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12-15-2011, 08:48 AM
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Did anyone see if he got hit or hit someone, because I didn't see it during the game.

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12-15-2011, 09:00 AM
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The talk previously in here about not tendering Tender ( ) a contract is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. That would be awful mismanagement. Especially for what you pretty much know he can provide when he's actually in the line-up. Sure, that's be few and far between the last couple years but it's not as if whatever the team were to realistically agree on with Lats is going to hamstring the squad. Not having a spot for him in the top 6 is nonsense as well. Look at the Wild's top six right at this minute. There's injuries every year and that needs to be accounted for as well. With Latendresse's game, he can play on whatever line you need him to. I wouldn't worry about it.

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12-15-2011, 09:40 AM
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Did anyone see if he got hit or hit someone, because I didn't see it during the game.
There's a bit of talk that it was from him laying a hit on a Chicago player. Don't remember who he hit, but it could likely have been the massive blow he laid on the guy right in front of the bench.

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12-15-2011, 09:43 AM
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The problem is that this setback might actually be Lats fault for pushing himself back into things too early.
I don't necessarily blame lats for this. You gotta think he was feeling pressure to step up and help the team that had injuries...

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12-15-2011, 09:49 AM
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You can't really blame anyone for this. Concussions seem to keep appearing up regardless of big hits or not.

My theory: Since teams are so much more aware of concussions now, as soon as a guy has a slight headache they dont take any chances and keep the guy out of the lineup. (I agree with this as you gotta think long term health). In the past, teams would say "its just a headache, he can play". The only time you'd see concussions is if a guy gets knocked silly on the ice.

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12-15-2011, 09:51 AM
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There's a bit of talk that it was from him laying a hit on a Chicago player. Don't remember who he hit, but it could likely have been the massive blow he laid on the guy right in front of the bench.
I think Russo said he thought it was from his hit on Stalberg.

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12-15-2011, 10:06 AM
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Guys, I live in the New York Metro area. All the buzz around the Devils is negative, negative, negative. If they make the playoffs, that might change the outlook, but maybe not.

At the very least Parise will continue the negotiations until after the season. If the Devils are out of the playoffs, Parise is probably as good as gone.

Parise could surprise all of us, but the Devils are not a team on the rise. Their blueline has no talent and their goaltender is nearing retirement.

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12-15-2011, 10:09 AM
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Guys, I live in the New York Metro area. All the buzz around the Devils is negative, negative, negative. If they make the playoffs, that might change the outlook, but maybe not.

At the very least Parise will continue the negotiations until after the season. If the Devils are out of the playoffs, Parise is probably as good as gone.

Parise could surprise all of us, but the Devils are not a team on the rise. Their blueline has no talent and their goaltender is nearing retirement.
The have at least one talent...

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The talk previously in here about not tendering Tender ( ) a contract is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. That would be awful mismanagement. Especially for what you pretty much know he can provide when he's actually in the line-up. Sure, that's be few and far between the last couple years but it's not as if whatever the team were to realistically agree on with Lats is going to hamstring the squad. Not having a spot for him in the top 6 is nonsense as well. Look at the Wild's top six right at this minute. There's injuries every year and that needs to be accounted for as well. With Latendresse's game, he can play on whatever line you need him to. I wouldn't worry about it.
I agree - the guy is only 24. When he's healthy, he is the best power forward this team has ever had. Let him heal, and give him another chance.

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12-15-2011, 11:03 AM
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I believe he is still an RFA, what's his QO?

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12-15-2011, 12:43 PM
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I believe he is still an RFA, what's his QO?
for the current CBA http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26366

a qualifying offer in latendresse's case will be 2.5 million, since the Wild are required to offer him at least a contract equal to his contract this year.

I think the Wild would be wise to give him a qualifying offer at the very least. I want him re-signed 1 more year and hope he can produce/stay healthy that year and earn himself a longer deal with the Wild. I wouldn't mind a 1 year deal with a club option for a 2nd year (or health/production related triggers)

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12-15-2011, 12:47 PM
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I'd let him go to UFA, and offer him a deal then, 2.5 is steep for him and his injuries right now.

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12-15-2011, 12:50 PM
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In addition, to get a feeling for what his RFA rights would likely be worth, here are the compensation values from the last offseason:

The criteria for RFA draft pick compensation in 2011-12 is as follows:

•$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
•$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
•$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
•$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
•$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
•$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
•$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

One would think the Wild would be able to get at least a second round pick for his RFA rights if they were to trade him.

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I'd let him go to UFA, and offer him a deal then, 2.5 is steep for him and his injuries right now.
Not really. With the cap space the Wild will have ($19MM + cap increase from Winnipeg) that cap hit is nothing for a player of his caliber. Even if he only plays 20 games a season, he's probably be worth it at that hit. Besides, the Wild have arbitration rights, and an arbiter would likely give him a lesser award based upon injury risk.

There are teams out there willing to take the risk on him, regardless of injuries. Someone will offer him at the very least a 1-year, $2.5MM deal.

Edit to add: This all assumes the new CBA will resemble the existing one.

