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11-09-2011, 02:08 PM
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OT:The Flyers are the Anti-Islander

Man, looking at the Flyer's stats, it seems like everyone is producing, I wish the Islanders stats looked like this.

2011-12 Scoring for Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
# Name Pos GP G A Pts PIM +/- Birthdate Age Birthplace Hght Wght
28 Claude Giroux R 14 9 10 19 8 4 1988-01-12 23 Hearst, ONT 5.11 172
68 Jaromir Jagr R 14 6 9 15 8 6 1972-02-15 39 Kladno, Czech 6.02 240
48 Daniel Briere C 12 4 8 12 14 2 1977-10-06 33 Gatineau, PQ 5.10 181
21 James Van Riemsdyk L 13 6 6 12 10 0 1989-05-04 22 Middletown, NJ 6.03 190
19 Scott Hartnell L 14 5 7 12 16 7 1982-04-18 29 Regina, SASK 6.02 210
44 Kimmo Timonen D 14 0 10 10 6 4 1975-03-18 36 Kuopio, Finland 5.10 196
27 Maxime Talbot C 14 5 3 8 4 0 1984-02-11 27 Lemoyne, PQ 5.11 185
14 Sean Couturier C 14 5 3 8 0 9 1992-12-07 18 Phoenix, AZ 6.04 191
25 Matt Carle D 14 3 5 8 10 4 1984-09-25 26 Anchorage, AK 6.00 205
93 Jakub Voracek R 14 3 5 8 8 0 1989-08-15 22 Kladno, Czech Rep. 6.01 205
20 Chris Pronger D 8 1 6 7 4 2 1974-10-10 36 Dryden, ONT 6.06 210


From superstar Claude Giroux, to 39 year old Jaromir Jagr averaging almost a point a game, to 18 year old Sean Couturier scoring 5 goals and 8 points in 14 games (I hope this doesn't mimic the 1990 draft with Couturier as jagr and Strome as Scissons). Seems like everyone is producing. Hell, even Pronger was almost at a point a game. Three D-men with 7 or more points, we don't even have 3 forwards with 7 or more points. Color me jealous.

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Man, looking at the Flyer's stats, it seems like everyone is producing, I wish the Islanders stats looked like this.

2011-12 Scoring for Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
# Name Pos GP G A Pts PIM +/- Birthdate Age Birthplace Hght Wght
28 Claude Giroux R 14 9 10 19 8 4 1988-01-12 23 Hearst, ONT 5.11 172
68 Jaromir Jagr R 14 6 9 15 8 6 1972-02-15 39 Kladno, Czech 6.02 240
48 Daniel Briere C 12 4 8 12 14 2 1977-10-06 33 Gatineau, PQ 5.10 181
21 James Van Riemsdyk L 13 6 6 12 10 0 1989-05-04 22 Middletown, NJ 6.03 190
19 Scott Hartnell L 14 5 7 12 16 7 1982-04-18 29 Regina, SASK 6.02 210
44 Kimmo Timonen D 14 0 10 10 6 4 1975-03-18 36 Kuopio, Finland 5.10 196
27 Maxime Talbot C 14 5 3 8 4 0 1984-02-11 27 Lemoyne, PQ 5.11 185
14 Sean Couturier C 14 5 3 8 0 9 1992-12-07 18 Phoenix, AZ 6.04 191
25 Matt Carle D 14 3 5 8 10 4 1984-09-25 26 Anchorage, AK 6.00 205
93 Jakub Voracek R 14 3 5 8 8 0 1989-08-15 22 Kladno, Czech Rep. 6.01 205
20 Chris Pronger D 8 1 6 7 4 2 1974-10-10 36 Dryden, ONT 6.06 210


From superstar Claude Giroux, to 39 year old Jaromir Jagr averaging almost a point a game, to 18 year old Sean Couturier scoring 5 goals and 8 points in 14 games (I hope this doesn't mimic the 1990 draft with Couturier as jagr and Strome as Scissons). Seems like everyone is producing. Hell, even Pronger was almost at a point a game. Three D-men with 7 or more points, we don't even have 3 forwards with 7 or more points. Color me jealous.
Nice rebuild. What did it take, 2 seasons to finish? (note to self: hire backup goalie and stun the hockey world)

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Man, looking at the Flyer's stats, it seems like everyone is producing, I wish the Islanders stats looked like this.

