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11-14-2011, 12:17 PM
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I can never understand why people think it's okay to hit a goalie if he leaves his crease
Use to be in the AJHL, might still be. But from I gather if you ran the other goalie on purpose your goalie would be next to get it.

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I can never understand why people think it's okay to hit a goalie if he leaves his crease
Why shouldn't they be able too?

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Well I watched it and I'm glad Lucic hit him.

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Miller did nothing to help his case. Lucic is barreling full speed towards you, he leaves the crease to play the puck and doesn't try and dodge the hit, in fact it looks like he was bracing himself or trying to throw one himself.

It was an illegal play, but Lucic served his time in the box. if Shannaban gives him a suspension I will be shocked, and very disappointed.
I feel the exact opposite. If Lucic gets less than 5 I will be shocked and disappointed. Also the fact that he has an in-person hearing going on right now leads me to expect 5+

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I feel the exact opposite. If Lucic gets less than 5 I will be shocked and disappointed. Also the fact that he has an in-person hearing going on right now leads me to expect 5+

what? based on what? guys bump/hit goalies all the time, flying across the crease etc. on purpose or not, how do you hand a guy 5 for that. there was no contact with the head, as far as a 'hit' goes its clean, but it was a 'poor' goalie 20ft from his crease lifting his arm to what? brace ?

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what? based on what? guys bump/hit goalies all the time, flying across the crease etc. on purpose or not, how do you hand a guy 5 for that. there was no contact with the head, as far as a 'hit' goes its clean, but it was a 'poor' goalie 20ft from his crease lifting his arm to what? brace ?
There is no such thing as a clean hit on a goalie. This type of thing is actually quite rare now, not like before the trapezoid.

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I feel the exact opposite. If Lucic gets less than 5 I will be shocked and disappointed. Also the fact that he has an in-person hearing going on right now leads me to expect 5+
McKenzie was tweeting yesterday that it isn't rare to call an in person hearing for Lucic since the bruins have such a lul in their schedule. He said it doesn't necessarily mean he will get anything.

I've never heard this before but it sounds pretty common for Bobby.

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There is no such thing as a clean hit on a goalie. This type of thing is actually quite rare now, not like before the trapezoid.
Pretty much this. You can't hit a goalie and Lucic made no attempt to avoid contact after he was beaten to the puck. Also, he injured Miller.

They don't call you out to NY for a meeting if you are getting less than 5 from what I have seen.

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McKenzie was tweeting yesterday that it isn't rare to call an in person hearing for Lucic since the bruins have such a lul in their schedule. He said it doesn't necessarily mean he will get anything.

I've never heard this before but it sounds pretty common for Bobby.
This is news to me, does anyone have an example of a guy getting called in for a meeting and getting less than 5 games?

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McKenzie was tweeting yesterday that it isn't rare to call an in person hearing for Lucic since the bruins have such a lul in their schedule. He said it doesn't necessarily mean he will get anything.

I've never heard this before but it sounds pretty common for Bobby.

It was a phone call according to dreger..

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Well I watched it and I'm glad Lucic hit him.
Fair enough but that's a completely different debate.

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Pretty much this. You can't hit a goalie and Lucic made no attempt to avoid contact after he was beaten to the puck. Also, he injured Miller.

They don't call you out to NY for a meeting if you are getting less than 5.

you can hit a goalie though, lucic showed you that.... you cant trip, hook, impede, high stick, charge, hit to the head, put the puck over the glass etc. but guess what.

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Fair enough but that's a completely different debate.
LOL. I get a fair enough for that?

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It was a phone call according to dreger..
Link? It isn't in his twitter feed and http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=380418 seems to suggest that it was a meeting not a phone call.

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you can hit a goalie though, lucic showed you that.... you cant trip, hook, impede, high stick, charge, hit to the head, put the puck over the glass etc. but guess what.
Really, you're calling me out for not specifying that you can't legally hit a goalie? That needed to be spelled out to you?

