I know this is just a stab in the dark and everything, but could there be a chance Dumba falls to us, that is if we play out of the bottom 5, considering that he's kind of a risk?
I know this is just a stab in the dark and everything, but could there be a chance Dumba falls to us, that is if we play out of the bottom 5, considering that he's kind of a risk?
After Yakupov at #1, anything could happen. There could be a run of forwards at the top since it's such a d-man rich draft. Seems like Gaunce and Faksa have been rising and I could see them both moving into the top 10 which is consistent with the drafting trends the last couple of years. You just never know.
I know this is just a stab in the dark and everything, but could there be a chance Dumba falls to us, that is if we play out of the bottom 5, considering that he's kind of a risk?
He's not getting past 5 or 6 at the very furthest.
Snow shows a tendency to pick late risers, and to reach a bit from concensus rankings.
Bailey, Nino, deHaan, even Strome were late risers and some were reaches, especially deHaan.
The only mock draft that will ever be close to accurate (but with plenty of potential to go differently) is after April 10 when the draft order is established.
NYI can pick as high as #10 and as low as #3, so this early I would split the difference and say #6/7, then try to work from there, using the newest scouting concensus rankings.
We could get Trouba, Forsberg, Reilly, Finn. Keep in mind Snows tendencies for late risers.
Snow shows a tendency to pick late risers, and to reach a bit from concensus rankings.
Bailey, Nino, deHaan, even Strome were late risers and some were reaches, especially deHaan.
The only mock draft that will ever be close to accurate (but with plenty of potential to go differently) is after April 10 when the draft order is established.
NYI can pick as high as #10 and as low as #3, so this early I would split the difference and say #6/7, then try to work from there, using the newest scouting concensus rankings.
We could get Trouba, Forsberg, Reilly, Finn. Keep in mind Snows tendencies for late risers.
These four are really good picks for the point you were trying to make.....We dont hear Finn to often But he plays with Pedan and theres a good chance the Isles have seen much of him....Like you said, Snows track record shows that the "most" likley too go in our draft spot, wont be picked....Again, as I have been saying, The Scouts are all over this Forsberg kid and he seems like a Snow pick too me if hes on the Board.....Snow probably thinking you can never have enough Potential top scoring Fowards and Defense can be addressed in the next rounds.....
If we are picking at #6/7 than Snow has to take Trouba. He is exactly what we need even more so than Dumba.
The more I read about Trouba, he sounds like a Hamonic clone, with perhaps even more top end potential... both 6'2 right handed shooters, that like to play a very physical two way game.. very good puck moving ability and solid (but not great) offensive ability.. Very strong two-way defensemen.. I'll take another Hamonic any day of the week.. sign me up! I'll sold.. I want Trouba......... and as far as people being concerned with how long its gonna take him to make it to the NHL, you can't draft based on that, especially when drafting 6/7.. you end up reaching... Trouba will not take any longer than any other prospect slotted to go around that pick... u pick based on potential and ability, not arrival time...
The more I read about Trouba, he sounds like a Hamonic clone, with perhaps even more top end potential... both 6'2 right handed shooters, that like to play a very physical two way game.. very good puck moving ability and solid (but not great) offensive ability.. Very strong two-way defensemen.. I'll take another Hamonic any day of the week.. sign me up! I'll sold.. I want Trouba......... and as far as people being concerned with how long its gonna take him to make it to the NHL, you can't draft based on that, especially when drafting 6/7.. you end up reaching... Trouba will not take any longer than any other prospect slotted to go around that pick... u pick based on potential and ability, not arrival time...
sign me up! i understand Snow's (or any GM's) penchant for picking younger guys. an August 94 pick is almost a year younger than a Sept 93 pick. it may not seem like much, but when these KIDS are still developing, i believe that it means alot. you could almost give these youngsters another year of grace, providing they don't get lynched by angry mobfans first...
got a chance to see sarnia and saginaw last night. i do not have a glowing report on yakupov. i thought he was awful. galchenyuk was the better of the two players. he had a couple of good chances and his hands and smarts were obvious to me. he even threw a couple of checks. his skating is certainly not what yakupov's is, but i came away from the game much more impressed with galchenyuk's play.
i must say that the best player on the ice was brandon saad. my goodness what a quality player! bob mackenzie had him at 22 going into the draft and how this kid fell to 43rd is beyond me.
The more I read about Trouba, he sounds like a Hamonic clone, with perhaps even more top end potential... both 6'2 right handed shooters, that like to play a very physical two way game.. very good puck moving ability and solid (but not great) offensive ability.. Very strong two-way defensemen.. I'll take another Hamonic any day of the week.. sign me up! I'll sold.. I want Trouba......... and as far as people being concerned with how long its gonna take him to make it to the NHL, you can't draft based on that, especially when drafting 6/7.. you end up reaching... Trouba will not take any longer than any other prospect slotted to go around that pick... u pick based on potential and ability, not arrival time...
Offense is better than Hamonic's. PP duty w/ 40-50 pt potential.
If we finish with pick 5-7, my ranking would probably be:
1. Galchenyuk
2. Forsberg
3. Trouba
4. Ceci
IMO, after Murray and Dumba there really aren't any franchise defenseman. Sure, there are #2's and 3's, but I would much rather take a Galchenyuk or Forsberg instead of taking another Hamonic with our top-6 or 7 pick. Nothing against Hamonic, I love the kid and think he's a tremendous defenseman, but the draft should be used to take the best player available... not used to address our biggest need.
Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if we had the opportunity to trade back up into the 20's using our 2nd and 3rd round picks to grab a defenseman like Olli Maatta or Slater Koekkoek. IMO, either of these two could end up becoming just as good as guys like Reinhart or Rielly.
