HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Anaheim Ducks
Notices

2012 Draft thread

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
11-27-2011, 07:40 AM
  #101
DuckshaveaRPG
Registered User
 
DuckshaveaRPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: London
Country: United Kingdom
Posts: 829
vCash: 500
Yakupov - Holland - Etem
Filip Forsberg - Holland - Etem
Palmieri - Galchenyuk - Etem
Palmieri - Grigorenko - Etem

DuckshaveaRPG is offline  
Old
11-27-2011, 09:25 AM
  #102
snarktacular
Moderator
Ducks tank is on!
 
snarktacular's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 15,812
vCash: 500
Isn't Palmieri a RW? That's why they brought up Maroon first, even though it was Bonino and Palmieri who were driving that line.

If they want to switch Palmieri or Etem they need to start soon. And do it in the AHL level. Because as we've seen with Lupul, Carlyle isn't the most patient at it.

snarktacular is online now  
Old
11-27-2011, 11:12 AM
  #103
airforceones25
Registered User
 
airforceones25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: California
Country: United States
Posts: 3,256
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by snarktacular View Post
Isn't Palmieri a RW? That's why they brought up Maroon first, even though it was Bonino and Palmieri who were driving that line.

If they want to switch Palmieri or Etem they need to start soon. And do it in the AHL level. Because as we've seen with Lupul, Carlyle isn't the most patient at it.
They both play the RW position. Palmieri is a RH shot while Etem is LH.. Hopefully one of them can make a smooth transition to the left side.. However none of that will be an issue as Yakupov will be our LW for next year.

airforceones25 is offline  
Old
11-27-2011, 12:40 PM
  #104
Ducksgo
#EtemUp
 
Ducksgo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Lakewood CA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,348
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Ducksgo
Quote:
Originally Posted by airforceones25 View Post
They both play the RW position. Palmieri is a RH shot while Etem is LH.. Hopefully one of them can make a smooth transition to the left side.. However none of that will be an issue as Yakupov will be our LW for next year.
Etem is killing it this year, if Carlyle messes up Etems progress to the NHL I'm gonna kill em take it slow like Ryan if he needs it. This player CAN be that Good and perhaps another franchise player in the making along with Yakupov if we get em!!

Ducksgo is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 03:49 PM
  #105
DuckJet
#iamsorry
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 32,894
vCash: 69
So...Holland to Palmieri, over to Yakupov, SCORES! NAIL YAKUPOV!?

Or what about Grigorenko? Mynhldraft has us picking him.


DuckJet is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 04:38 PM
  #106
Kalvinators
Mindholm!!!!
 
Kalvinators's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Latvia
Country: Latvia
Posts: 7,360
vCash: 500
No russians please. They will get into superstar status, get big contracts and eventually wear down.

Seen Ovi, Kovi, even Malkin (injuries). Besides, i believe we`ll be picking around 12th-15th

Kalvinators is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 04:57 PM
  #107
GreatBear
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 298
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalvinators View Post
No russians please. They will get into superstar status, get big contracts and eventually wear down.

Seen Ovi, Kovi, even Malkin (injuries). Besides, i believe we`ll be picking around 12th-15th
Right now I see us picking in the top three in the draft, right down there with Columbus and Carolina. Maybe BB will get the team turned around, but even then I believe that we will be no better than bottom 10.

As for Russians, I agree that all other things being equal, that I would much rather have a North American or Swedish/Finnish player than a Russian. However, if the Russian is clearly superior, then I would probably go with the Russian.

Given the recent history of hockey teams, once they go bad it takes a number of years of drafts to improve the team, so we could have a good pick in the 2013 draft, as well. I shudder to think of having to sit through another season like this one, however.

GreatBear is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 04:59 PM
  #108
DuckshaveaRPG
Registered User
 
DuckshaveaRPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: London
Country: United Kingdom
Posts: 829
vCash: 500
if not Russian you have tio be saying we pick Dumba Forseberg or Reilly right ?

DuckshaveaRPG is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 05:28 PM
  #109
Sean Garrity
MAGNUSIFENT!
 
Sean Garrity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: The Nut
Country: United States
Posts: 8,909
vCash: 500
The Russians that come over and play in NA are different than the ones that stay in RUssia IMO.

Sean Garrity is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 05:47 PM
  #110
Ducksgo
#EtemUp
 
Ducksgo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Lakewood CA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,348
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Ducksgo
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckshaveaRPG View Post
if not Russian you have tio be saying we pick Dumba Forseberg or Reilly right ?
Some CBJ fans see themselves drafting Dumbda over Yakupov or the others. Dumbda being a huge hitter and smarts like fowler makes him very tempting. He's everything in a defenseman teams need. Yakupov can and may drop to us if we draft second.

