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06-22-2012, 01:17 PM
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That sounds more like agility than speed to me, and obviously that's a team-based draft philosophy. You'll see the same philosophy throughout the organization. Because the Coyotes don't have many burners on their team, I don't suspect they share the same ideals, but I really have no idea.
Imagine that, there's actually quite a bit that goes into skating.... Could that be such a huge part of what makes this the greatest game on earth?

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They need to hire Doan's sister. She took a ridiculously slow skater and turned him into someone who is a beast to knock off the puck (albeit still slow).

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06-22-2012, 01:20 PM
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Your insistence on belittling the very foundation of the game is amusing.
Okay, let's not get carried away. Last I checked Luc Robataille and Brett Hull were foundational hockey players. More recently teams have had a lot of success with the likes of John LeClair, Dave Andreychuk, Gary Roberts, Andrew Brunnette, Thomas Holmstrom, Corey Perry, Ryan Smyth, Milan Lucic, and Dustin Penner.

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06-22-2012, 01:21 PM
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Draft factors

When I created the above draft list I looked at the following:

1.) Hockey sense/smarts-really cannot be taught imo;
2.) Competitiveness-hates to lose;
3.) Skill level
4.) Physical makeup
5.) Skating ability

for example Coda Gordon does well in the first 4-put him into the right skating an and conditioning program and I think you have a good secondary scorer-people dogged Corey Perry and his skating too

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06-22-2012, 01:23 PM
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Your insistence on belittling the very foundation of the game is amusing.
In what sense am I belittling it?

Relax. All I'm saying is that it's fixable and that not everyone has to be Pavel Bure to make an impact. Andrew Brunette, whom I've compared Gordon to, is one of the worst skaters in the league, but he's hit 20 goals six times in his career.

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06-22-2012, 01:26 PM
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Okay, let's not get carried away. Last I checked Luc Robataille and Brett Hull were foundational hockey players. More recently teams have had a lot of success with the likes of John LeClair, Dave Andreychuk, Gary Roberts, Andrew Brunnette, Thomas Holmstrom, Corey Perry, Ryan Smyth, Milan Lucic, and Dustin Penner.
Don't worry, I won't take you seriously.

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06-22-2012, 01:53 PM
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Why can't they just start the draft early, getting bored here.

obligatory draft tidbit: In 1978 St Louis drafted 31 different players to beat out Montreal only taking 24.

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Over the years, we have had some really good prognosticators of the Coyotes first round pick. Since it's a lot harder to guess (based on place and new scouting team) this year, everyone gets three choices. Post your choices and let's see who gets it right.

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06-22-2012, 02:46 PM
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Over the years, we have had some really good prognosticators of the Coyotes first round pick. Since it's a lot harder to guess (based on place and new scouting team) this year, everyone gets three choices. Post your choices and let's see who gets it right.
Barring a trade:

Gaunce, Hertl, Thrower

Note: this is not the list of who i want though haha

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That sounds more like agility than speed to me, and obviously that's a team-based draft philosophy. You'll see the same philosophy throughout the organization. Because the Coyotes don't have many burners on their team, I don't suspect they share the same ideals, but I really have no idea.

This is just my own opinion, obviously. I also don't expect Gordon to ever become a speed demon. But if he can get his skating to replacement level, he can be a really valuable secondary scorer, somewhere between Andrew Brunette and Tomas Holmstrom.
Vermy, Boeds, Korpi, Yandle, and Vrby to an extent are fast players. Boeds, Korpi, and Yandle are some of the fastest players in the NHL. The 'Yotes absolutely have burners.

As far as skating's importance; it is huge. I'd take a guy who has a rep of not giving 100% all the time over someone who is a below average skater. Skating is a lot harder to fix than you think.

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06-22-2012, 03:03 PM
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Heartl
Koekock (just to toss a D in there)

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06-22-2012, 03:04 PM
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My three guesses at 27 are...

Aberg, Samuelsson, and Thrower.

I think Gaunce and Hertl will be gone before our pick.

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06-22-2012, 03:22 PM
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Laughton
Pearson
Samuellson

There might be a surprise player in there who goes earlier. Im actually a little biased towards Sutter. He is a shade under a point per game player, and takes a ton of penalty minutes as a guy who is willing to stand and throw. Does he become a guy whose offense increases as his game is honed and he takes about a quarter of those penalty minutes down?

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06-22-2012, 03:27 PM
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Kulak
Lindholm
Bystrom

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Sutter is a good dark horse pick.

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06-22-2012, 03:34 PM
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I will be wrong on this but I say we end up taking the 1st overall with our 1st and giving up a prospect on D.

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06-22-2012, 03:36 PM
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Want:
Bozon
Samuelsson
Aberg

Expect:
Gaunce
Matheson
Skjei

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Want:
Bozon
Samuelsson
Aberg

Expect:
Gaunce
Matheson
Skjei
I'd switch Samuelsson with Frk. But otherwise I agree.

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06-22-2012, 03:47 PM
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Hey Pho, I know you really hope we don't draft Sissons, but why is that? I'm curious, I don't really know anything about him.

EDIT: Just watched a couple videos, he looks like a god awful skater...

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06-22-2012, 03:59 PM
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Hey Pho, I know you really hope we don't draft Sissons, but why is that? I'm curious, I don't really know anything about him.
I just don't see much upside. He's an okay skater with a good frame, but his hands are pretty awful and his creativity isn't much better. He'll probably be a solid bottom six guy but I can't see him scoring much.

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Hey Pho, I know you really hope we don't draft Sissons, but why is that? I'm curious, I don't really know anything about him.

EDIT: Just watched a couple videos, he looks like a god awful skater...
That's probably it, Pho puts the emphasis on skating!

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06-22-2012, 04:02 PM
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I just don't see much upside. He's an okay skater with a good frame, but his hands are pretty awful and his creativity isn't much better. He'll probably be a solid bottom six guy but I can't see him scoring much.
Fair enough. Just did a little research and I'm inclined to agree with you.

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I love draft day. It's the best time of the year!

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Want:
Hertl
Samuelsson
Winther

Expect:
Matteau
Kerdiles
Laughton

Although i like all of the "expect" guys. Especially Kerdiles. I also like Gaunce, but i think he goes in the teens. I know Winther seems like a reach at 27, but I'm really high on him. If Hertl isn't available at 27, i'd love to trade down and selecet both Winther and Bozon. That would be an awesome draft IMO.

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