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11-08-2011, 09:48 AM
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Easy Solutions To Make The Playoffs

The Islanders looked like a playoff team toward the end of last year and I'm sorry but I don't buy the pressure was off because we couldn't make the playoffs rationale as the reason that we played well. There are easy ways to correct the early season difficulties:
1) Start Al Montoya-we shouldn't sacrifice our season showcasing Nabokov or wasting another season with DP. We won with Montoya last year we can do so again.
2) Young Legs-Ironically Mike Milbury indicted our front office last night and debunked the theory of many here about veteran leadership. We have the most vets over 33 than any other team. NO MORE DEVIL'S REJECTS-if Pandolfo, Rolston and Mottau are too slow to play for the Devils they're too slow to play here. Bring up Haley and Wishart (if he clears waivers). Wishart was plus 5 last year. He has to be better than Mottau.
3) One System- Do what we did last year with the modifications to Gordon's creative system (with one D in front at all times) No more trap!!!
4) Skate 3 lines- more ice team will increase KO, Bails. Comeau and Grabner's confidence and production. If they produce like last year we'll be good.

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11-08-2011, 09:56 AM
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"Young Legs" and "Skate three lines"???? You must be kidding. Okposo, Bailey and Comeau have been absolute disasters thus far. Sad part is I don't know what you do at this point. I think it much more likely we finish bottom three in league than top 10 in the conference....and I am generally optimistic when it comes to the Isles. What is frustrating is that unlike the OP, I don't see a way out of this if Okposo, Bailey and Comeau don't turn it arounf ASAP.

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"Young Legs" and "Skate three lines"???? You must be kidding. Okposo, Bailey and Comeau have been absolute disasters thus far. Sad part is I don't know what you do at this point. I think it much more likely we finish bottom three in league than top 10 in the conference....and I am generally optimistic when it comes to the Isles. What is frustrating is that unlike the OP, I don't see a way out of this if Okposo, Bailey and Comeau don't turn it arounf ASAP.
I agree the best way out of this is for Kyle, Josh and Blake to turn it around ASAP and that is why I'm suggesting 3 lines. The more ice time and responsibility some players get the better they respond. It makes very little sense for Pandolfo and Rolston to get ice time at their expense. Bailey's best stretch was last year when Tavares had a concussion and Bailey was getting more time. He then got the hip injury and never got it back.
It's only 12 games into the season I'm not willing to write off the season. We did look like a playoff team at the end of last year.

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I agree the best way out of this is for Kyle, Josh and Blake to turn it around ASAP and that is why I'm suggesting 3 lines. The more ice time and responsibility some players get the better they respond. It makes very little sense for Pandolfo and Rolston to get ice time at their expense. Bailey's best stretch was last year when Tavares had a concussion and Bailey was getting more time. He then got the hip injury and never got it back.
It's only 12 games into the season I'm not willing to write off the season. We did look like a playoff team at the end of last year.
The crux to that is that you are letting players who are currently playing poorly and hurting us by playing poorly more of a chance to fail.
I agree guys need a chance to improve but we cant just hope.

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The Islanders looked like a playoff team toward the end of last year and I'm sorry but I don't buy the pressure was off because we couldn't make the playoffs rationale as the reason that we played well. There are easy ways to correct the early season difficulties:
1) Start Al Montoya-we shouldn't sacrifice our season showcasing Nabokov or wasting another season with DP. We won with Montoya last year we can do so again.
2) Young Legs-Ironically Mike Milbury indicted our front office last night and debunked the theory of many here about veteran leadership. We have the most vets over 33 than any other team. NO MORE DEVIL'S REJECTS-if Pandolfo, Rolston and Mottau are too slow to play for the Devils they're too slow to play here. Bring up Haley and Wishart (if he clears waivers). Wishart was plus 5 last year. He has to be better than Mottau.
3) One System- Do what we did last year with the modifications to Gordon's creative system (with one D in front at all times) No more trap!!!
4) Skate 3 lines- more ice team will increase KO, Bails. Comeau and Grabner's confidence and production. If they produce like last year we'll be good.
All 4 of those things still leads to a lottery pick. This is not a playoff caliber team. Last year, this year or last February. Long way to go...

