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11-18-2011, 09:09 PM
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I noticed Brad Winchester more than I notice Grachev.
I believe you.

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11-18-2011, 09:45 PM
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I noticed Brad Winchester more than I notice Grachev.
This comment reminds me of one certain Blues fans from one certain state out west.

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11-18-2011, 09:52 PM
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This comment reminds me of one certain Blues fans from one certain state out west.
It was wise to keep 2MM's name out of that post. He seems...unstable...at the best of times.

Just kidding big guy, please don't ban me.

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11-18-2011, 09:58 PM
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I'd easily take Grachev's hard work and effort every night over Winchester's 1 in every 20 games.

Personally, I thought Grachev played well last night, he just didn't have a whole lot of chemistry with the upper lines (as others have suggested). Specifically, the play where he poke checked the puck from two different Florida players in the corner, then made a great pass to D'Ags in front of the net.

Find me a time where Winchester has ever made a great pass. Winny has a great wrist shot that he never uses and can bang bodies when he feels like it. But his best quality is being a pylon in front of the net who sometimes cleans up a rebound. Grachev can do that and much more, especially defensively. He also has a much higher upside than Winchester.

Edit: I just looked at the stats. I'm sure that Winchester's one extra goal would have made a huge difference here.

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11-18-2011, 10:32 PM
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Calm down everybody. I didn't say Winchester was better than Grachev, just I noticed Winchester more than I notice Grachev.

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11-18-2011, 10:35 PM
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Calm down everybody. I didn't say Winchester was better than Grachev, just I noticed Winchester more than I notice Grachev.
Well I'll give you that his redhair is more noticeable.

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11-18-2011, 10:47 PM
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Well I'll give you that his redhair is more noticeable.
The opposition probably noticed Winchester more as well.

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11-18-2011, 11:03 PM
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The opposition probably noticed Winchester more as well.
Only every tenth game and only because he decided to check that night.

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11-18-2011, 11:31 PM
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Only every tenth game and only because he decided to check that night.
Or crashing the net, delivering body checks, starting scrums or pulling a surprise butt-whoopin.

But Grachev makes a nice pass once in a while and will block a shot now and then or steal the puck sometimes.

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Or crashing the net, delivering body checks, starting scrums or pulling a surprise butt-whoopin.

But Grachev makes a nice pass once in a while and will block a shot now and then or steal the puck sometimes.
So why not bring back Janssen if thats what your looking for in a player?

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11-18-2011, 11:54 PM
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So why not bring back Janssen if thats what your looking for in a player?
Yes, I like players to be noticeable out on the ice.

To answer your question...I am not the GM is probably why.

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11-18-2011, 11:57 PM
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So why not bring back Janssen if thats what your looking for in a player?
Good question. Did you see him level Chara the other night?

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11-19-2011, 12:00 AM
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Good question. Did you see him level Chara the other night?
I did, that was a great hit.

In an interview Janssen said Chara asked him if he wanted to go and Janssen said he pretended not to hear him.

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11-19-2011, 12:06 AM
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Yes, I like players to be noticeable out on the ice.

To answer your question...I am not the GM is probably why.
Janssen is one of the worst hockey players in the league. His turning radius is literally the width of ice.

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11-19-2011, 12:22 AM
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Yes, I like players to be noticeable out on the ice.
I don't think anyone has a problem with that, but it seems that the things that catch your attention don't necessarily have a lot to do with winning hockey games...especially with winning hockey games the way that Hitchcock intends to win them.

Janssen, for example, is "noticeable" because he fights a lot, and throws his body around like crazy.

Unfortunately, that recklessness often takes him out of position, which (along with his limited hand-eye coordination and defensive stickwork) makes him a liability defensively. He has no puck skills, no hands, no vision, and (generally speaking) no ability to create offense or contribute to puck possession. During his last year here, he was twice as likely to take a penalty as to draw one (per behindthenet.ca), and twice as likely to be on the ice for a penalty for our team than a penalty against. There's really no place for him in the new NHL, and the Blues are a better team for having gotten rid of him.

Honestly, if the way the team is playing right now isn't enough to keep you excited and interested in the game, then you're probably not going to like this team very much for the immediate future. The Blues are playing some incredible hockey. The nuances of that might be a bit beyond you as a fan for the moment, but this is a good place to learn if you're open to that sort of thing.

