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Fedorov, Mogilny or Bure

View Poll Results: Which Russian would you pick if you could only choose one?
Sergei Federov: All around player, playmaker, defensively sound 58 77.33%
Pavel Bure: Russian Rocket, pure explosion and goal-scoring threat 13 17.33%
Alexander Mogilny: Not just a goal scoring winger, but playmaker also. 4 5.33%
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11-10-2011, 04:43 PM
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Fedorov, Mogilny or Bure

If you could pick one of these Russians to be on your team as a rookie(of course he'd eventually develop into the player he was in his prime), which one would you pick?

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Fedorov and it's not even remotely close.

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Bure for me, but I was a huge fan of his as a kid. Coin flip for Fedorov and I'll be happy either way.

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FWIW:

Sergei Federov career totals:

1248GP 483G 696A 1179P 839 PIM
183Playoffs 52G 124A 176P 133PIM

Awards
Year League Award
1993-94 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy
1993-94 NHL Frank J. Selke Trophy
1993-94 NHL Lester B. Pearson Trophy
1995-96 NHL Frank J. Selke Trophy


Alexander Mogilny:
990GP 473G 559A 1032P 432PIM
124Playoffs 39G 47A 86P 58PIM
Award
2002-03 NHL Lady Byng Memorial Trophy

Pavel Bure:
702GP 437G 342A 779P 484PIM
64Playoffs 35G 35A 70P 74PIM

Awards
Year League Award
1991-92 NHL Calder Memorial Trophy
1999-00 NHL Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy
2000-01 NHL Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy

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Fedorov and it's not even remotely close.
When I look at these guys I think of 3 very different career paths.

Bure almost single-handedly got Vancouver into a Stanley Cup finals.

Mogilny had a great line with LaFontaine and Andreychuk. But he was a tremendous playmaking winger, with excellent speed, vision, and mobility.

Federov, was insulated in Detroit with many talented players playing alongside him.

For longevity purposes, I think Federov was the no-brainer pick. But for me, I went with Mogilny. It's rare to have a winger come along who's not just a consistent goal scoring threat, but a playmaking one as well.

Bure was an incredible goal scorer without a doubt. Hard to not give him the consideration.

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Fedorov easily.

Fedorov vs. Ovechkin would be a more interesting comparison IMO.

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For longevity purposes, I think Federov was the no-brainer pick. But for me, I went with Mogilny. It's rare to have a winger come along who's not just a consistent goal scoring threat, but a playmaking one as well.
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Funny, "consistent" is the last word most of us would use to describe Mogilny.

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Bure almost single-handedly got Vancouver into a Stanley Cup finals.
You're thinking of Kirk McLean. Easy mistake.

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Fedorov, his overall game puts him above Bure or Mogilny.

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Does Bure get career threatening injuries? If so then it's really not close. But if not I'd lean towards him. I don't like the fact that Fedorov was only dominant for 1 season. As for defense, I consider it less important than offense when it comes to top 6 forwards. Give defensive responsibilities to a 3rd liner and let Bure win the Richard trophy every damn year.

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Fedorov, his overall game puts him above Bure or Mogilny.
I'd take Pavel Bure.

Fedorov's Hart Trophy season was awesome and was arguably a higher peak than what Bure put together at his single season peak, but Bure had 5 50+ goal seasons in less than 1000 games. Fedorov pulled his regular season disappearing act far too often, and probably wouldn't have worked on any team not in Detroit. I enjoyed Mogilny as a Leaf but he was a totally frustrating player who didn't put it together very often. A more mercurial Kovalev, basically.

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I'd take Pavel Bure.

Fedorov's Hart Trophy season was awesome and was arguably a higher peak than what Bure put together at his single season peak, but Bure had 5 50+ goal seasons in less than 1000 games. Fedorov pulled his regular season disappearing act far too often, and probably wouldn't have worked on any team not in Detroit. I enjoyed Mogilny as a Leaf but he was a totally frustrating player who didn't put it together very often. A more mercurial Kovalev, basically.
If anything, Fedorov should get more credit for realizing the playoffs are all that matters if you play on a stacked team, rather than it being seen as a detriment.

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Fedorov.

He wins you trophies.

He wasn't a passenger on those Detroit teams, but a key cog.

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If anything, Fedorov should get more credit for realizing the playoffs are all that matters if you play on a stacked team, rather than it being seen as a detriment.
I'd rather have the superstar who always brought his best than the guy who signs a fat contract and takes most of the year off.

