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11-09-2011, 01:11 PM
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1st for a backup???
Yeah, Malkin is a 2nd liner when Crosby comes back so what?

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11-09-2011, 01:12 PM
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Schneider is only a backup now because he's playing behind Lou. He could be a great starter on any team.

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11-09-2011, 01:15 PM
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I think a lot of Leaf fans overvalue Reimer, like the way they overvalued Gustavsson when Burke first brought him over. Reimer is still relatively unproven. He only has 43 games under his belt. Hence his $1.8M per season contract.

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11-09-2011, 01:16 PM
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1st for a backup???
By that logic Connolly (#1C) is worth more than Malkin (#2C).

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11-09-2011, 01:17 PM
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I think a lot of Leaf fans overvalue Reimer, like the way they overvalued Gustavsson when Burke first brought him over. Reimer is still relatively unproven. He only has 43 games under his belt. Hence his $1.8M per season contract.
Schneider has 41 games. I fail to see your point.

Everyone treats Schneider like he's a sure thing, but it's far from the truth.

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11-09-2011, 01:19 PM
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1st for a backup???
Ryan Kesler's also our second line centre; something tells me he wouldn't be the second line centre in Toronto.

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11-09-2011, 01:21 PM
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Schneider has 41 games. I fail to see your point.

Everyone treats Schneider like he's a sure thing, but it's far from the truth.
i'm not saying schneider is better than reimer. i'm saying reimer isn't necessarily the savior. shouldn't assume he will be the next curtis joseph or anything. don't put all your eggs in one basket.

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11-09-2011, 01:23 PM
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he would be 2nd to reims... burke is looking for a cheap backup (nabakov) not looking to spend a 1st for one, and malkin, kesler will be number one centers on alot of teams are you telling me corey = malkin/kesler value towards the team..

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11-09-2011, 01:23 PM
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i'm not saying schneider is better than reimer. i'm saying reimer isn't necessarily the savior. shouldn't assume he will be the next curtis joseph or anything. don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Certainly, Reimer is unproven. He could easily be the next Jim Carey.

The point is that there's no reason for the Leafs to give up a top-six forward or a 1st round pick in a very deep draft for a goalie who doesn't represent a significant upgrade and who could easily end up flaming out as well.

If Ryan Miller or Henrik Lundqvist was available, certainly, by all means pull the trigger.

But Cory Schneider? No.

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11-09-2011, 01:24 PM
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he would be 2nd to reims... burke is looking for a cheap backup (nabakov) not looking to spend a 1st for one, and malkin, kesler will be number one centers on alot of teams are you telling me corey = malkin/kesler value towards the team..
All they're saying is that just because Schneider is a backup on the Canucks, doesn't mean he'd be a backup on most other teams in the league

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11-09-2011, 01:26 PM
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All they're saying is that just because Schneider is a backup on the Canucks, doesn't mean he'd be a backup on most other teams in the league
he would be on alot of teams...

and ill i am saying is we are not gonna pay a 1st round pick for someone who is going to backup reims

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11-09-2011, 01:31 PM
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he would be on alot of teams...

and ill i am saying is we are not gonna pay a 1st round pick for someone who is going to backup reims
And those teams likely wouldn't be interested in him. Obviously the original poster believes that Schneider wouldn't be playing second fiddle to Reims, nor do I. If Schneider stepped in while Reimer was injured and posted good numbers, I'm pretty sure they'd continue on with his. Quite likely they'd play both goalies as a tandem until 1 was decided as the clear cut #1. At which point, they'd eventually trade the either.

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11-09-2011, 01:31 PM
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Toronto isn't moving Kulemin for Schneider unless Vancouver is putting Hodgson in there as well.
Bahahah... Clearly your evaluation is off.

For that reason... I'm out.

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11-09-2011, 01:34 PM
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All they're saying is that just because Schneider is a backup on the Canucks, doesn't mean he'd be a backup on most other teams in the league
He might be a backup on more than half of the teams in the league, actually, but I'm not going to argue about Schneider's talent.

The point is the Leafs have no need to pay that type of price for a goalie who actually has worse career numbers than Reimer while playing on a better team. That said, if some people believe Schneider is the superior goalie, I have no problem with that. The point is, a 1A goalie is not worth a top-six forward or a 1st round pick.