2011-12 Scoring for Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
# Name Pos GP G A Pts PIM +/- Birthdate Age Birthplace Hght Wght
28 Claude Giroux R 14 9 10 19 8 4 1988-01-12 23 Hearst, ONT 5.11 172
68 Jaromir Jagr R 14 6 9 15 8 6 1972-02-15 39 Kladno, Czech 6.02 240
48 Daniel Briere C 12 4 8 12 14 2 1977-10-06 33 Gatineau, PQ 5.10 181
21 James Van Riemsdyk L 13 6 6 12 10 0 1989-05-04 22 Middletown, NJ 6.03 190
19 Scott Hartnell L 14 5 7 12 16 7 1982-04-18 29 Regina, SASK 6.02 210
44 Kimmo Timonen D 14 0 10 10 6 4 1975-03-18 36 Kuopio, Finland 5.10 196
27 Maxime Talbot C 14 5 3 8 4 0 1984-02-11 27 Lemoyne, PQ 5.11 185
14 Sean Couturier C 14 5 3 8 0 9 1992-12-07 18 Phoenix, AZ 6.04 191
25 Matt Carle D 14 3 5 8 10 4 1984-09-25 26 Anchorage, AK 6.00 205
93 Jakub Voracek R 14 3 5 8 8 0 1989-08-15 22 Kladno, Czech Rep. 6.01 205
20 Chris Pronger D 8 1 6 7 4 2 1974-10-10 36 Dryden, ONT 6.06 210


From superstar Claude Giroux, to 39 year old Jaromir Jagr averaging almost a point a game, to 18 year old Sean Couturier scoring 5 goals and 8 points in 14 games (I hope this doesn't mimic the 1990 draft with Couturier as jagr and Strome as Scissons). Seems like everyone is producing. Hell, even Pronger was almost at a point a game. Three D-men with 7 or more points, we don't even have 3 forwards with 7 or more points. Color me jealous.
Snider cares about fielding a WINNER!!!
Wang well not so much... But hey our rebuild is on the "Right Track."

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Nice rebuild. What did it take, 2 seasons to finish? (note to self: hire backup goalie and stun the hockey world)
Not even 2 years.

1 off-season.

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Man, looking at the Flyer's stats, it seems like everyone is producing, I wish the Islanders stats looked like this.

2011-12 Scoring for Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
# Name Pos GP G A Pts PIM +/- Birthdate Age Birthplace Hght Wght
28 Claude Giroux R 14 9 10 19 8 4 1988-01-12 23 Hearst, ONT 5.11 172
68 Jaromir Jagr R 14 6 9 15 8 6 1972-02-15 39 Kladno, Czech 6.02 240
48 Daniel Briere C 12 4 8 12 14 2 1977-10-06 33 Gatineau, PQ 5.10 181
21 James Van Riemsdyk L 13 6 6 12 10 0 1989-05-04 22 Middletown, NJ 6.03 190
19 Scott Hartnell L 14 5 7 12 16 7 1982-04-18 29 Regina, SASK 6.02 210
44 Kimmo Timonen D 14 0 10 10 6 4 1975-03-18 36 Kuopio, Finland 5.10 196
27 Maxime Talbot C 14 5 3 8 4 0 1984-02-11 27 Lemoyne, PQ 5.11 185
14 Sean Couturier C 14 5 3 8 0 9 1992-12-07 18 Phoenix, AZ 6.04 191
25 Matt Carle D 14 3 5 8 10 4 1984-09-25 26 Anchorage, AK 6.00 205
93 Jakub Voracek R 14 3 5 8 8 0 1989-08-15 22 Kladno, Czech Rep. 6.01 205
20 Chris Pronger D 8 1 6 7 4 2 1974-10-10 36 Dryden, ONT 6.06 210
The bolded above are the guys 23 years and under. Notice how the other guys on the list, the guys above 23 years old, are actually capable of being top six forwards/top four defensemen?