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12-15-2011, 12:55 PM
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In addition, to get a feeling for what his RFA rights would likely be worth, here are the compensation values from the last offseason:

The criteria for RFA draft pick compensation in 2011-12 is as follows:

•$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
•$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
•$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
•$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
•$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
•$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
•$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

One would think the Wild would be able to get at least a second round pick for his RFA rights if they were to trade him.
I think it depends on if he comes back this year though. Teams are going to be less likely to trade for him if he doesn't play another game this year because of a concussion.

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12-15-2011, 12:57 PM
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I'd let him go to UFA, and offer him a deal then, 2.5 is steep for him and his injuries right now.
No way. Even if the Wild don't intend to keep latendresse letting him walk without a QO would mean incompetence from management. They will be able to get a pick for him, you don't throw away assets.

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I think it depends on if he comes back this year though. Teams are going to be less likely to trade for him if he doesn't play another game this year because of a concussion.
Have you see what the options are in free agency this season? Here's the quick list of forwards (in reverse 2012 cap hit order) with comments:

Semin - Extremely unreliable, bad reputation
Smyth - 35, probably re-signing in Eddy
Parise - The topic du jour
Rolston - 38 and coming off one of the worst contracts in recent history
Huselius - Probably the next biggest name behind Parise?
Doan
Langkow
Penner -
Hemsky - and his mythical healthy shoulder
Boyes
Selanne - Anaheim or bust
Blake - 38 years old
Avery -
Ruuto
Stoll
Hecht
Jagr - Needs no comment
A. Kostitsyn
Hejduk
Jokinen
Whitney - Is it even theoretically possible he doesn't retire?
Hagman - Didn't Calgary waive him this season?
Kotalik
Grabovski
Hudler - Not even a mother could love a face like that
Arnott
Langenbrunner
Pahlsson
Jones
S. Koivu - Anaheim, Montreal, or bust
Prospal
Samuelsson

I stopped the list at Gui's current salary. There's likely 20 teams looking for a top 6 left wing. Gui can play either side, so it's probably 25-27 teams looking for a top 6 wing in general. Unless it looks like Gui's career is over, he'll garner significant interest if the Wild choose to move his RFA rights.

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Have you see what the options are in free agency this season? Here's the quick list of forwards (in reverse 2012 cap hit order) with comments:

Semin - Extremely unreliable, bad reputation
Smyth - 35, probably re-signing in Eddy
Parise - The topic du jour
Rolston - 38 and coming off one of the worst contracts in recent history
Huselius - Probably the next biggest name behind Parise?
Doan
Langkow
Penner -
Hemsky - and his mythical healthy shoulder
Boyes
Selanne - Anaheim or bust
Blake - 38 years old
Avery -
Ruuto
Stoll
Hecht
Jagr - Needs no comment
A. Kostitsyn
Hejduk
Jokinen
Whitney - Is it even theoretically possible he doesn't retire?
Hagman - Didn't Calgary waive him this season?
Kotalik
Grabovski
Hudler - Not even a mother could love a face like that
Arnott
Langenbrunner
Pahlsson
Jones
S. Koivu - Anaheim, Montreal, or bust
Prospal
Samuelsson

I stopped the list at Gui's current salary. There's likely 20 teams looking for a top 6 left wing. Gui can play either side, so it's probably 25-27 teams looking for a top 6 wing in general. Unless it looks like Gui's career is over, he'll garner significant interest if the Wild choose to move his RFA rights.
It's weird seeing guys like Huselius and Rolston, when I remember the fights over getting them on the Wild.

Let's just say that I am glad the Wild lost those bids, even if it made Gaborik leave. Gaborik leaving allowed us to get Havlat, who allowed us to get Heatley.

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Ruutu or Parise or bust.

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Well to me the choice is obvious, then... Avery or bust!

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I would love to see a Mikko, Saku and Heatley line though

That would leave us with Granlund, Setoguchi and PMB on the second line, and a third line of Johnson/Powe/Latendresse (if he ever comes back) + Brodziak + Clutterbuck.

Ruutu might be a good signing as well. Only problem is, what do we do with Cullen? He obviously fits the second line well but... he is starting to get a bit old and we're really stacked on centers.

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I would love to see a Mikko, Saku and Heatley line though

That would leave us with Granlund, Setoguchi and PMB on the second line, and a third line of Johnson/Powe/Latendresse (if he ever comes back) + Brodziak + Clutterbuck.

Ruutu might be a good signing as well. Only problem is, what do we do with Cullen? He obviously fits the second line well but... he is starting to get a bit old and we're really stacked on centers.
As much as I would kill to have Saku (or Selanne, for that matter), he's been a center his entire career, so it wouldn't really make sense to put him on a line with Mikko. He also said he didn't want to sign here and risk overshadowing his brother (don't think it would actually be a problem at all, but that's what he said). And I get the feeling that as goes Teemu, so goes Saku. And there's no way in hell Selanne would sign here; it's Anaheim (or maaaaybe Winnipeg) or bust for him.

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I keep coming back to this thread thinking maybe there's an update on Lats...

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I keep coming back to this thread thinking maybe there's an update on Lats...
Yeah...

Unfortunately, there's no update yet but I assume he will be placed on the IR list before 2 players being recalled tomorrow.

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Wouldn't be surprised to see this thread make it to a part II. Sounds like Lats is going to be out a while. Hopefully the Wild will resign him. He's been a good team mate.

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