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2) Young Legs-Ironically Mike Milbury indicted our front office last night and debunked the theory of many here about veteran leadership. We have the most vets over 33 than any other team. NO MORE DEVIL'S REJECTS-if Pandolfo, Rolston and Mottau are too slow to play for the Devils they're too slow to play here. Bring up Haley and Wishart (if he clears waivers). Wishart was plus 5 last year. He has to be better than Mottau.
Those players aren't on the team to make the team better or provide leadership. They're on the team so the Islanders can make the cap floor. That's all.

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11-08-2011, 01:28 PM
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The crux to that is that you are letting players who are currently playing poorly and hurting us by playing poorly more of a chance to fail.
I agree guys need a chance to improve but we cant just hope.
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What I feel is that Bailey, KO and Comeau have a better chance of developing their skills and become more consistent then Rolston becoming 5 years younger and getting his game back. I believe that Haley and Wishart will develop their skill before Pandolfo and Mottau get younger legs.

Over the last 20 years or so, since Bill Torrey was replaced by Don Maloney I've seen our team acquire veteran "character" leaders such as Kirk Muller, Wendell Clark, Trevor Linden, Ryan Smyth, Bill Guerin and Doug Weight only to realize that they no longer had the legs to be effective. Only to have players who were in the first 3 years of their pro careers, Bryan McCabe, Todd Bertuzzi, Roberto Luongo, Zdeno Chara, J.P. Dumont, Ollie Jokinen and a draft pick that turned out to be Jason Spezza all spend 10 plus productive years in the league with other franchises because we gave up on them too early.

If we trade Bailey it should be for another young player like Luke Schenn or Sam Gagner rather than Dustin Penner or Scott Gomez.

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The only way the isles will get better is if Wang decides to open up his check book and buy some real talent. He can start by handing a blank check to Shea Weber.

Its embarrassing to have 2 camp try outs make the team. Its even more embarrassing that one of them is on our top defense pair.

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The only way the isles will get better is if Wang decides to open up his check book and buy some real talent. He can start by handing a blank check to Shea Weber.
Or Zach Parise.

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If we trade Bailey it should be for another young player like Luke Schenn or Sam Gagner rather than Dustin Penner or Scott Gomez.
You mean if we trade Bailey, Okposo, and possibly Comeau, we might get Schenn or Gagner.

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Or Zach Parise.
Both would be better. As Redbull has pointed out many times, the Isles are circumventing the cap floor with all their bonus BS contracts. Rolston and his 5mill cap hit will be gone next year. There will be lots of cap space to fill next year. Not that I'm getting my hopes up.

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What I feel is that Bailey, KO and Comeau have a better chance of developing their skills and become more consistent then Rolston becoming 5 years younger and getting his game back. I believe that Haley and Wishart will develop their skill before Pandolfo and Mottau get younger legs.

Over the last 20 years or so, since Bill Torrey was replaced by Don Maloney I've seen our team acquire veteran "character" leaders such as Kirk Muller, Wendell Clark, Trevor Linden, Ryan Smyth, Bill Guerin and Doug Weight only to realize that they no longer had the legs to be effective. Only to have players who were in the first 3 years of their pro careers, Bryan McCabe, Todd Bertuzzi, Roberto Luongo, Zdeno Chara, J.P. Dumont, Ollie Jokinen and a draft pick that turned out to be Jason Spezza all spend 10 plus productive years in the league with other franchises because we gave up on them too early.

If we trade Bailey it should be for another young player like Luke Schenn or Sam Gagner rather than Dustin Penner or Scott Gomez.
Actually, all of those players I bolded were RUSHED to the NHL and given roles beyond their capacity which resulted in stunted development. Once they were in an environment where they were groomed properly, they flourished. Go figure.

EXACTLY what is happening now.

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You mean if we trade Bailey, Okposo, and possibly Comeau, we might get Schenn or Gagner.
Schenn was a healthy scratch the other night and Gagner has been scratched for 6 straight games and I don't think that he's injured. Other teams are disappointed in their young players too so they may not have as much trade value as they did earlier. Gagner has 2 assists and no goals in 7 games; not much better than Bailey.

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Grabner-JT-Okposo......Grabs and JT looked good together...

Moulson-Neilson-PAP

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Grabner-JT-Okposo......Grabs and JT looked good together...