Rebuilds don't work if you don't surround the youngsters with good veterans ("good" being the key word) to help carry the load. They simply don't. Anyone who thinks a rebuild entirely through draft picks alone will result in a contender, IMO, is not being realistic.

Sidenote: This is exactly why I couldn't understand why folks were writing the Flyers off just because they got rid of Carter and Richards. Anyone looking at that roster and saw the players still remaining could see there was still a strong amount of talent there.

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Man, looking at the Flyer's stats, it seems like everyone is producing, I wish the Islanders stats looked like this.

2011-12 Scoring for Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
# Name Pos GP G A Pts PIM +/- Birthdate Age Birthplace Hght Wght
28 Claude Giroux R 14 9 10 19 8 4 1988-01-12 23 Hearst, ONT 5.11 172
68 Jaromir Jagr R 14 6 9 15 8 6 1972-02-15 39 Kladno, Czech 6.02 240
48 Daniel Briere C 12 4 8 12 14 2 1977-10-06 33 Gatineau, PQ 5.10 181
21 James Van Riemsdyk L 13 6 6 12 10 0 1989-05-04 22 Middletown, NJ 6.03 190
19 Scott Hartnell L 14 5 7 12 16 7 1982-04-18 29 Regina, SASK 6.02 210
44 Kimmo Timonen D 14 0 10 10 6 4 1975-03-18 36 Kuopio, Finland 5.10 196
27 Maxime Talbot C 14 5 3 8 4 0 1984-02-11 27 Lemoyne, PQ 5.11 185
14 Sean Couturier C 14 5 3 8 0 9 1992-12-07 18 Phoenix, AZ 6.04 191
25 Matt Carle D 14 3 5 8 10 4 1984-09-25 26 Anchorage, AK 6.00 205
93 Jakub Voracek R 14 3 5 8 8 0 1989-08-15 22 Kladno, Czech Rep. 6.01 205
20 Chris Pronger D 8 1 6 7 4 2 1974-10-10 36 Dryden, ONT 6.06 210


From superstar Claude Giroux, to 39 year old Jaromir Jagr averaging almost a point a game, to 18 year old Sean Couturier scoring 5 goals and 8 points in 14 games (I hope this doesn't mimic the 1990 draft with Couturier as jagr and Strome as Scissons). Seems like everyone is producing. Hell, even Pronger was almost at a point a game. Three D-men with 7 or more points, we don't even have 3 forwards with 7 or more points. Color me jealous.
How depressing The more I see this going on as well with teams like the Oilers/Leafs succeeding(I know it's early on but still) the more it smacks me in the face that this team will never be built correctly no matter what happens.

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Man, looking at the Flyer's stats, it seems like everyone is producing, I wish the Islanders stats looked like this.

2011-12 Scoring for Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
# Name Pos GP G A Pts PIM +/- Birthdate Age Birthplace Hght Wght
28 Claude Giroux R 14 9 10 19 8 4 1988-01-12 23 Hearst, ONT 5.11 172
68 Jaromir Jagr R 14 6 9 15 8 6 1972-02-15 39 Kladno, Czech 6.02 240
48 Daniel Briere C 12 4 8 12 14 2 1977-10-06 33 Gatineau, PQ 5.10 181
21 James Van Riemsdyk L 13 6 6 12 10 0 1989-05-04 22 Middletown, NJ 6.03 190
19 Scott Hartnell L 14 5 7 12 16 7 1982-04-18 29 Regina, SASK 6.02 210
44 Kimmo Timonen D 14 0 10 10 6 4 1975-03-18 36 Kuopio, Finland 5.10 196
27 Maxime Talbot C 14 5 3 8 4 0 1984-02-11 27 Lemoyne, PQ 5.11 185
14 Sean Couturier C 14 5 3 8 0 9 1992-12-07 18 Phoenix, AZ 6.04 191
25 Matt Carle D 14 3 5 8 10 4 1984-09-25 26 Anchorage, AK 6.00 205
93 Jakub Voracek R 14 3 5 8 8 0 1989-08-15 22 Kladno, Czech Rep. 6.01 205
20 Chris Pronger D 8 1 6 7 4 2 1974-10-10 36 Dryden, ONT 6.06 210


