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11-11-2011, 03:56 PM
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We still need that replacement for Simmonds.

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11-11-2011, 03:57 PM
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Loktionov will be getting about 14 minutes a night on the 3rd line I don't see how that's useless

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11-11-2011, 03:59 PM
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DL makes roster decisions.

Couturier is playing mostly bottom six minutes and on the PK because he can. Loktionov can't, he's useless in that role.
I don't agree. He would be fine on the 3rd line centering Stoll on his RW and Clifford or Richardson on his LW.

The Richards and Kopitar lines are playing against the other teams' top lines anyway, so might as well look for some added offense from the 3rd line.

BTW folks, Drew Doughty -

not the sharpest knife in the drawer, or

dumb as a box of rocks

I don't think there can be a 3rd choice until he proves he is smarter than what he showed last night.

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11-11-2011, 04:02 PM
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I still find it amusing that you guys are confusing the lack of offense with the lack of goals, they are two distinctly different things.

You can have a very offensive game and score 2 goals, it's rare, but you can also score 5 goals and be very poor offensively.

It's a difference between getting the chances, which the Kings are getting, and FINISHING the chances, which they are not.

Lotkionov will not change that people.
He would on the 3rd line. I don't think they are generating many chances.

I like Penner's play more recently on Richards' line. He needs to keep shooting the low, hard wristers from the top of the circle and the high slot. Good things will happen.

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11-11-2011, 04:04 PM
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This is about Penner

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Loktionov will be getting about 14 minutes a night on the 3rd line I don't see how that's useless

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go back to page 39 then page 2 under How did Penner look last night I said Penner didnt look like a 4.3 million dollar player and never will , then after getting slambed for saying this we said we would look at it again at mid season my opinion hasnt changed has yours.

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11-11-2011, 04:05 PM
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What's with the Doughty hate? JJ had two horrible giveaways, one which Doughty bailed him out of. He was also part of both goals. He was our best defenseman, besides one stupid penalty.

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11-11-2011, 04:14 PM
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What's with the Doughty hate? JJ had two horrible giveaways, one which Doughty bailed him out of. He was also part of both goals. He was our best defenseman, besides one stupid penalty.
A REALLY stupid penalty. How many times did he think he was going to be allowed to chosscheck and punch Kessler in the back of the head before it was called?

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11-11-2011, 04:17 PM
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besides one stupid penalty.
That lead directly to a goal, in a game which the Kings lost by 1. Doughty's an idiot, even more so because he drew the ref's attention to him just before he hit Kessler for the 5th time.

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11-11-2011, 04:19 PM
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So what? It was a stupid penalty, who knows what he was thinking. Doesn't change the fact he was one of the best for the rest of the game and by far the best D.

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11-11-2011, 04:20 PM
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Doughty has a penchant for taking stupid penalties, going back to last season. Not sure when he developed this stupidity, but he's been rather irresponsible since I was watched him in pre-season games last season. I sense a bit of entitlement from him.

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11-11-2011, 04:21 PM
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So what? It was a stupid penalty, who knows what he was thinking. Doesn't change the fact he was one of the best for the rest of the game and by far the best D.
Which doesn't change the fact that his stupid penalty put the Kings 2 men down for a full two minutes.


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Doughty has a penchant for taking stupid penalties, going back to last season. Not sure when he developed this stupidity, but he's been rather irresponsible since I was watched him in pre-season games last season. I sense a bit of entitlement from him.
DING! DING! We have a winner! Doughty thinks he is playing like a Norris-calibre defenseman when his actual play is far from it.

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11-11-2011, 04:27 PM
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I doubt that's it. He's just getting frustrated. He needs to work on his penchant for stupid penalties, I agree. He's still our most talented player and had a good 59 minutes.

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11-11-2011, 04:34 PM
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I doubt that's it. He's just getting frustrated. He needs to work on his penchant for stupid penalties, I agree. He's still our most talented player and had a good 59 minutes.
He might be the most talented, but he is a far cry from being the best. See Kopitar, Anze.

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11-11-2011, 04:40 PM
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... but if TM decided to send him down after he was one of the best forwards in the preseason, that should give you a little insight on TM's competence.
I'll bet that decision was made in the executive suite.



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... this coaching staff is laughable, the thought that they would need to bring in lotki to fix the offense just shows how terrible our coaching staff is.
We really can't rely on a rookie to resolve team play issues. That's just the fastest way to screw up a prospect.