Also, for fun, teams on which Schneider might be a starter on (these are subjective, of course):

Clear Upgrades

Phoenix - Smith
Ottawa - Anderson
Columbus - Mason
NYI - Montoya
Florida - Theodore
Lightning - Roloson

Might be an upgrade, but I doubt it

St. Louis - Halak*
SJ - Niemi*
Detroit - Howard*
Winnipeg - Pavelec*
Philadelphia - Bryzgalov*
Chicago - Crawford*
Toronto - Reimer*
Edmonton - Khabibulin*

Schneider would clearly be a backup on these teams:

Vancouver - Luongo
Montreal - Price
Anaheim - Hiller
LA - Quick
Washington - Vokoun
Colorado - Varlamov
Calgary - Kipprusoff
Dallas - Lehtonen
NYR - Lundqvist
Buffalo - Miller
Minnesota - Backstrom/Harding

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NOOO reason for the Canucks to do this.

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he would be on alot of teams...

and ill i am saying is we are not gonna pay a 1st round pick for someone who is going to backup reims
He is better than Reimer. Reimer would be the backup.

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Schneider has 41 games. I fail to see your point.

Everyone treats Schneider like he's a sure thing, but it's far from the truth.
As far from certain it is, it's looking a lot better than any other goalie around that will be as available as Schneidner is

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He is better than Reimer. Reimer would be the backup.
how is he better than reimer?

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11-09-2011, 01:39 PM
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he would be on alot of teams...

and ill i am saying is we are not gonna pay a 1st round pick for someone who is going to backup reims
With Schneider, it's highly likely that Reimer would be outplayed and have to step up his game.

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Cory Schneider:

41 GP 20-12-0 .918 sv % 2.52 GAA 1 SO

James Reimer:

43 GP 24-10-0 .920 sv % 2.59 GAA 4 SO

Neither presents a clear upgrade over the other.

If Canucks fans believe that Schneider is the better goalie, based on how they've seen him play, then they're entitled to their opinion.

Reimer has put up those numbers with the worse team both defensively and offensively, while handling a heavy workload which playing on back-to-back nights multiple times towards the end of last season, so I'd take Reimer.


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11-09-2011, 01:43 PM
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As far from certain it is, it's looking a lot better than any other goalie around that will be as available as Schneidner is
Jon Bernier would probably be available, but that's besides the point.

Yes, Schneider is probably the best goalie available on the market. But the Leafs don't need a #1.

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lol at anyone thinking kulemin would be main piece for Schneider. and an even more lol at that guy talking about an "on pace" kulemin is not equal to Schneider and Hodgson. Guess what? proven is better than on pace. 30 goals, baby. Can't argue with that(and no you really can't, so have fun.) I might do Schneider and Hodgson for Kulemin, but don't give me that it isn't enough from our side.

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11-09-2011, 01:47 PM
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how is he better than reimer?
James Reimer has almost zero body of work as a professional. Since 2008, in the ECHL, AHL and NHL combined he has only played 115 games. In his entire career, he has only played 60 games in a season once, and that was in his 2nd year of juniors.

Cory Schnieder was putting up .916, .928 and .919 SV% seasons in the AHL, dominating competition from guys like Jimmy Howard, Al Montoya and Justin Pogge while James Reimer was working his way up from the ECHL. Schneider's NHL resume is as good or better than Reimer's and he has a much longer and more accomplished body of work to look back on. Cory Schnieder led his Boston College team to 2 Frozen Four finals, was the Hockey East tournament MVP, NCAA (Frozen Four) Tournament MVP, AHL Goalie of the year, multiple other lesser college and international awards and shared an NHL Jennings Trophy with Roberto Luongo.

Based on their respective accomplishments, Reimer wouldn't be out of place asking for his autograph.


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lol at anyone thinking kulemin would be main piece for Schneider. and an even more lol at that guy talking about an "on pace" kulemin is not equal to Schneider and Hodgson. Guess what? proven is better than on pace. 30 goals, baby. Can't argue with that(and no you really can't, so have fun.) I might do Schneider and Hodgson for Kulemin, but don't give me that it isn't enough from our side.
I don't see the Canucks ever trading Schneider and Hodgson for Kulemin.. ever..

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I don't see the Canucks ever trading Schneider and Hodgson for Kulemin.. ever..
Yep. That's a huge overpayment for someone who has had one season with more than 20 goals.

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