From superstar Claude Giroux, to 39 year old Jaromir Jagr averaging almost a point a game, to 18 year old Sean Couturier scoring 5 goals and 8 points in 14 games (I hope this doesn't mimic the 1990 draft with Couturier as jagr and Strome as Scissons). Seems like everyone is producing. Hell, even Pronger was almost at a point a game. Three D-men with 7 or more points, we don't even have 3 forwards with 7 or more points. Color me jealous.
Jagr averaging more than 1 point a game at 39 is amazing. For the good of the game, I hope he plays for another 5 years. The difference between the Flyers and Islanders is that players want to come to Philadelphia. A bad reputation was earned by the Islanders and only they could dig themselves out of it.

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I'd love if the NYI built themselves the same way the Flyers do.

Besides for JT & his freakish skills, only Matt Martin & Travis Hamonic fit the mold of a prototypical Flyer player. Sure they have a few smaller guys, but even their smaller guys hit & agitate. Seemingly none of our guys do that.

I'm insanely jealous of that organization.

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Those stats are a little skewed as Philly lost to Winnepeg 9-8 in one of the games

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arent nino and dibo known for their chirping?

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Philly can buy a team, and they did. The Isles won't. Forget about it.

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Not even 2 years.

1 off-season.
I was trying to be diplomatic.

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The bolded above are the guys 23 years and under. Notice how the other guys on the list, the guys above 23 years old, are actually capable of being top six forwards/top four defensemen?

Rebuilds don't work if you don't surround the youngsters with good veterans ("good" being the key word) to help carry the load. They simply don't. Anyone who thinks a rebuild entirely through draft picks alone will result in a contender, IMO, is not being realistic.

Sidenote: This is exactly why I couldn't understand why folks were writing the Flyers off just because they got rid of Carter and Richards. Anyone looking at that roster and saw the players still remaining could see there was still a strong amount of talent there.
Thanks, Sid. By 2014, 20% more fans might believe it. I've been harping on that from the get go but it seems things are so miserable here, no one wants (wanted) to question good ol Garf. Well, it's time to, but who will?

Again, I stopped going. I did my part. Detroit fans stopped going before they got serious in the late '80's. Stop going to the Coliseum.

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We may not have a franchise in a few years. I wouldn't blame any NYI fan who goes to the games now regardless of how poor the club is.


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We may not have a franchise in a few years. I wouldn't blame any NYI fan who goes to the games now regardless of how poor the club is.
It's going to take a while but I am making a point to try to wean myself off this team slowly. I think there are others far ahead of me. This will be my first year I do not plan on going to any game (costs...if they don't commit...why should I?...) Being a fan here is just not good for my health and sure as hell won't be in 2015.

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and what did philly do tonight when faced with the 1-3-1 Trap? Absolutely nothing and stood still for 30 seconds at a time til the refs were forced to blow a whistle for not playing the puck

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I understand where you're coming from, but none of our players are playing with Jagr, Briere or Pronger.

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It's going to take a while but I am making a point to try to wean myself off this team slowly. I think there are others far ahead of me. This will be my first year I do not plan on going to any game (costs...if they don't commit...why should I?...) Being a fan here is just not good for my health and sure as hell won't be in 2015.
For my own kooky reasons this offseason I believed that this team can make a run and grab the 7th or 8th seed and decided after all these years it was time to invest in seasons since the price went down. So me and a friend did just that and it already was a bad mistake watching this team play uninspired every home game. This season is my breaking point and I just might start weaning myself off of them as well. Can't deal with this anymore.

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Man, looking at the Flyer's stats, it seems like everyone is producing, I wish the Islanders stats looked like this.

