Niskanen is not fetching a 1st round pick. I'd be really surprised if anyone would offer a 2nd for him to be honest.
3rd or so is probably his relative value.
Letestu just fetched a 4th. D-men have a higher value than forwards, and Niskanen is a better player than Letestu. I would think Shero could get more than a 3rd for Niskanen.
If we're talking about trading him after the season, then he might only be worth a 3rd.
Letestu just fetched a 4th. D-men have a higher value than forwards, and Niskanen is a better player than Letestu. I would think Shero could get more than a 3rd for Niskanen.
If we're talking about trading him after the season, then he might only be worth a 3rd.
A 4th that should be near a third given how Columbus is playing.
The hypothetical was that he continues playing at a high level through the trade deadline, if so I think that quite a few GM's would be interested in paying at least a second. He would not be just a rental, and returns at the deadline always have me shaking my head.
Yeah...the 4th is like a 3rd except 30 teams pick before us in the 3rd round...best case scenario.
Eh, it isn't bad that hopefully being the Cup champs this year, we could possibly have two consecutive picks at the end of the third and beginning of the 4th.
If the draft is as deep as everyone says, I'll take as many 2nd-4ths as possible.
The draft is always so weird, though. The experts usually change their mind on it sometime in the spring. So if they think it's a really deep draft now, by June they'll be saying it's the worst draft in years.
LOL nobody is going to offer a 1st or 2nd rounder for fricken Niskanen! OF COURSE you make that trade, doesn't matter how he's playing that's a no-brainer.
LOL nobody is going to offer a 1st or 2nd rounder for fricken Niskanen! OF COURSE you make that trade, doesn't matter how he's playing that's a no-brainer.
Right. Because we live in a bubble where we should trade roster players for picks regardless of their necessity to the current lineup.
Right. Because we live in a bubble where we should trade roster players for picks regardless of their necessity to the current lineup.
A 1st or 2nd rounder?! For Niskanen? And your worried about filling his roster spot? Ummmm hmmmm how about call up ANYBODY. lol He's awful, no GM on the planet would offer more than a 4thie
I doubt we would be able to receive a 1st but going into the playoffs I wouldn't sell unless we are out of it. It just doesn't make sense if we have one or 2 of our players getting injured after the deadline. We would be screwed. He is a good cheap player and a RFA, I think we will keep him
A 1st or 2nd rounder?! For Niskanen? And your worried about filling his roster spot? Ummmm hmmmm how about call up ANYBODY. lol He's awful, no GM on the planet would offer more than a 4thie
haha okay. First off, we aren't getting a 1st for Nisky I agree. The point is, we aren't trying to make our team weaker before the playoffs. We need MORE d depth not less. So unless we are flipping him for a high pick and then turning around and getting a better dman at the deadline, we won't be trading Matt Niskanen.
Also, your bias against him is ridiculous. Have you even watched him play this year?
haha okay. First off, we aren't getting a 1st for Nisky I agree. The point is, we aren't trying to make our team weaker before the playoffs. We need MORE d depth not less. So unless we are flipping him for a high pick and then turning around and getting a better dman at the deadline, we won't be trading Matt Niskanen.
Also, your bias against him is ridiculous. Have you even watched him play this year?
meh, he's alarmingly mediocre on an exceptional team. You could plug 2 or 3 different AHL guys into his spot and get the same or better results. Keep him for depth, I don't care. The thread poll is asking about trading him (and his precious depth) for a 1st or second rounder. And all I'm saying is good luck finding a GM willing to trade anything higher than a 4th rounder for him. If the title is "for a 5h or 6th rounder" then yeah, you have a thread based in reality. As of now, you don't. And I didn't make it.
23-year-old progressing RFA defender who is showing many signs of progression when this team is dealing with injuries?
I don't know if I'd want to trade him under those circumstances. If we have to lose him in the long run for very little, just remember, we got him as a "giveaway" to begin with. He's giving our young prospects time to progress and giving them a reason to push themselves. He's a good skater with some solid offensive skills and he's showing signs of being dependable offensively.
If we got a great offer, I'd consider it. We do have prospects and have the leadership involved to help them progress. This is a deep draft and with two firsts, we can set ourselves up for a big trade to get a top-10 prospect, or sit back and dwell on building out our prospect pool even deeper.
However, with his recent play, I'm not sure I want to jump that gun one bit.
A 1st or 2nd rounder?! For Niskanen? And your worried about filling his roster spot? Ummmm hmmmm how about call up ANYBODY. lol He's awful, no GM on the planet would offer more than a 4thie
He was awful with Dallas. He was better than many of us expected when he came over last year, and this year he has been very good. His play was the reason why a trade thread with him as a central piece was started by a mod on the trade board, the thread that inspired me to post this thread. You can argue a lot of things about him, but calling him awful after his play this year is completely without any reasonable basis.
He's going to be 25 next month. Not exactly "young" in terms of development. I'd also like to see more points from an offensive Dman like him. Regardless, we need more NHL Dmen, not less, come the playoffs.
Visnovsky didn't even play in the NHL until he was 25.
Brian Campbell didn't play in the NHL until he was 22.
Players with similar games didn't start in the NHL especially on a lower tier team like Dallas. He wasn't given time to develop, that doesn't mean he won't when he's shielded in a third line role like he is now on the Pens. People on this forum need to realize that players, especially defenseman don't hit their stride until their late 20s early 30s. Nisky could become a new gologoski without the shot presence, and he even had that for some time in Dallas.
25 is still fairly young. I mean, in the next year or so...those should be the biggest strides he makes, but it's hardly time to chalk him up in terms of further developing.
He was awful with Dallas. He was better than many of us expected when he came over last year, and this year he has been very good. His play was the reason why a trade thread with him as a central piece was started by a mod on the trade board, the thread that inspired me to post this thread. You can argue a lot of things about him, but calling him awful after his play this year is completely without any reasonable basis.
That's part of the trouble with speculating about what to do with him at the trading deadline, we aren't gonna know just how the defense will be shaking out at that point. At the end of last year, a lot of people were pretty "meh" about Niskanen's play and were ready to trade Engelland for a bag of pucks. Now some people are afraid of trading Nisky for a first rounder because they don't want the Rev in the lineup. By deadline time, all three or none could be on the fan hate list. It's really hard to honestly say what i'd do, because i honestly have no idea what our bottom pair is gonna look like in a few months, either in terms of personnel or quality.
Brooks Orpik was in and out of the doghouse to the point where he played a few games at wing as a 27 year old D-Man. It takes time. I think Niskanen has improved and is on the right track.
The offense not being there with Niskanen isn't shocking either. You need the top unit PP time and huge minutes overall to put up big offensive numbers and he doesn't get that. I'm not saying he would automatically put up big numbers if he got those minutes, but he'd certainly be more productive than he currently is.
I think Niskanen is underrated (I admit, I did at one point but now see his true value to the team) due to his performance last season but he came in at the half-way point (-ish) and didn't really have time to gel with his line mates due to the injury crisis that we had, he hasn't be able to actually play what DB prefers yet much so I reckon we should at least give him until January and if he hasn't improved by then, then trading is an option to someone in the need of a defenceman. If he doesn't develop then it wouldn't be too much of a loss if we traded him as we have players that can fill his gap.
He was awful with Dallas. He was better than many of us expected when he came over last year, and this year he has been very good. His play was the reason why a trade thread with him as a central piece was started by a mod on the trade board, the thread that inspired me to post this thread. You can argue a lot of things about him, but calling him awful after his play this year is completely without any reasonable basis.
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