens (Swe)

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...blogger_id=155
27. Phoenix Coyotes select Center Brendan Gaunce Belleville Bulls (OHL) 94/03/25 (18 years old) – 68GP – 28G – 40A – 68P

http://*******************/articles/...y-draft/page/2
27. Phoenix Coyotes: Tanner Pearson
LW - Barrie Colts (OHL) - 6'0" - 195

http://thehockeywriters.com/a-june-2012-nhl-mock-draft/
27. Tomas Hertl F (Slavia) (Czech Republic)

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nh...218/mock-draft
Coyotes Michael Matheson

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2012/
27 Phoenix Sebastian Collberg RW Frolunda HC (SEL) 5' 11" 174

http://www.nhlmockdraft.org/2012-nhl...final-edition/
27.) Phoenix Coyotes – Tomαš Hertl, C, Slavia Praha (Czech Extraliga)

http://thehockeywriters.com/2012-nhl...draft-madness/
27th Phoenix Coyotes – Stefan Matteau, LW (USNTDP, USHL)

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06-18-2012, 11:49 AM
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Some mock drafts.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=8...id=DL|PHX|home
27 PHOENIX COYOTES
SCOTT LAUGHTON, C, OSHAWA (OHL)

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
Pontus Aberg
Ht/Wt:5'11"/187 lbs
Position:LW
Team: Djurgardens (Swe)

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...blogger_id=155
27. Phoenix Coyotes select Center Brendan Gaunce Belleville Bulls (OHL) 94/03/25 (18 years old) – 68GP – 28G – 40A – 68P

http://*******************/articles/...y-draft/page/2
27. Phoenix Coyotes: Tanner Pearson
LW - Barrie Colts (OHL) - 6'0" - 195

http://thehockeywriters.com/a-june-2012-nhl-mock-draft/
27. Tomas Hertl F (Slavia) (Czech Republic)

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nh...218/mock-draft
Coyotes Michael Matheson

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2012/
27 Phoenix Sebastian Collberg RW Frolunda HC (SEL) 5' 11" 174

http://www.nhlmockdraft.org/2012-nhl...final-edition/
27.) Phoenix Coyotes – TomᚠHertl, C, Slavia Praha (Czech Extraliga)

http://thehockeywriters.com/2012-nhl...draft-madness/
27th Phoenix Coyotes – Stefan Matteau, LW (USNTDP, USHL)
I'd be very, very happy about Collberg, Aberg, or Hertl. Gaunce and Laughton would be fine, too, but I wouldn't do back flips over either. Matteau would be just okay, and then Matheson or Pearson would make me kind of upset.

Also, hbk, I'll have my rankings up soon, I think, as well as some rebuttals to yours.

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06-18-2012, 12:00 PM
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I ended up taking Thrower in the mock I'm participating in now. Hertl and Samuelsson went the two picks before me. Kerdiles and Di Guisseppe were both gone, too. Matteau, Wilson, Bozon and Laughton were still on the board. It really came down to either Laughton or Thrower. I can't see Laughton being a second liner but I can see Thrower being a second pairing D. Higher value in the end I guess. He's always criticized for being small. He's 5'11 and 3/4 inch and weighs 200lbs. Those are the official combine stats. Despite his good size, he looks like he has a lot of room to get much stronger, based on an interview I saw of him at the combine. I could see him being a 6'0, 210lb wrecking ball. Being a RHD with dangerous offensive talent (at least at the amateur level), having a penchant for throwing huge, highlight reel open ice hits, and being a willing and talented fighter, makes for a guy who might have a whole lot of trade value some day. That or a guy who makes someone else expendible. Anyway, both he and Murphy are at least two or three years from the bigs, anyway. I really didn't want a D, but I had to go with Thrower because Laughton just seemed a little too safe.
I should get to make my second pick today. I will likely take one of Scott Kosmachuk, Mike Winther, Dane Fox, Seth Griffith, Andreas Athanasiou, Coda Gordon, or Charles Hudon.