2011-12 Scoring for Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)
# Name Pos GP G A Pts PIM +/- Birthdate Age Birthplace Hght Wght
28 Claude Giroux R 14 9 10 19 8 4 1988-01-12 23 Hearst, ONT 5.11 172
68 Jaromir Jagr R 14 6 9 15 8 6 1972-02-15 39 Kladno, Czech 6.02 240
48 Daniel Briere C 12 4 8 12 14 2 1977-10-06 33 Gatineau, PQ 5.10 181
21 James Van Riemsdyk L 13 6 6 12 10 0 1989-05-04 22 Middletown, NJ 6.03 190
19 Scott Hartnell L 14 5 7 12 16 7 1982-04-18 29 Regina, SASK 6.02 210
44 Kimmo Timonen D 14 0 10 10 6 4 1975-03-18 36 Kuopio, Finland 5.10 196
27 Maxime Talbot C 14 5 3 8 4 0 1984-02-11 27 Lemoyne, PQ 5.11 185
14 Sean Couturier C 14 5 3 8 0 9 1992-12-07 18 Phoenix, AZ 6.04 191
25 Matt Carle D 14 3 5 8 10 4 1984-09-25 26 Anchorage, AK 6.00 205
93 Jakub Voracek R 14 3 5 8 8 0 1989-08-15 22 Kladno, Czech Rep. 6.01 205
20 Chris Pronger D 8 1 6 7 4 2 1974-10-10 36 Dryden, ONT 6.06 210


From superstar Claude Giroux, to 39 year old Jaromir Jagr averaging almost a point a game, to 18 year old Sean Couturier scoring 5 goals and 8 points in 14 games (I hope this doesn't mimic the 1990 draft with Couturier as jagr and Strome as Scissons). Seems like everyone is producing. Hell, even Pronger was almost at a point a game. Three D-men with 7 or more points, we don't even have 3 forwards with 7 or more points. Color me jealous.
Do you want for the Islanders to buy FAs like Jagr?Pronger?Briere? As pointed out only 3 of those guys are home grown. That is fine. At this point why not root for them?
Philly has played 3 more games than us and have 9 points more. (I figured I would throw out numbers since you did)
Its funny how you put this up and the Flyers website put up how the "veterans guiding young flyers" and how they are "shaping a young team" to when you open up the article it then becomes "steady vets guiding flyers" You are right they are definitely not young, and are the anti Islanders.

I dont know why people think that is so great, and the proof is in the results, which are 0 cups for the flyers in a long time.
That's all that matters. Let them have their shiny Vets (see what I did there) and I will wait and see what happens to this team the last 70 games of this season.

Oh and Strome isnt even in the NHL, why are you worried about that? How dare he not be here! Damn.... we dont rush a kid and we wrong and we do (like Bailey) and we are wrong. People need to vent about **** but vent about Wang and the way he runs things, Strome vs Courtier? Way too soon!

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Do you want for the Islanders to buy FAs like Jagr?Pronger?Briere? As pointed out only 3 of those guys are home grown. That is fine. At this point why not root for them?
Philly has played 3 more games than us and have 9 points more. (I figured I would throw out numbers since you did)
Its funny how you put this up and the Flyers website put up how the "veterans guiding young flyers" and how they are "shaping a young team" to when you open up the article it then becomes "steady vets guiding flyers" You are right they are definitely not young, and are the anti Islanders.

I dont know why people think that is so great, and the proof is in the results, which are 0 cups for the flyers in a long time.That's all that matters. Let them have their shiny Vets (see what I did there) and I will wait and see what happens to this team the last 70 games of this season.

Oh and Strome isnt even in the NHL, why are you worried about that? How dare he not be here! Damn.... we dont rush a kid and we wrong and we do (like Bailey) and we are wrong. People need to vent about **** but vent about Wang and the way he runs things, Strome vs Courtier? Way too soon!
Your right about the cups but at least they are in the game. The Isles basically are the fat uncoordinated kid who wets himself when the ball is hit to him.

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Do you want for the Islanders to buy FAs like Jagr?Pronger?Briere? As pointed out only 3 of those guys are home grown. That is fine. At this point why not root for them?
I think you're being disingenuous here. It's not like the Islanders are exclusively home grown talent. Of the Islanders' current 22-man roster, 13 of them are players acquired from other teams, whether it be via free agency, waivers, or trades.