With our d needs like CBJ, it will be a weird scenario

Ducksgo is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 05:51 PM
  #111
snarktacular
Moderator
Ducks tank is on!
 
snarktacular's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 15,812
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGallINYAface View Post
The Russians that come over and play in NA are different than the ones that stay in RUssia IMO.
Radulov was drafted out of Russia, but started playing in the Q the next year. So KHL flight risk is still present in guys that come over to NA.

That said I'm not too worried about the "Russian Factor." I don't think the KHL is sustainable the way it is, and I'm not sure how much longer it will last.


I like Ovechkin over Malkin. And Yakupov/Grigorenko are often compared to those 2. Yet I'm kind of leaning toward Grigorenko over Yakupov.

snarktacular is online now  
Old
12-05-2011, 06:57 PM
  #112
DuckJet
#iamsorry
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 32,894
vCash: 69
So.....say we're drafting first overall...you'd pick one of:
Murray, Dumba, Galchenyuk (American but technically Russian), Forsberg?

You'd really pass on Yakupov?

DuckJet is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 07:03 PM
  #113
DuckJet
#iamsorry
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 32,894
vCash: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducksgo View Post
Some CBJ fans see themselves drafting Dumbda over Yakupov or the others. Dumbda being a huge hitter and smarts like fowler makes him very tempting. He's everything in a defenseman teams need. Yakupov can and may drop to us if we draft second.

With our d needs like CBJ, it will be a weird scenario
They might even take Grigorenko first. He's on the bubble and lot's of scouts are hyping him a lot.

I think that's a real issue with scouts, when there is an established front-runner, they try to inject too much hype into risers and challengers. It's not an issue that bothers me, I mean if it wasn't for the Gudbranson and Gormley hype, we wouldn't be dazzled by Fowler's amazing play.

I really don't believe Dumba will go first, or even as high as third. He can go anywhere from 4th to 8th really depending on team needs.

And about the Russian thing, I'm more concerned about Grigorenko. Yakupov has been in North America longer, and him and Galchenyuk really want to play in the NHL. At least, that's the vibe I get. Grigorenko...well I haven't seen any interviews, I haven't really seen ANYTHING that could give me a positive or negative vibe.

DuckJet is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 07:06 PM
  #114
DuckJet
#iamsorry
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 32,894
vCash: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckshaveaRPG View Post
if not Russian you have tio be saying we pick Dumba Forseberg or Reilly right ?
Forget about Reilly. I cringe at the thought of a system that looks like

Fowler-Schultz
Vatanen-Reilly
Sbisa-Brookbank/Clark

It'll be like having 4 forwards on the blueline. We already have too many offensive minded defensemen in our system as it is. There's a reason we traded Gardiner.

We draft defense? We respectably pass on Murray and Rielly (unless by some magic we package one of Vatanen and Schultz to get another high draft pick) and pick guys like Dumba and Trouba.

DuckJet is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 07:16 PM
  #115
Ducksgo
#EtemUp
 
Ducksgo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Lakewood CA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,348
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Ducksgo
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckJet View Post
So.....say we're drafting first overall...you'd pick one of:
Murray, Dumba, Galchenyuk (American but technically Russian), Forsberg?

You'd really pass on Yakupov?
I wouldn't, ide still take Yakupov due to Schultz and Vatanen likely one cracking the roster next season. But CBJ may take a defenseman Depending on where they draft. In their draft thread some fans have opinions taking Dumbda first over all.

To the post above me, I would never ever trade Vatanen and Schultz for another high pick. Schultz is blossoming to be the best prospect we have in our system. I think right now Schultz is better than any d prospect in this draft and yes even Dumbda....

Ducksgo is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 07:38 PM
  #116
DuckJet
#iamsorry
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 32,894
vCash: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducksgo View Post
I wouldn't, ide still take Yakupov due to Schultz and Vatanen likely one cracking the roster next season. But CBJ may take a defenseman Depending on where they draft. In their draft thread some fans have opinions taking Dumbda first over all.

To the post above me, I would never ever trade Vatanen and Schultz for another high pick. Schultz is blossoming to be the best prospect we have in our system. I think right now Schultz is better than any d prospect in this draft and yes even Dumbda....
The only reason I'd do that is to balance the defensive style of our prospect system a bit.

Fowler (OD)
Vatanen (OD) -----> top 10 pick ------> Dumba (DD+O) Trouba (DD)
Schultz (OD)
Sbisa (DD)

There is simply no place for that many offensive defensemen. I'm not sold on Schultz's game in his own end, and yes, out of curiosity I started watching Wisconsin games to keep tabs on him. He's somewhat suspect in his own zone. He's not a pylon, but he's not a stud either. Dumba is a defensive machine who can generate offense. Dumba is far more valuable. Not by a whole lot, but players like him are not very common. We're seeing a LOT of players like Fowler (Piertrangelo, Doughty, Murray, Larsson, Rielly, etc.) not enough guys like Dumba. In fact I can't really compare him to a lot of guys. The only one that comes to mind is Pronger. Physical shutdown guy who can dominate offensively.