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06-18-2012, 01:38 PM
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I should get to make my second pick today. I will likely take one of Scott Kosmachuk, Mike Winther, Dane Fox, Seth Griffith, Andreas Athanasiou, Coda Gordon, or Charles Hudon.
I was surprised to see that Winther isn't as small as I had thought. At the combine he was 6'0 172 lbs. If he can put on a bit of weight and keep up his scoring he could be a player in a few years.

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06-18-2012, 02:12 PM
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I was surprised to see that Winther isn't as small as I had thought. At the combine he was 6'0 172 lbs. If he can put on a bit of weight and keep up his scoring he could be a player in a few years.
Winther apparently benched the most out of any of the kids at the combine, so he's definitely not a Turris. My 122lb grandmother could bench more than Turris in his draft year.

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06-18-2012, 02:16 PM
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Winther apparently benched the most out of any of the kids at the combine, so he's definitely not a Turris. My 122lb grandmother could bench more than Turris in his draft year.
Winther had the best bench pound for pound, not overall. Either way, he looks like a great prospect.

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06-18-2012, 05:40 PM
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Should a trade not materialize, Maloney said the Coyotes have identified three or four forwards they believe will be available with the 27th pick. However, if Maloney and the scouting staff - led by first-year Director of Amateur Scouting Rick Knickle - feel a high-quality blueliner still is waiting to be drafted at No. 27, they would consider selecting a defenseman in the first round for the fourth year in a row.
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My take-away is that we are taking a forward, unless we get a Fowler/Gormley-esque fall.

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06-18-2012, 06:49 PM
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Id take Winther. He's a favorite of mine in this draft. Unfortunately he looks like a reach at 27, and looks to be gone by 58.

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06-18-2012, 08:03 PM
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I'd be very, very happy about Collberg, Aberg, or Hertl. Gaunce and Laughton would be fine, too, but I wouldn't do back flips over either. Matteau would be just okay, and then Matheson or Pearson would make me kind of upset.

Also, hbk, I'll have my rankings up soon, I think, as well as some rebuttals to yours.
Agree with all this. Collberg or Aberg Are my top 2 choices though.

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Any interest in another draft day chat room? I always enjoy watching your guys reactions

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06-18-2012, 09:36 PM
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I don't think I'll be able to watch the draft this year. In my mind, this would be the year to miss it as a Coyotes fan, unless there is a trade, and there have been very few of those recently at the draft.

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Absolutely. Care to post the annual reminder on how to actually get there?

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Agree with all this. Collberg or Aberg Are my top 2 choices though.
I'd take him if he's there at 27, but I'm a bit more bearish on Aberg than I was a few weeks ago. Whereas guys like Frk and even Galchenyuk showed a bit of a resurgence after they returned from their injuries, Aberg seems to have really taken a step back. Can anyone point to any post-injury signs of life for him?

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Absolutely. Care to post the annual reminder on how to actually get there?
Try http://cbe003.chat.mibbit.com/?chann...=irc.rizon.net

You can also join #hockeysfuture for the main chat, though its mostly quiet.

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I see the official Coyotes Draft Party is @ 18 Degrees in the Ice Den. Are there any draft parties/gatherings on the west side? I wouldn't mind meeting up with some people.

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I went with Gemel Smith in the 2nd. Fox, Hudon, Griffith, Athanasiou, and Gordon were on the board. It was a tough call. Fox's off ice issues, Hudon's inconsistency, Griffith's over ager status, Athanasiou's one trick pony routine, and Coda Gordon's likelyhood of being able to translate scared me off of those players. Gemel Smith seems to have a single weakness, and thats size. He's already had a recent growth spurt which got him to five eleven. That's likely it for him. He jumped from 140-150 to like 160-170 and he seemes to have room to add more. He seems to have just about every other thing you could ask for. Flew under the radar for being 5'9 150 a yearish ago. Burst onto the scene now with his increased size and highly entertaining style. Probably the ultimate character player in the draft. His story makes for a great read if you've got time.