The major difference between the two clubs is when Philly brings in (or "buys" as you put it) players, they bring in good players. Where the Flyers bring in the likes of Jagr, Pronger, Briere, and Hartnell the Isles counter by bringing in the likes of Staios, Rolston, Parenteau and Reasoner.

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You are right they are definitely not young, and are the anti Islanders.
Philly average age (20-man roster) - 27.5 years old
NYI average age (20-man roster) - 28.15 years old

Actually, as you can see above, the Islanders actually have an older roster than the Flyers. And my calculations didn't include Nabokov and Mottau in them. If you include both those guys, the Isles are even older.

The Isles, as a team, aren't as young as you think. What makes it seem that way is because the youngsters they do have are counted on to basically carry the team, while the numerous veterans they have are pretty much dead weight.

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Not even 2 years.

1 off-season.
Because contrary to what some clueless Islander finds have been tricked into believing, winning does not require losing, and losing does not lead to winning.

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I think you're being disingenuous here. It's not like the Islanders are exclusively home grown talent. Of the Islanders' current 22-man roster, 13 of them are players acquired from other teams, whether it be via free agency, waivers, or trades.

The major difference between the two clubs is when Philly brings in (or "buys" as you put it) players, they bring in good players. Where the Flyers bring in the likes of Jagr, Pronger, Briere, and Hartnell the Isles counter by bringing in the likes of Staios, Rolston, Parenteau and Reasoner.



Philly average age (20-man roster) - 27.5 years old
NYI average age (20-man roster) - 28.15 years old

Actually, as you can see above, the Islanders actually have an older roster than the Flyers. And my calculations didn't include Nabokov and Mottau in them. If you include both those guys, the Isles are even older.

The Isles, as a team, aren't as young as you think. What makes it seem that way is because the youngsters they do have are counted on to basically carry the team, while the numerous veterans they have are pretty much dead weight.
Best post I have ever seen, totally agree and if I believe you said you weren't an Isles fan... A lot of our fans have been hypnotized by (Wang Snow) that we are on "the right track"... This post tels it like it is!!!

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I think you're being disingenuous here. It's not like the Islanders are exclusively home grown talent. Of the Islanders' current 22-man roster, 13 of them are players acquired from other teams, whether it be via free agency, waivers, or trades.

The major difference between the two clubs is when Philly brings in (or "buys" as you put it) players, they bring in good players. Where the Flyers bring in the likes of Jagr, Pronger, Briere, and Hartnell the Isles counter by bringing in the likes of Staios, Rolston, Parenteau and Reasoner.
Oh I get it.
All I am saying is that the Isles have tried to bring in guys and failed. We are not the Flyers or Rags. Certain parts of this fanbase think that it is as easy as waiving money at guys and they want to come here.
To me bringing in those guys (even if the Isles brought in Ehrhoff and a wing to play with Tavares) means that those guys are hired guns. They went with the money and where they thought that they were going to win.....instead of being the man.
Rags have done it for years. Them and the Flyers have 1 cup between them with billions spent in the last 20 years.



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The Isles, as a team, aren't as young as you think. What makes it seem that way is because the youngsters they do have are counted on to basically carry the team, while the numerous veterans they have are pretty much dead weight.
Yes to Mottau, DP and Staios (being dead weight). No to Reasoner, no to Nabby (they both have value).

Really people are saying the Isles are unexperienced and have no good vets. That is disingenuous.

All my thing is that if people complain, their complaints obviously mean nothing to the owner and GM, why not jump ship? Ill be here (as an Isles fan). These boards are pissed we are 4-6-2 and act like we are doomed this season. With 70 games to go. If these fans are right why watch the games? or why not watch another team? That might make a few happier around here.
I am happy and I see progress, sorry not everyone else sees it (right now)......I'll never be able to change their minds. Oh well.

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I am an Isles fan always... Just can't stand that this once proud franchise has been run into the ground and I don't see a way out until Wang sells... I thought he was great when he bought the team and made nice moves to suck us back in during 2002 then it all went BAD AGAIN!!!

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