Moulson-Neilson-PAP
This is likely the least disruptive way to hopefully get things turned around for Kyle. I don't like rewarding an underacheiving player with better minutes/linemates, but Okposo (and his contract) are so integral to the rebuild that I think you may have to do this.

If Moulson isn't on Tavares' wing will the world spontaneously combust?

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the only easy solution to making the playoffs is to jump ship to another team like Trottier did....why do we do this to ourselves?

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The Islanders looked like a playoff team toward the end of last year and I'm sorry but I don't buy the pressure was off because we couldn't make the playoffs rationale as the reason that we played well. There are easy ways to correct the early season difficulties:
1) Start Al Montoya-we shouldn't sacrifice our season showcasing Nabokov or wasting another season with DP. We won with Montoya last year we can do so again.
2) Young Legs-Ironically Mike Milbury indicted our front office last night and debunked the theory of many here about veteran leadership. We have the most vets over 33 than any other team. NO MORE DEVIL'S REJECTS-if Pandolfo, Rolston and Mottau are too slow to play for the Devils they're too slow to play here. Bring up Haley and Wishart (if he clears waivers). Wishart was plus 5 last year. He has to be better than Mottau.
3) One System- Do what we did last year with the modifications to Gordon's creative system (with one D in front at all times) No more trap!!!
4) Skate 3 lines- more ice team will increase KO, Bails. Comeau and Grabner's confidence and production. If they produce like last year we'll be good.
i agree it really might be that simple

Pandolfo should not be anywhere near this roster

Eaton and mottau should be waived. bring up wishart, drop satios to third pairing

roll three lines let the 4th line be specialists (whereforearthou konopka)


keys to the good run were:

not having rolston, pandy, and eaton

steady goaltending from montoya

grit from martin haley and konopka

good play and lots of minutes for the youngsters

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keys to the good run were:

not having rolston, pandy, and eaton

steady goaltending from montoya

grit from martin haley and konopka

good play and lots of minutes for the youngsters
You forgot the part about meaningless games where the opposition played their backup goalie half the time.

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A major part is the unwillingness to spend the big bucks on worthy players. Everyone else is doing it..

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The Islanders looked like a playoff team toward the end of last year and I'm sorry but I don't buy the pressure was off because we couldn't make the playoffs rationale as the reason that we played well. There are easy ways to correct the early season difficulties:
1) Start Al Montoya-we shouldn't sacrifice our season showcasing Nabokov or wasting another season with DP. We won with Montoya last year we can do so again.
I'd rather see Montoya get most of the starts as well, but you can't claim that goaltending has anything to do with the Isles awful start.

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2) Young Legs-Ironically Mike Milbury indicted our front office last night and debunked the theory of many here about veteran leadership. We have the most vets over 33 than any other team. NO MORE DEVIL'S REJECTS-if Pandolfo, Rolston and Mottau are too slow to play for the Devils they're too slow to play here. Bring up Haley and Wishart (if he clears waivers). Wishart was plus 5 last year. He has to be better than Mottau.
The problem with the Isles isn't that they have veteran leadership, it's that the players suck. The problem is that Wishart sucks also--if he wasn't good enough to beat out Motteau or Staios in camp, what makes you think that he will lead a turnaround now?

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3) One System- Do what we did last year with the modifications to Gordon's creative system (with one D in front at all times) No more trap!!!
As I recall, Gordon's system got him run out of town. I'm not too eager to bring it back.

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4) Skate 3 lines- more ice team will increase KO, Bails. Comeau and Grabner's confidence and production. If they produce like last year we'll be good.
I disagree with this one most of all. The Isles 4th line has actually been one of our more effective so far this season--they don't score a lot but they get the puck deep and add a physical presence. Bailey and Comeau have scored a combined one point this season. Increasing their ice time is not the answer.

I'm sorry, but your suggestions would barely even be shifting deck chairs on the Titanic.

There are no easy solutions to turn the Isles into a playoff team. This roster needs a serious overhaul.

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Boy did Eric Nystrom just score a sweet goal for Dallas. Couldn't use him on our 4th line could we?

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You forgot the part about meaningless games where the opposition played their backup goalie half the time.
Oh come on man, seriously?

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Easy solution to make the Playoffs...

Streit holds a closed door meeting and shows this video to the team.

http://video.islanders.nhl.com/video...id=757&id=2480

But stops the tape before it gets to Milbury.

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