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11-14-2011, 10:03 AM
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CBJ/Edm



C Sam Gagner
RW Ales Hemsky
3rd '12




RW Cam Atkinson
C Derick Brassard
D John Moore

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11-14-2011, 10:07 AM
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C Sam Gagner
RW Ales Hemsky
3rd '12




RW Cam Atkinson
C Derick Brassard
D John Moore
WTF? Not, absolutely not. We have enough centers and Gagner is not so extra to get him, Hemsky is injury prone. And trade Moore and Atkinson for this package would be absolutely stupidity from Howson.

IMO Brassard will trade for g-man or for value to g-man.

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11-14-2011, 10:21 AM
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Moore is nice but the Oilers get the shaft on this one, EDM will pass

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11-14-2011, 10:34 AM
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from a value perspective I think CBJ win this deal. A healthy Hemsky is a top line talent and would look awesome on a wing with Nash. From a team direction stand point, I would think CBJ would have no interest in trading away 3 young players for a soon to be free agent, an average pick, and Gagner.

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11-14-2011, 10:37 AM
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from a value perspective I think CBJ win this deal. A healthy Hemsky is a top line talent and would look awesome on a wing with Nash. From a team direction stand point, I would think CBJ would have no interest in trading away 3 young players for a soon to be free agent, an average pick, and Gagner.
Healthy... but healthy Hemsky is something similar as Yetti.. every knows him but nobody saw him.

the next:

Carter, Johansen, Letestu... where do you see the place for Gagner? I do not see it.

Plus again, what we needs is a g-man not injury prone Hemsky and another center who is worse than Carter and Johansen. And sacrife for it one of our best defensive prospect and a player who is ideal in a package for g-man.

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from a value perspective I think CBJ win this deal. A healthy Hemsky is a top line talent and would look awesome on a wing with Nash. From a team direction stand point, I would think CBJ would have no interest in trading away 3 young players for a soon to be free agent, an average pick, and Gagner.
We may as well speculate on the value of Marc Savard without as many concussions since he is a point per game player with that little problem aside.

Since Hemsky is never healthy this entire post is pointless.

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Healthy... but healthy Hemsky is something similar as Yetti.. every knows him but nobody saw him.

the next:

Carter, Johansen, Letestu... where do you see the place for Gagner? I do not see it.

Plus again, what we needs is a g-man not injury prone Hemsky and another center who is worse than Carter and Johansen. And sacrife for it one of our best defensive prospect and a player who is ideal in a package for g-man.
Play gagner at wing.

And what is a g-man? goalie?

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Moore is nice but the Oilers get the shaft on this one, EDM will pass
Are you kidding? This is brutal for CBus.

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11-14-2011, 11:06 AM
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Play gagner at wing.

And what is a g-man? goalie?
We do not need him Huselius will return and the second line are Johansen and Prospal. Plus Atkinson with Kubalik (and maybe Mayorov) wait for their opportunity.

yes, goalie

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Play gagner at wing.

And what is a g-man? goalie?
I'm confused too, normally I'm down with the kids lingo these days, what with their hippin and their boppin

CBJ holds fast on this offer

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11-14-2011, 11:30 AM
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If selling someone on a healthy Hemsky ever works, let me know. I have some snake oil I would like to sell.

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Are you kidding? This is brutal for CBus.
Gagner and Derick Brassard is basically a lateral move, neither teams wins.

Moore a good prospect D, still a couple of years away for Hemsky. Oilers are loaded with good prospect D and doesn't help EDM. Hemsky may be playing bad now, but he's worth more then Moore.

Cam Atkinson 5'8" 6th round pick for a 2012 3rd now who gets the shaft here. The last thing the Oilers need is another small player.

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EDM can't trade Hemsky at this point. If they're out of it by the deadline, they will likely look to move him then.

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Healthy... but healthy Hemsky is something similar as Yetti.. every knows him but nobody saw him.
This alone makes for post of the day.

Anyway, this is a bad proposal for the CBJ.

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Gagner and Derick Brassard is basically a lateral move, neither teams wins.

Moore a good prospect D, still a couple of years away for Hemsky. Oilers are loaded with good prospect D and doesn't help EDM. Hemsky may be playing bad now, but he's worth more then Moore.