If what drives your enjoyment of the game is the physical side of things (and there's certainly nothing wrong with that), then a team like Columbus might be more up your alley. They aren't winning a lot, but they're second in the league in hits and tied for first in major penalties. Perhaps Ottawa or Minnesota if you're looking for a more talented team? Something tells me you would love watching Clutterbuck on a regular basis.

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11-19-2011, 12:38 AM
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Janssen is one of the worst hockey players in the league. His turning radius is literally the width of ice.
I prefer players that are noticeable out on the ice and I am not the GM of the Blues, so how can I "bring back" Janssen?

What does your reply have to do with my post?

I am not the one that suggested the Blues "bring back Janssen". I think you were supposed to post this to Celtic Note.

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11-19-2011, 12:43 AM
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I prefer players that are noticeable out on the ice and I am not the GM of the Blues, so how can I "bring back" Janssen?

What does your reply have to do with my post?

I am not the one that suggested the Blues "bring back Janssen". I think you were supposed to post this to Celtic Note.
Celtic never said bring him back, he asked you if you wanted him back and my post was saying that we should not have him back, in reply to you saying you want him back.

But, back to the topic, I think Grachev should get some PP time. He has a big body and good offensive instincts with a solid shot. Maybe some new blood can get the PP going.

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11-19-2011, 12:53 AM
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Celtic never said bring him back, he asked you if you wanted him back and my post was saying that we should not have him back, in reply to you saying you want him back.

But, back to the topic, I think Grachev should get some PP time. He has a big body and good offensive instincts with a solid shot. Maybe some new blood can get the PP going.
Show me where I said "I want Janssen back".

Arnott in the slot and Grachev on the RW boards on one unit
Backes in the slot and Berglund on the RW boards on the other

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Show me where I said "I want Janssen back".

Arnott in the slot and Grachev on the RW boards on one unit
Backes in the slot and Berglund on the RW boards on the other
Grachev is on the unit that doesn't play as much, I want him to get some more time. I wouldn't mind him switching with D'Agostini on the 1st unit on the LW boards. D'Agostini only has 1 point in his last 9 games and isn't really doing anything on the PP.

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11-19-2011, 01:07 AM
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Grachev is on the unit that doesn't play as much, I want him to get some more time. I wouldn't mind him switching with D'Agostini on the 1st unit on the LW boards. D'Agostini only has 1 point in his last 9 games and isn't really doing anything on the PP.
Wouldn't Grachev be better suited to play on his off wing on the PP?

Didn't D'Agostini just score a big PP goal against Detroit?

Power Play Unit #1
Oshie - Backes - Berglund

Colaiacovo - Pietrangelo


Power Play Unit #2
D'Agostini - Arnott - Grachev

Steen - Shattenkirk

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No PP duty for Stewart?

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Wouldn't Grachev be better suited to play on his off wing on the PP?

Didn't D'Agostini just score a big PP goal against Detroit?

Power Play Unit #1
Oshie - Backes - Berglund

Colaiacovo - Pietrangelo


Power Play Unit #2
D'Agostini - Arnott - Grachev

Steen - Shattenkirk
Those are not the PP units, the one that plays more has:

D'Agostini-Backes-Berglund
Steen-Shattenkirk

Backes and D'Agostini both rotate on the LW boards, with Berglund in the slot and Steen and Shattenkirk at the blue line middle and RW boards

Grachev shoots right, so LW boards is his off side. Goalie perspective would be the right, so whatever way you go by.

D'Agostini basically banged in a loose puck in an open net, I would hope he or any other NHL player could score that.


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No PP duty for Stewart?
Well not right now, but when he's back he gets in front of the net on the top unit.

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Well not right now, but when he's back he gets in front of the net on the top unit.
Ah, my apologies, I thought those were proposed units as opposed to what just occurred

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Ah, my apologies, I thought those were proposed units as opposed to what just occurred
Ideally:

Backes-Stewart-McDonald
Steen-Shattenkirk

Oshie-Berglund-Perron
Colaiacovo-Pietrangelo

D'Agostini and Grachev can fill in on the wings and Arnott can fill in for the slot.

Backes and Berglund could also switch, but Backes has one of the best shots on the team, but Berglund does too if he would use it more.

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