Walking away from the draft with Galchenyuk/Forsberg and Maatta/Koekkoek would be a TREMENDOUS outcome for us.
Where do you need improvement: "The offensive part … I have a good shot and good skill level."
NHL Central Scouting: "A leader who shows by example -- I would compare him to Anaheim's Corey Perry a little bit," NHL Director of European Scouting, Goran Stubb, told NHL.com. "Has a nose for the net, and often scores the big goals. He's a creative playmaker, good skater with fine straight-ahead speed. He's a right-handed forward with an excellent shot and an effective two-way player with a great winning attitude. Filip's a solid puck carrier with very good puck handling skills; mature, good size and physically strong. On top of that, he'll sacrifice himself to make the play."
Too bad Dumba wasn't on this list. We're all so information starved on these kids now.
I'd like to get everyone's opinion on this question:
Do we see another Russian-prospect free fall as has happened in the past? There are three top end Russians in the top 8 with Yak, Galchenyuk, & Grigorenko. I'd think we were past those days, but I worry about one of them bolting for the KHL as well so you have to think it is a talking point at scouting meetings.
I'd like to get everyone's opinion on this question:
Do we see another Russian-prospect free fall as has happened in the past? There are three top end Russians in the top 8 with Yak, Galchenyuk, & Grigorenko. I'd think we were past those days, but I worry about one of them bolting for the KHL as well so you have to think it is a talking point at scouting meetings.
All 3 will be NHLers....But I will say I think that the CBA has alot to do with it....If there is a lockout, I could see YAK or Grig singing a KHL deal..
I'd like to get everyone's opinion on this question:
Do we see another Russian-prospect free fall as has happened in the past? There are three top end Russians in the top 8 with Yak, Galchenyuk, & Grigorenko. I'd think we were past those days, but I worry about one of them bolting for the KHL as well so you have to think it is a talking point at scouting meetings.
Galchenyuk is actually an American of Russian descent. Yakupov is the #1 prospect, he's as much of a flight risk as Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin are/were. The same probably applies to Grigorenko.
The KHL is always going to be an option, but I don't see it looming all that much in Yakupov and Grigorenko. None of them will take a fall in the standings because of it IMO.
I'd like to get everyone's opinion on this question:
Do we see another Russian-prospect free fall as has happened in the past? There are three top end Russians in the top 8 with Yak, Galchenyuk, & Grigorenko. I'd think we were past those days, but I worry about one of them bolting for the KHL as well so you have to think it is a talking point at scouting meetings.
I think it depends on who takes them. If I'm Columbus or the Islanders, I'm avoiding Russians, because with those two organizations, "back home" is better than either of those organizations.
Out of those three, Grigorenko seems the most likely to go back home. Galchenyuk is now an "American" and Yakupov's agent, Igor Larionov, won't let him go to Russia.
Each year the draft has tiers or cutoffs in terms of the talent level of players. This year those defining levels are more difficult to figure out than usual.
After the third pick we'll see the first drop-off. If you recall our Top 50 prospects list, our Top 3 (Yakupov, Grigorenko and Forsberg) are the only prospects I graded in the "A" range. That's the cutoff for what I consider the elite prospects this season. We see the next drop at the No. 10 pick, and that drop appears to be a significant one, but that does not mean teams picking later in the draft will not get a quality prospect.
Another positive about this draft is there appears to be a clog of defensemen and centers, excellent building blocks for teams that may be facing long-term development and rebuilding plans.
Trouba I like but He could not be helpfull for 4 more years.....Dumba Murray Ceci will be three years away at most...
This is rediculous to read, would you rather have Brent Seabrook (Possible Trouba), or a guy liked Ian White (Say Ceci)? Whether it takes him one more year to develop or not shouldn't be why you draft one player over another
A lot of good things happened last night for the Islanders. Most of the teams we want winning, actually won..including a few SO victories which awarded points all around. Our next two games are against OTT and NYD...two teams that have notoriously given us trouble. Seems to me our draft position will come down to how we perform in the last two games against Winnipeg and Columbus. These are two winnable games for us...tho columbus actually spanked St. Louis last night....
Also, "good" for us is that a lot of the teams we are "fighting" with play each other over the final games, meaning points will be awarded somewhere....so while the first 3 picks seem a bit out of reach for us, pick 4-8 seem more likely....
This is rediculous to read, would you rather have Brent Seabrook (Possible Trouba), or a guy liked Ian White (Say Ceci)? Whether it takes him one more year to develop or not shouldn't be why you draft one player over another
He wouldn't take all four years to mature anyway. Two at the most. He's nearly at his playing weight right meow.
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There are reportedly two drop off points, in terms of talent in this draft.
Each year the draft has tiers or cutoffs in terms of the talent level of players. This year those defining levels are more difficult to figure out than usual.
After the third pick we'll see the first drop-off. If you recall our Top 50 prospects list, our Top 3 (Yakupov, Grigorenko and Forsberg) are the only prospects I graded in the "A" range. That's the cutoff for what I consider the elite prospects this season. We see the next drop at the No. 10 pick, and that drop appears to be a significant one, but that does not mean teams picking later in the draft will not get a quality prospect.
Another positive about this draft is there appears to be a clog of defensemen and centers, excellent building blocks for teams that may be facing long-term development and rebuilding plans.
It surprised me when I saw Forsberg and not Galchenyuk.
This is quite true in fact but its not a significant drop at all.
This is rediculous to read, would you rather have Brent Seabrook (Possible Trouba), or a guy liked Ian White (Say Ceci)? Whether it takes him one more year to develop or not shouldn't be why you draft one player over another
You didnt get the joke......4 years or 3 years is more or less a wash...I was saying this is how our managment thinks......Plus Trouba wont spend 4 years in college. hes that good and that legit...