Cam Atkinson 5'8" 6th round pick for a 2012 3rd now who gets the shaft here. The last thing the Oilers need is another small player.
Atkinson was a HB finalist that made the team out of camp. Whether or not you "need" Moore doesn't affect his value or create incentive for CBus to trade him, and Hemsky is a UFA-to-be. What do the BlueJackets want with that? Help for their playoff push?

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11-14-2011, 11:49 AM
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Bad trade for both teams.

Columbus needs to upgrade its defense. While adding a healthy Hemsky would be nice, he's only got one year left and Columbus isn't looking like a contender. Trading away young players for a 1-year rental at this point is a big NO.

Gagner is nice but doesn't fill a need for Columbus. We have Carter, Johansen, Vermette, Brassard, Pahlsson, Mackenzie, and Letestu as centers (not to mention Umberger and Prospal who can win faceoffs). Moving him to wing doesn't really help much either.

John Moore is currently playing for the big club and is improving. We should hold onto him unless we can package him for a better defenseman.

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Moore is nice but the Oilers get the shaft on this one, EDM will pass
i'm just going to go ahead and read this as you forgot the because Hemsky is never going to be healthy enough for this to make any sense for the Jackets...

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11-14-2011, 12:07 PM
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Moore is nice but the Oilers get the shaft on this one, EDM will pass
LOL? Hemsky will be lucky to play 20 more games. I wouldnt trade Moore for that package. Brass for Hemsky straight up.

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this will be a fun thread

Interesting trade

As an oiler fan I like the deal--but bj fans should be pointing out that HEmsky is a soon to be UA

they should come back Moore + Brassard for Gagner and MPS

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11-14-2011, 12:13 PM
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C Sam Gagner
RW Ales Hemsky
3rd '12




RW Cam Atkinson
C Derick Brassard
D John Moore
Cam Atkinson is another 5'8 scorer than Edmonton doesn't need.

John Moore is vanilla. Not a huge scorer and not very physical. Decent prospect but not someone Edmonton should be targeting.

I would do Gagner straight up for Brassard but this proposal sucks.

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Atkinson was a HB finalist that made the team out of camp. Whether or not you "need" Moore doesn't affect his value or create incentive for CBus to trade him, and Hemsky is a UFA-to-be. What do the BlueJackets want with that? Help for their playoff push?
Sorry but college isn't the NHL, especially when you're 5'8.

What is so great about Moore besides being a former 1st round pick. Good skater and......crickets

Gagner and Hemsky aren't great pieces but neither are Cbus' spare parts.

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Sorry but college isn't the NHL, especially when you're 5'8.

What is so great about Moore besides being a former 1st round pick. Good skater and......crickets

Gagner and Hemsky aren't great pieces but neither are Cbus' spare parts.
Hemsky will be our support in press box... when Huselius with Dekanich will return. And Gagner will alternate in the third, checking line. Than we can put the chair to our net because we lost one of possible values for goalie trade.

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Can't speak for Columbus but it doesn't look great for the Oilers.

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Cam Atkinson is another 5'8 scorer than Edmonton doesn't need.

John Moore is vanilla. Not a huge scorer and not very physical. Decent prospect but not someone Edmonton should be targeting.

I would do Gagner straight up for Brassard but this proposal sucks.
Maybe you did not see Moore this year.. he plays PK and very good he is good in the place in the front of the net what he cleans quite good he is one of or the best defensmen in the defense part of play I am really shocked and pleasant suprised. He is not vanilla anymore.

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SWEET PROPOSAL. Helps both teams imo: Hemsky helps CBJ win more games this year so they miss out on Yakupov and prolongs their everlasting rebuild. Prospects to EDM for proven talent helps them probally miss the playoffs this year also prolonging their rebuild. As you can probally tell I think this is a horrible trade for both teams and it's clear you put little to no thought into it. I don't think there's ever been a lowest team in the league willing to give up prospects for a rental. Usually rentals go to the higher teams in the league or the mid teams trying to get a boost and make the playoffs. Also usually teams that could be in the playoff hunt aren't the sellers. Right now the Oilers are 4th in their conference. Basically you got the roles reversed. If anything the CBJ's will be the sellers and EDM will be the one's acquiring the rental. Maybe something like Huselius or Prospal at the deadline for a 2nd or B-ish level prospect.

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