DuckJet is offline  
Old
12-05-2011, 11:53 PM
  #117
Ducksgo
#EtemUp
 
Ducksgo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Lakewood CA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,348
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Ducksgo
It comes down to preference how you look at our d pairing. If you have watched Schultz then you should know about his numbers this season BEING a defenseman.....rediculous and numbers never lie. Even though Dumbda is defensively gifted with grit ide rather have Schultz on my blueline. Having an actual shot and offense from our blueline is what we lack, bring on the old days of Prongs and Nieds Murray! Woo

Ducksgo is offline  
Old
12-06-2011, 12:13 AM
  #118
Jesus Teemu
Registered User
 
Jesus Teemu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,045
vCash: 500
BB needs another Russian Superstar. How awesome would it be for Yakupov to step into Teemu's shoes?

Jesus Teemu is offline  
Old
12-06-2011, 12:31 AM
  #119
airforceones25
Registered User
 
airforceones25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: California
Country: United States
Posts: 3,256
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalvinators View Post
No russians please. They will get into superstar status, get big contracts and eventually wear down.

Seen Ovi, Kovi, even Malkin (injuries). Besides, i believe we`ll be picking around 12th-15th
You act like these are the only Russians ever...

Bure, Federov, Makarov, Larionov, Datsyuk, Mogilny, Gonchar ..... I'm sure there are more that were good players that averaged close to PPG as well..

All these players have had long productive careers... Because you are Russian doesn't mean you automatically wear down! LOL

airforceones25 is offline  
Old
12-06-2011, 12:39 AM
  #120
bumperkisser
Registered User
 
bumperkisser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,392
vCash: 70
forsberg is apparently supposed to be very good..

bumperkisser is offline  
Old
12-06-2011, 01:05 AM
  #121
imbatman
Registered User
 
imbatman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 581
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckJet View Post
The only reason I'd do that is to balance the defensive style of our prospect system a bit.

Fowler (OD)
Vatanen (OD) -----> top 10 pick ------> Dumba (DD+O) Trouba (DD)
Schultz (OD)
Sbisa (DD)

There is simply no place for that many offensive defensemen. I'm not sold on Schultz's game in his own end, and yes, out of curiosity I started watching Wisconsin games to keep tabs on him. He's somewhat suspect in his own zone. He's not a pylon, but he's not a stud either. Dumba is a defensive machine who can generate offense. Dumba is far more valuable. Not by a whole lot, but players like him are not very common. We're seeing a LOT of players like Fowler (Piertrangelo, Doughty, Murray, Larsson, Rielly, etc.) not enough guys like Dumba. In fact I can't really compare him to a lot of guys. The only one that comes to mind is Pronger. Physical shutdown guy who can dominate offensively.
youre confusing physicality with defensive play, Im not saying I wouldnt like Dumba, depending on where we pick, but he's not exactly known for his shutdown ability.

imbatman is online now  
Old
12-06-2011, 01:49 AM
  #122
Ducksgo
#EtemUp
 
Ducksgo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Lakewood CA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,348
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Ducksgo
Quote:
Originally Posted by imbatman View Post
youre confusing physicality with defensive play, Im not saying I wouldnt like Dumba, depending on where we pick, but he's not exactly known for his shutdown ability.
Good point

Ducksgo is offline  
Old
12-06-2011, 01:16 PM
  #123
Sojourn
Global Moderator
Where's the kaboom?
 
Sojourn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 23,379
vCash: 50
Murray will likely be the best defenseman out of the draft. If Yakupov is available though, Anaheim picks him. You just can't afford to pass on a player of his caliber, or his competitiveness. He looks like Crosby-lite out there.

Sojourn is offline  
Old
12-06-2011, 01:54 PM
  #124
Fighter
Fighting my way
 
Fighter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Trieste, Italy
Country: Italy
Posts: 6,805
vCash: 500
I'm also worried about russian players attitude and tendency to bolt for Russia whenever they can.

Yakupov seems a can't miss prospect but I wouldn't be that disappointed to have the 2nd or 3rd overall and pick a big canadian kid, in a traditional Ducks fashion.

Fighter is offline  
Old
12-06-2011, 05:08 PM
  #125
DuckJet
#iamsorry
 
DuckJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Funkytown
Country: Kazakhstan
Posts: 32,894
vCash: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighter View Post
I'm also worried about russian players attitude and tendency to bolt for Russia whenever they can.

Yakupov seems a can't miss prospect but I wouldn't be that disappointed to have the 2nd or 3rd overall and pick a big canadian kid, in a traditional Ducks fashion.
I don't get that vibe from Yakupov at all. He's followed the NHL since childhood. He wants to play in NA

DuckJet is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:22 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.