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11-11-2011, 04:45 PM
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We still need that replacement for Simmonds.
We need Frolov. He's the guy that made that 3rd line click. We were all to focused on him not being as good as he could have been and forgot that a unfocused Frolov made the players around him better. Hell, 20 goals from a 3rd liner sounds good to me these days!

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11-11-2011, 04:46 PM
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So what? It was a stupid penalty, who knows what he was thinking. Doesn't change the fact he was one of the best for the rest of the game and by far the best D.
Willie Mitchell hit Couture in the back of the head and put them down two men, but it's not as big of a deal when there's no contract selfishness meme to push there.

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11-11-2011, 04:54 PM
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Using some common sense, was it really necessary for Doughty to continuously cross check Kesler? He's taking himself out of the play doing that, and of course the risk of putting your team down for a full two minutes on a 5 minute kill is selfish. Just look at what Terry Murray says about the penalty:
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11-11-2011, 05:06 PM
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Why do people keep thinking I'm defending the penalty. I'm just saying he more than made up for out with his play for the rest of the game. People here seem to be rooting against him, though. Like they want to see him fail.

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11-11-2011, 05:08 PM
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Willie Mitchell hit Couture in the back of the head and put them down two men, but it's not as big of a deal when there's no contract selfishness meme to push there.
Quick, count the number of selfish, me-first plays Willie Mitchell has made since becoming a King.

...you should be done already, and you could even argue that was accidental, as his hand rode up.

Doughty has shown a primadonna-ish attitude for a while, and his discipline has been awful. Most of it is the desire to be 'the guy' and a burning will to win, but he needs a coach to hold him somewhat accountable. He was actively TRYING to take a penalty, it seems.

I almost wonder if he would be more effective if he were asked to focus on D-first, much like he did with Canada.

Edit: I agree with you that he had a great rest of the game.

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11-11-2011, 05:18 PM
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Willie Mitchell hit Couture in the back of the head and put them down two men, but it's not as big of a deal when there's no contract selfishness meme to push there.
Yeah, bad penalty. Did he hit Couture 4 or 5 times before it was finally called?

How often does Mitchell take a "bad" penalty? How often does Doughty?

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11-11-2011, 05:20 PM
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Using some common sense, was it really necessary for Doughty to continuously cross check Kesler? He's taking himself out of the play doing that, and of course the risk of putting your team down for a full two minutes on a 5 minute kill is selfish. Just look at what Terry Murray says about the penalty:
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"The other part of it is, you can’t take that second penalty. You get that five-minute major, and you cannot take a second penalty. It is what it is. It’s a cross-check penalty. You can’t have that. You’ve got to play around that guy. He’s a tripod in front of the net, screening the goalie. Play around him.”
Gee Terry, then why didn't you bench his ass for the rest of the 1st period and maybe part of the 2nd?

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Why do people keep thinking I'm defending the penalty. I'm just saying he more than made up for out with his play for the rest of the game. People here seem to be rooting against him, though. Like they want to see him fail.
No one wants to see Doughty fail. That's BS!

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Why do people keep thinking I'm defending the penalty. I'm just saying he more than made up for out with his play for the rest of the game. People here seem to be rooting against him, though. Like they want to see him fail.
I've been arguing the same thing for weeks, its pointless....as soon as you get paid, people on these boards turn on you. People should go back and read the threads/posts about Kopi after he got his new deal....how much better Statsny is and what not. Also how "Doughty cost the Kings the game"...and yet nothing about the 5 MIN MAJOR.

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Gee Terry, then why didn't you bench his ass for the rest of the 1st period and maybe part of the 2nd?



No one wants to see Doughty fail. That's BS!
You don't bench a player like Doughty because of one play, and a good thing too, considering the game would have been downright embarrassing without him.

You sure are overplaying a bad penalty for a guy who doesn't like seeing Doughty fail...

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11-11-2011, 05:37 PM
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I've been arguing the same thing for weeks, its pointless....as soon as you get paid, people on these boards turn on you. People should go back and read the threads/posts about Kopi after he got his new deal....how much better Statsny is and what not. Also how "Doughty cost the Kings the game"...and yet nothing about the 5 MIN MAJOR.
the 5 min major looked incidental while DD's was just straight moronic.

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You don't bench a player like Doughty because of one play, and a good thing too, considering the game would have been downright embarrassing without him.

You sure are overplaying a bad penalty for a guy who doesn't like seeing Doughty fail...
As others have pointed out, it's not one play. It's not a play where he was trying to do something "special" for the team, it was just selfish.

How else do you hold a player accountable if you don't bench them when they pull a stunt like that?

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