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If anything, Fedorov should get more credit for realizing the playoffs are all that matters if you play on a stacked team, rather than it being seen as a detriment.
Exactly. I, at least, think that a player's performance has to be judged based on what his team needs. Underperforming in the regular season is more acceptable if you're playing on a team that's going to be a top seed anyway. And let's not forget that Fedorov - unlike Mogilny and Bure - was very good defensively even when his scoring declined.

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With the benefit of the hindsight, I would take Fedorov due to longevity.
But if there was a chance than Bure could avoid his health problems, I would take Bure.

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I'd rather have the superstar who always brought his best than the guy who signs a fat contract and takes most of the year off.
we all would. but none of these three guys "always brought his best."

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we all would. but none of these three guys "always brought his best."
Very true. If ever the statement "he'd be happier to score a goal and have his team lose than not score and have his team win" were true, it would be about Bure.

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Fedorov, his overall game puts him above Bure or Mogilny.
Feds could help you win in multiple ways. Offense, shutdown forward, or even playing defense.

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I'd rather have the superstar who always brought his best than the guy who signs a fat contract and takes most of the year off.
If I have this right, you're attempting to argue in favor of Pavel Bure under the category of heart?

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Fedorov during the regular season was no different than Bure. Sergei is one of those very odd cases where if he wasn't fully interested in a game it was offensively that he disappeared. He never shirked his defensive duties. And Bure never cared defensively at any time so really it's a wash on the levels of effort either player put in during the regular season. It's just that come playoff time Fedorov owned every zone of the rink.

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Funny, "consistent" is the last word most of us would use to describe Mogilny.
Same thing that I was thinking when I read that post, he might be the most skilled of the 3 but was the most inconsistent of the 3 IMO.

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Does Bure get career threatening injuries? If so then it's really not close. But if not I'd lean towards him. I don't like the fact that Fedorov was only dominant for 1 season. As for defense, I consider it less important than offense when it comes to top 6 forwards. Give defensive responsibilities to a 3rd liner and let Bure win the Richard trophy every damn year.
If it is a fantasy league then sure take Bure.

I considered the what if's too and I wouldn't have Bowman as my coach for Federov either and hes still the best all around of the 3 and a rock in the playoffs.

Bure was the best goal scorer to be sure but Federov's defensive games is what trumps him.

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FWIW:

Sergei Federov career totals:

1248GP 483G 696A 1179P 839 PIM
183Playoffs 52G 124A 176P 133PIM

Awards
Year League Award
1993-94 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy
1993-94 NHL Frank J. Selke Trophy
1993-94 NHL Lester B. Pearson Trophy
1995-96 NHL Frank J. Selke Trophy


Alexander Mogilny:
990GP 473G 559A 1032P 432PIM
124Playoffs 39G 47A 86P 58PIM
Award
2002-03 NHL Lady Byng Memorial Trophy
1992/93 Rocket Richard trophy.

Pavel Bure:
702GP 437G 342A 779P 484PIM
64Playoffs 35G 35A 70P 74PIM

Awards
Year League Award
1991-92 NHL Calder Memorial Trophy
1999-00 NHL Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy
2000-01 NHL Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy
I know the Rocket wasn't given out until 1999, But it's a crime to not give Mogilny credit for leading league with 76 goals.

Mogilny would have close to 600 goals if he hadn't been kept from playing due to so many injuries.

It's a shame these three never played on a line together in the NHL... they seriously would have tore **** up.

I pick Pavel only in hopes that his knees wouldn't get blown out, and he didn't play for the Vanny Cansucks.

that being said, if history is to completely repeat itself, its Fedorov alll day.

I was really excited to see him traded to the Ducks, but in retrospect, he made a horrible decision not staying with the Red Wings.

I'm sure he wouldn't have left the NHL in the way he did, if he had stuck with the Wings. plus, him and Datsyuk on the penalty kill would have been pretty epic.

Federov winning the Hart, Selke, and being the runner up for the Art Ross, is pretty much the most impressive single season since Mario's 1992/1993 season.

Although, I wonder if he still would have won the Selke, had he played a bit more offensive and won the Art Ross.

I wonder if we will ever see someone win the Selke and Art Ross in the same season... It's a lot more likely than the Norris + Art Ross.


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As a forever Blackhawk fan, I'm embarrassed to admit that my all-time favorite forward is not Toews or Kane, or Savard, or Roenick, or even Mikita or Hull.

It's Mogilny. You ask me to build a team of all-time greats, he'd be on my first line.

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