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Vest interviewing Maloney mostly about draft day, also touches on the free agents:

http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

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I won't be watching the draft (which I'm bummed about), but here are a few storylines I'm glad I won't have to listen to:

-It's been 15 years since the last draft was held in Pittsburgh! Who cares? There are 30 possible destinations for the draft, 15 years really isn't that long. Joe Thornton is only 32. I understand why Phoenix can't host (uncertainty), but there are places that have waited longer than Pittsburgh.

-A Canadian forward won't be picked until after 15! I can sleep tonight knowing that Canada will still produce world-class players.

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Some mock drafts.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=8...id=DL|PHX|home
27 PHOENIX COYOTES
SCOTT LAUGHTON, C, OSHAWA (OHL)

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
Pontus Aberg
Ht/Wt:5'11"/187 lbs
Position:LW
Team: Djurgardens (Swe)

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...blogger_id=155
27. Phoenix Coyotes select Center Brendan Gaunce Belleville Bulls (OHL) 94/03/25 (18 years old) – 68GP – 28G – 40A – 68P

http://*******************/articles/...y-draft/page/2
27. Phoenix Coyotes: Tanner Pearson
LW - Barrie Colts (OHL) - 6'0" - 195

http://thehockeywriters.com/a-june-2012-nhl-mock-draft/
27. Tomas Hertl F (Slavia) (Czech Republic)

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nh...218/mock-draft
Coyotes Michael Matheson

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2012/
27 Phoenix Sebastian Collberg RW Frolunda HC (SEL) 5' 11" 174

http://www.nhlmockdraft.org/2012-nhl...final-edition/
27.) Phoenix Coyotes – TomᚠHertl, C, Slavia Praha (Czech Extraliga)

http://thehockeywriters.com/2012-nhl...draft-madness/
27th Phoenix Coyotes – Stefan Matteau, LW (USNTDP, USHL)
Aberg, Samuelsson, Pearson, and Laughton are probably the 4 players that I would target.

I also think that we could make some headway by trading up from 58 by offering either Summers or Schlemko and grabbing Winther.

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So far I've taken Dalton Thrower, Gemel Smith, Anton Zlobin, and Logan Nelson. That's through round three.

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So far I've taken Dalton Thrower, Gemel Smith, Anton Zlobin, and Logan Nelson. That's through round three.
I could live with that return. I like Smith a lot, and Zlobin is worth a gamble. Nelson is a solid value pick, too. Whom did you pass over for Thrower?

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I could live with that return. I like Smith a lot, and Zlobin is worth a gamble. Nelson is a solid value pick, too. Whom did you pass over for Thrower?
Both Laughton and Bozon. Nobody else I would have really considered. I feel like Laughton's upside is just too limited. People make the Richards comparison and say Mike was a late pick. They forget that was 2003, the greatest draft ever. Richards was twice as productive as Laughton has been and probably would've been a top ten pick in a normal year.

In Thrower I can see the potential to be a top four D. Im not so sure Laughton could be a top six F. Just went with what I thought would be the better asset down the line.

Bozon seems like a reach at 27. We will find out tomorrow.

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Both Laughton and Bozon. Nobody else I would have really considered. I feel like Laughton's upside is just too limited. People make the Richards comparison and say Mike was a late pick. They forget that was 2003, the greatest draft ever. Richards was twice as productive as Laughton has been and probably would've been a top ten pick in a normal year.

In Thrower I can see the potential to be a top four D. Im not so sure Laughton could be a top six F. Just went with what I thought would be the better asset down the line.

Bozon seems like a reach at 27. We will find out tomorrow.
Fair points. I'd probably take Laughton over Thrower myself, but I agree the Richards comparison is a bit lofty. Thrower, as I've mentioned, strikes me as a perfect #4, whereas I see Laughton as a 2nd/3rd line tweener who can hold his own in both ends. Maybe a slightly lesser Daymond Langkow? Or a smaller David Legwand? I think either of those--a defensively responsible, 50-point center--is worth a late 1st.

As for Bozon, Thrower is surely the higher rated player based on consensus, but if you think Bozon projects as the better player (which I do), that's not a good reason to pass on him.

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