And you are listing varying degrees of infractions. Hits to the head and running the goalie are worse offenses than tripping or holding.

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Link? It isn't in his twitter feed and http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=380418 seems to suggest that it was a meeting not a phone call.

he just said it on the team 1260 like 25 mins ago..

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It was a phone call according to dreger..
Yeah I went back and read the tweet. Guess he doesn't say in-person, just says has a hearing.

I've also heard that a lot of players who get called for an in-person hearing also opt to do it over the phone. Apparently that was one factor that Shanny took into the Sutton suspension is that he showed up for the hearing and didn't do it over the phone.

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LOL. I get a fair enough for that?
I'm not gonna lie I did enjoy it.

However what I said prior is what I think the consequences should be and for those reasons.

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Yeah I went back and read the tweet. Guess he doesn't say in-person, just says has a hearing.

I've also heard that a lot of players who get called for an in-person hearing also opt to do it over the phone. Apparently that was one factor that Shanny took into the Sutton suspension is that he showed up for the hearing and didn't do it over the phone.
I'd almost give an extra game if a guy elected not to do the in-person. Not really sure why guys have the option anyway.

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Link? It isn't in his twitter feed and http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=380418 seems to suggest that it was a meeting not a phone call.



Really, you're calling me out for not specifying that you can't legally hit a goalie? That needed to be spelled out to you?

And you are listing varying degrees of infractions. Hits to the head and running the goalie are worse offenses than tripping or holding.
more sarcasm than anything... my point is you cant 'do' anything 'illegal' as far as the rules go.... but they do, whatever it may be...

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you can hit a goalie though, lucic showed you that.... you cant trip, hook, impede, high stick, charge, hit to the head, put the puck over the glass etc. but guess what.
There's also a difference between hitting the goalie to take him out of the play and hitting the goalie to take him out of the game. Lucic was doing the later.

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I'm not gonna lie I did enjoy it.

However what I said prior is what I think the consequences should be and for those reasons.
I really hate the rule and love to see a goalie get hammered when he is wondering, but the fact remains it just isn't allowed. Heck you can be hit by the goalies teammate into him and still get a penalty. Guys need to do whatever is in their power to get out of the way.

I know Lucic will probably say that he got his hands up late because he was trying to protect himself and that he didn't cut away because he didn't want to rack his knee on Miller, but he's still guilty and Miller is now hurt.

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I'd almost give an extra game if a guy elected not to do the in-person. Not really sure why guys have the option anyway.
Yeah that makes sense to me. It shouldn't be an option.

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he just said it on the team 1260 like 25 mins ago..
Can anyone else back him up on this?

I suppose the meeting the TSN article was talking about could be taken as a phone call rather than in person. But normally TSN will specify which one. Perhaps it is just a call, in which case the suspension will probably be less than 5 games.

Which is too short imho. If you can concuss a goalie and knock him out for an indefinite period of time at a cost of a couple of games, we should be sending guys to run all the starting goalies in the NW. A minor suspension to significantly hurt our rival's playoff chances this season seems like a small price to pay. Teams only have 6 goalies under contract normally and the dropoff from 1 to 3 or 4 is pretty steep.

If Shanny doesn't step up and protect goalies, I think we're going to be seeing a lot more goalie hits in the near future.

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There's also a difference between hitting the goalie to take him out of the play and hitting the goalie to take him out of the game. Lucic was doing the later.
im sure he meant to hit him, no doubt.. but im sure he didnt plan on taking him out of the game injury wise.. imo miller asked for it, illegal or not. lucic got his penalty. the end.

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I really hate the rule and love to see a goalie get hammered when he is wondering, but the fact remains it just isn't allowed. Heck you can be hit by the goalies teammate into him and still get a penalty. Guys need to do whatever is in their power to get out of the way.

I know Lucic will probably say that he got his hands up late because he was trying to protect himself and that he didn't cut away because he didn't want to rack his knee on Miller, but he's still guilty and Miller is now hurt.
Pretty much my sentiment, go figure hey.

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